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Hofstra Return to America East / AE Football Rumblings

Mar
28
2009
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Category: Atlantic 10 Expansion & Realignment, CAA Expansion & Realignment, Featured News

For years now, there have been rumblings from Hofstra fans about leaving the CAA. The rationale being that since joining the CAA in 2002, the athletic programs have suffered from being one of the only northern teams in a predominantly southern conference.

The ideal move would be to the Atlantic 10, but that is not an real option as the 14 team conference has little desire to expand. But over the past few years, the idea of a return to the America East hasn’t seemed as far a stretch as once thought.

A recent article in Newsday is planting the seed for even more people in the region.

While it’s doubtful such a move would ever happen, one has to wonder about Northeastern.

The Boston school was brought to the CAA, instead of rival Boston University who was then a power in the America East conference. Why? It was all part of the interesting “power” play by the CAA to take the sponsorship rights from the Atlantic 10. At the time, the A10 Football conference was comprised of America East members UNH, Maine and Northeastern, with Atlantic 10 members UMass, URI, and Richmond, Big East member Villanova, as well as CAA members JMU, Hofstra, Delaware, W&M; and Towson. In order for the CAA to take what they felt was a coveted sponsorship (and the playoff autobid), they needed 6 members. So despite Northeastern being a less successful athletic program, their sponsorship of football made them the candidate.

Fast forward 4 years and the CAA is clearly a southern conference. Georgia St. was added to appease UNCW who watched 3 northern schools added in 2002 and Northestern being considered as the next candidate (despite Goergia St. actually being farther away than W&M; and ODU are to them). Old Dominion and Georgia St. are set to start football programs and will participate in the CAA.

So the bloated football conference will now have 8 all sports CAA members, 3 A10 members and 2 America East members and Villanova of the Big East. Yes, that’s 14 teams.

It’s a safe assumption that had the CAA worked harder with Old Dominion and even then expansion candidate Georgia St. to finalize football plans, the Northeastern inviation card would have never had to be played. The CAA would have 7 all-sports members, 1 more than they would need to sponsor the sport and hold a NCAA Football Playoff autobid.

So looking to the future…what if Hofstra returned to the America East?

In 1997, when the Yankee Conference was to fold, the America East turned down the football sponsorship. The A10 then claimed it. The refusal by the America East to sponsor football was a trigger in the future defection by Delaware. In 1997, America East schools playing football included Delaware,UNH, Maine, Northeastern and the Boston University (Towson had yet to upgrade to the same level of scholorships).

But with schools cutting sports programs due to economic concerns, the idea of less travel might be appealing enough for a new football conference by the America East. UNH, Maine and Stony Brook all sponsor football. Albany has considered going through an upgrade. A return of Hofstra and Northeastern would be 6 schools, enough to sponsor the sport and gain an automatic bid. Such a move would likely trigger defections by nearby schools UMass and URI. Even potential upgrades like Central Connecticut St. are worth keeping on the radar.

CAA Football Split: A (2) Football Conference Scenario:
America East: Maine, UNH, Northeastern, Albany, Hofstra, Stony Brook, *UMass, *URI
CAA: Delaware, Towson, JMU, W&M;, ODU, Georgia St., *Richmond, *Villanova

The overall America East conference would look as such:
Albany, Binghamton, Hofstra, Stony Brook, Boston University, Northeastern, Hartford, Vermont, UNH, Maine and UMBC.

As it is now, the CAA football conference has agreed to remain at 14 once ODU and Georgia St. join, rather than split. But would Hofstra ever consider a return to the America East? Perhaps not. But the fans are thinking it. The media is thinking it. Perhaps one day the administration will think about it.


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  • stuball888

    Matt sorry if I came on too strong but you have to understand that we have been puting up with that Marcus character for many years. Since newsday is the only paper giving Hofstra any coverage at all, that is all we have. he has been singing the Virtues of his Alma mater Stony Brook for years even dsaying that Stony Brook is on the way to passing Hofstra in their sports programs. I know understna dwhat you meant which would only be mens basketball and football. Also understand that we went over to the CAA not only for football (AE dropped the ball on that one 8 years ago) but for an all-sports conference. If you look at Hofstras sports teams, the CAA is the best fit for them. The AE doesnt have enough teams that compete is the rest of our sports. Like I said in a previous post, A-10, Big east and AE not the answer for now. Down the pike who knows. BTW look where Stony Brook is for football, the Big South. Talk about a southern conference.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/03716145501337728000 Matt Peloquin

    Wow, Stuball…do you feel the need to attack every article or message board post that DARES take a hypothetical look at things? If you don’t like reading others people hypothetical ideas, I would recommend not reading them.

