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Feb
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2011
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There’s been a number of rumors floating around of late to share: Charlotte to CAA (football only) & App St. to CUSA.

Note, that these are just rumors. But I’ve heard them and have now seen multiple sites discuss them as well.

So here’s the breakdown:

Charlotte & CAA Football:

charlotte Conference RumorsThe CAA is in an interesting upcoming position. The conference took over football sponsorship from the Atlantic 10, when they brought in Northeastern as a full member. Go figure that Northeastern has since dropped football, along with CAA member Hofstra. But with ODU and Georgia St. slated to join CAA Football, there will still be 6 full CAA members to maintain the brand.

But the CAA could be set for some transitions. Villanova is set to join the Big East as a football member, all they need to do is say “yes”. Fellow CAA Football member UMass, is hoping to get a football-only invitation to join the MAC, the conference home of it’s fellow A10 member and rival Temple.  Both schools seem poised to leave sooner than later, which would bring down the caa Conference Rumorsmembership numbers. There are also concerns that with URI moving to the NEC and if UMass left for the MAC, that the final remaining northeast schools, UNH and Maine might seek other options. UNH has been considered, albeit a longshot, as a potential FBS upgrade as well…but would seem to be without a conference home. But there does exist the chance that UNH and Maine, if isolated with Towson (MD) as the closest football conference rivals, could consider a minor downgrade to join the more regional NEC. There also exists the chance that schools in the America East for it’s other sports such as UNH, Maine, Albany and Stony Brook, could one day form a new FCS conference, perhaps with other regional schools such as URI. Such a move would still require a minimum of 6 schools, so it would likely require the sponsoring conference, like the America East, to pull some sort of a coup by bringing in football schools such as CCSU as full members.

But as for the CAA, just with Villanova and UNH tilting towards leaving, it does open some potential membership holes.

But Charlotte, despite it’s ideal location in relation to the CAA, is an odd choice.

Sure, you have ODU, William & Mary and Georgia St. nearby, as well as JMU not far north from Charlotte. But Charlotte has made it clear that they indent to upgrade to FBS. Their ultimate goal would be joining schools like WVU, USF, Louisville, Cincinnati, Pitt, etc in the Big East. But that would likely require the Big East to split and then opt to expand from the eventual 10 number to 12. It might even take something more radical like a split and then defections by schools such as Syracuse, UConn, Rutgers, etc to make room for Charlotte in the Big East.

Charlotte would also have it’s eyes on a return to CUSA, joining members such as Memphis, ECU, UCF, UAB, Houston and others.

But first things first, Charlotte needs to field a team, find success at the FCS level within it’s own community, and then impress a conference to invite them to FBS, a prerequisite to upgrading to FBS.

So if the school is already planning to leave, why would the CAA invite them? It would seem that if the CAA does formally invite Charlotte for football-only, it would simply fill a membership spot in the present. But it might also be a way to impress Charlotte enough so that if their FBS aspirations don’t happen, then maybe the school would move it’s other sports from the A10 to the nearby CAA.

Time will tell if Charlotte has indeed been offered CAA football membership and if they accept. But it would appear that Charlotte, in need of a temporary FCS home, would jump at the chance to join a conference at the level of the CAA….and build rivalries with schools such as JMU, ODU, GA State.

Appalachian St. and CUSA:

appst Conference RumorsThe idea of Appalachian St. in CUSA is one that has always made sense. With such a strong Texas/West presence since the departures of USF, Louisville and Cincinnati, the remaining eastern CUSA schools such as UCF, ECU and Marshall have long desired more eastern schools. This year, the CUSA basketball tournament is in El Paso. If you’re ECU, UCF or Marshall, you can rule out any portion of your fan base making that road trip.

For the past 6 months, we’ve heard various reports of CUSA “exploring” different membership ideas. These included TCU cusa Conference Rumorsjoining for non-football sports if the Big East had only extended a football invitation. It also includes preliminary discussions with Temple about joining. There have even been reports that CUSA has at some level, considered less popular options such as bringing in both Temple and it’s rival, UMass.

But the CUSA options don’t stop there.

There have been reports that despite the lower TV revenue, they have considered expansion to 16 schools, perhaps with some of the schools just mentioned, as well as other potential upgrades such as JMU, Delaware, and new WAC invitees UTSA and Texas St. And there is always North Texas, whom many think would be the top CUSA candidate, as well as LA Tech, the WAC school that has long wanted to join CUSA.

And we can’t forget about the potential CUSA/MWC merger ideas to expand to 20 when the MWC lost Utah and BYU. That eventual turned to discussions about perhaps joining TV forces (which is no longer an option) or a potential BCS “play-in” game between the CUSA and MWC champions.

So one thing is for sure…CUSA is considering all it’s options, to be in a better position than they were in 2004 following the departures of Louisville, Cincinnati and USF.

And it appears that Appalachian St. is a very real option for CUSA. But it would take Appalachian St. opting to upgrade to FBS first.

But it does mean that either CUSA expects to lose members and need replacements (such as UCF or Houston to the Big East) or they are thinking outside the box to expand to 13-16 members.

Perhaps Charlotte too could be an option for any of these scenarios.

Southwest Conference Revival?

swc Conference RumorsThe last rumor is in regards to the very entity of Conference USA. And this rumor seems to have the least amount of legs.

The western presence in CUSA has certainly changed the makeup of CUSA. The change has created some tensions with the eastern schools as each one has made it clear they would prefer to be in the Big East. The western schools have made less noise, perhaps knowing that they are less likely to join the Big 12 than an eastern school is to join the Big East. The eastern schools have long wanted a stronger easter presence, and the western schools seem to have the power to make that happen…in a couple ways.

Sure, they could expand to 14 by bringing in Appalachian St. and say Temple (or Charlotte). The conference could then split into two regional divisions:

East: Temple, Marshall, ECU, Appalachian St., UCF, Memphis, UAB
West: USM, Tulane, Tulsa, Houston, SMU, Rice, UTEP

But the western schools could also pull a more daring move: leave Conference USA.

Some rumors exist that Rice and SMU, former Southwest Conference members own the name “Southwest Conference”. And a minor revival could be a real option. Depending on the ultimate goals of such a radical move, membership could the same 7 “West” schools just mentioned, as well as other potential schools such as North Texas, UTSA, Texas St., New Mexico St. and LA Tech.

But due to the radical nature of such a move, one can see why it seems the least likely of the hot conference realignment rumors.

With such a change, these schools would be handing over the name “Conference USA” to the remaining members, likely to be UCF, Memphis, ECU, Marshall and UAB. These schools would likely be attempt to retain USM as the 6th member. Schools such as Appalachian St., Temple, Charlotte, JMU, ODU, UMass, Delaware and others would become potential targets.

So in many ways, the only way for a new east-coast FBS conference to form for all the potential upgrades like Appalachian St., UMass, JMU, ODU, Delaware, and Charlotte, would be for CUSA to go through radical change.

But the result would be the same: an FBS conference of larger state schools in the Big East/ACC footprint:

UMass, Temple, Delaware, JMU, Marshall, ECU, ODU
UCF, Appalachian St., Charlotte, UCF, Memphis, UAB, USM

Rumors exist and at times in this field, they come true. But thus far, all (3) seem like stretches. If I were a betting man and chose sports over playing casino online, I’d think that Charlotte to the CAA on a temporary basis seems the strongest to come to fruition.


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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Stroud-David/1683393806 Stroud David

    There seems to be some missing pieces, Matt. There are some things to consider. The issue with the MAC. They want to get a stronger conference for football and basketball. How can they do that? Try and lure to keep Temple and add more eastern schools, and deny the CUSA and Southwest conference from getting the schools.The list you have about the eastern schools seems to be on their radar with other schools. I do think when they get U. Mass. for all sports, they could get other schools in the footprint like Fordham who are adding scholerships and by the time they are fully 1A ready, the scholerships are there, Stony Brook is another, Delaware is one, Richmond is another, Old Dominion with strong in both sports, James Madison, VCU is another one with them exploring about adding football, UNC-Charlotte and could be Youngstown State finally. Others still in the plan like Western Kentucky, middle Tennessee State and Northern iowa could be potential members.

    If the split do happened in the CUSA, the CUSA could take some of the Sun Belt teams like Troy state, Florida atlantic, Florida International and maybe Middle Tennessee State. These teams seems to win their bowl games. Another team that have not been mentioned is D2 North Alabama which could bring a SEC style plays which could help get the conference better with a Bowdon as a head couch. their style could be compare with the four schools I mentioned and the Sun Belt teams not mentioned who did beat SEC and ACC schools in football, or came close. Both Georgia State and North Alabama could bring SEC styles, and could be a very good rivalry games.

    As for what I mentioned for the MAC? The schools they are looking at are schools that have good teams in sports, and/or in a bigger audience target for veiwership. Richmond, Fordham (NYC), U. Mass. (Boston), Temple (Philly), VCU(richmond), and so forth. CUSA can do the same with teams like Georgia state(Atlanta), Florida International(Miami), Florida Atlantic, Troy(Montgomery) North Alabama(Florence), jacksonville State, UNCC, Georgia southern, Appalachian state.

    Plus, if they want some viewership for games? There are many 1AA schools in big towns like Tenn.-Chattanooga. Like I am saying is that all conference should look outside the box about quality of games, not quantity. Teams in a better footprint is better than outside the footprint. Look who have been the best two conferences the last ten years? SEC and the Big 12. The Big 10 have been subpar teams in play and have been very weak. It was a big mistake to add Penn,. State. The big East have been weak with adding South Florida. USA Conference been weak with the east/west schools. The MAC have been weak with Buffalo and Temple being added. MWC and WAC have been strong overall from top to bottom which they never have been credited and been called weak. The PAC 10 is weak with the north and south schools. Now, the best option for the CUSA is to split, and reformed with the two new conferences to fill in.