    And you’re right, I should have clarified that when I speak of success in sports, I’m always referring to revenue producing sports. There is general understanding that a correlation exists between success and revenue. There are some exceptions in FCS football like in 1998, when UMass had a number of road games enroute to the National Championship, paid to have the band travel, and did not turn a profit that year. But that is besides the point since at a mid-major level like the CAA, mens basketball is the revenue producing sport. So the one sport that actually matters to the athletic departments bottom-line, basketball, has suffered. And that is a fact I’d gladly use as a component in a HYPOTHETICAL look at FUTURE POSSIBILITIES for schools such as Hofstra.

  • stuball888

    Matt these are your words, since 2002 Hofstras athletic programs have suffered being one of the only northern schools in a southern league. We have 24 CAA titles overall in those 7 plus years. Where have our atletic programs suffered. Mens basketball yes all others 18 others are either better off or the same as they were in the AE. I understand it is only your opinion but dont let Steve marcus opinion sway you. Take a visit to the campus since the AE days a see the difference. I understand it is speculation but there is no way we are going back to the AE.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/03716145501337728000 Matt Peloquin

    stu, I have a feeling you didn’t even read what I wrote and only read the Newsday article. Why do i think this?

    * This is not some breaking news alert that Hofstra is in discussions with another league. Upon reading, that should be crystal clear.

    * Look at the exact words I used:

    “the IDEA of a return to the America East hasn’t seemed as far a stretch as once thought.”

    “While it’s DOUBTFUL such a move would ever happen…”

    “…WHAT IF Hofstra returned to the America East?”

    This is a speculation piece that so clearly distinguishes itself as that. There are only a handful of Hofstra references and the bulk of them are included in the comment I’m leaving.

    While I greatly appreciate your feedback, it’s important that one reads the article they comment on rather than just looking at a title and commenting away.

    And the chances of me speaking with any Hofstra admins won’t be for a long time, when Hofstra improves their image (or even restores it to where it was 7 years ago) and becomes a legitimate candidate for a conference “upgrade”. As it stands now, the CAA, as a fine regional league, does not have a member that would be involved in a “step up”, only lateral moves like the AE, SoCon, and Patriot.

  • stuball888

    Matt ther is no way we get into the A-10 unless the majority of of A-10 landscpe changes. We are a non-sectarian private school. Only two of the twelve in the A-10 fit that category. the A-10 footprint is as large or larger than the CAA. The patriot league will not happen until we can be academically on par with a Lehigh or Lafayette. Big East will never happen so long as St Johns is in the league. As a charter member they will veto our petition to enter the league. Lets look at the AE what league is its premier sport. Football? basketball? Hockey ( only if Hockey east and AE combine). Lets not talk about Lax, Softball or wrestling (some of the better Hofstra sports program. The CAA is where we are staying. Now Matt in fairness to you, Did you talk to Jack hayes our AD. Did you talk to the coaches, players or fans themselves . I would say no. If you did this article probably would not have been wtitten.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/03716145501337728000 Matt Peloquin

    stubal…the only reference I made was saying it was an article that was potentially planting the seed for others in the region. As a Hofstra fan and member of CAAzone, you know as well as I do that there are fans who are unhappy in the CAA. It’s their right to feel this way. Hofstra is as long a shot for the A10 as you could get right now. But if there were benefits in an AE return, I’m sure it would be explored. Is that likely? No. But lets just say that there is a better chance that Hofstra would explore a return to the AE then say, Virginia Tech to to return to the Big East. It’s worth looking at what such a scenario would be like.

  • stuball888

    Matt why are you listening to that manure being spread by Stony brook alum Steve marcus. Please do some research before you put your name on this article. Steve has been dusting off this old article for four years now. Hofstra is going to be in the CAA for a long time. Bet the ranch on it. BTW-If you did your research you would know that Hofstra has been in the CAA longer than they were in the AE. Why go back to a league they were unhappy with. They dropped the ball on football a long time ago.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/08141427447547237948 Michael

    If travel budget were the motivating issue, then Hofstra would have never left the American East in the first place. It has to be more expensive to send volleyball, men’s soccer, etc. to Richmond for a Tuesday night game than to Hartford for a similar contest.

    Obviously, travel budget nor missed class time really that important to Hofstra or most Division I schools.

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