  • Michael in Indy

    For the AQ conferences, expanding beyond 12 teams requires an enormous financial incentive to be worthwhile. Some way or another, each new team would need to add to the conference coffers an amount above and beyond the average revenue is already receiving; expansion isn’t done so that everyone can merely break even. A two-division, 14-team conference on an 8-game conference schedule in football would mean every team misses 5 teams within the league, and teams from opposite divisions would only play each other twice every seven years. With 9 games, everyone would still miss four teams a year and play any given team from the opposite division an average of just 3 times every 7 years. This creates problems not just with some teams having significantly harder schedules than others, but also with some teams going many years without playing teams their fans like to see play. (For example, Wisconsin would be extremely upset if it suddenly could play Iowa or Michigan only 2 or 3 times in a decade, especially if expansion only netted them a couple million dollars in extra TV money.)

    I’ve long viewed the idea of going beyond 12 for other conferences the same way since there’s no new boost from a championship game. Plus, the 16-team WAC was a disaster. But for C-USA, going to 14 teams might make sense. The new TV deals, which are worth roughly $14M/year for the league, will yield an average of $1.167M per team. Even if the conference would be unable to renegotiate one dime in additional revenue by adding 2 new teams, going to 14 teams would cost each school only $167,000 a year. That amount could be recouped by any member school because its teams from all sports would be traveling to the opposite division fewer times a year. And unlike the Big Ten, ACC, and Pac-12, few C-USA fanbases have much attachment to the idea of playing any certain team from the opposite division, aside perhaps from playing basketball against the league’s premier program, Memphis.

    I do not think Temple is a viable option. MAC football is a bit lower in quality, but that might be good for Temple. A-10 basketball is a better league with more familiar rivals and much more travel-friendly geography.

    Louisiana Tech would not want to hear this, but it would probably make more sense for everyone if Southern Miss (or maybe Memphis) was moved to the West Division while 2 or 3 new members, depending on whether UCF bolts, were added to the East. Besides, USM and Memphis are closer to more Western members than Eastern members. C-USA expansion would mostly be about reducing travel costs, which is needed far more by the East members.

    That reduces the viable candidates to those located between USM/Memphis on the West, Marshall on the North, and ECU in the East. Specifically, App State, WKU, MTSU, Troy, FIU, and FAU.

    App State brings the most in terms of help for Marshall and ECU, attendance, financial investment in football, and arguably on-the-field ability. WKU would be a slightly better choice than MTSU or Troy. Its football program is clearly inferior, but WKU could command far more attention for basketball than MTSU or Troy could for football.

    FIU would bring a larger student body and a larger market than any other candidate. It should only be added, though, if UCF leaves.

    If the league does expand to 14, my prediction is the divisions would be comprised this way:
    West: UTEP, Tulsa, SMU, Houston, Rice, Tulane, and Southern Miss.
    East: Memphis, UAB, WKU, Marshall, ECU, App State, and UCF/FIU.

  • http://collegesportsinfo.com/?fcsite=07531349300966438706&fcprofile=11081225523814691856 Trey Kalmus

    A Southwest Conference split would be horrible for the Texas area schools, the eastern schools raise the profile of all the western CUSA schools far more than the WAC/Sunbelt schools ever could. The only way I see a SWC is if the Big East gets raided and they in turn raid CUSA for Marshall, UCF, ECSU, and Memphis so the SWC schools cut ties with the dead weight and extra travel expense of the East. Even then I see the Texas quad of UTEP, Houston, Rice and SMU joining the Mountain West. If the MW took the 4 Texas school plus San Jose St and Utah St then they’d be at 16. MWC Divisions could be…

    West-Hawaii, SJSU , SD St, Fresno St, UNLV, Nevada, Boise St, Utah St
    East-Rice, Houston, SMU, UTEP, NM, CO St, Air Force, Wyoming

    Also assuming the Big East is on deathwatch I wouldn’t be shocked to find Houston and SMU grab and invite to join TCU, then I could see Rice and the WAC, Sunbelt, and Southland upgrade schools forming a new Southwest Conference.

    UTEP, Tulsa, North Texas, Texas St, UTSA, Rice, Lamar, Sam Houston St, SFA, Arkansas St, LA Tech, ULM, McNeese St, ULL, Tulane, and So Miss (or NM St)

  • http://collegesportsinfo.com/?fcsite=07531349300966438706&fcprofile=07695112671548975356 Michael

    Why not eliminate the two divisions and be done with it? The division has become ludicrous. Texas, Ohio State, and Michigan out spend the entire CUSA and then some on football. Either strengthen and enforce the I-A/I-AA division or get rid of it.

  • http://collegesportsinfo.com/?fcsite=07531349300966438706&fcprofile=10305030939827057967 Nathan Brice

    If I have learned something over the past couple of years, it is that you never say never. FCS football is not very stable. Many schools could look to make the jump to FBS given that so many schools are moving to bigger conferences. It will remain interesting for quite some time.

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