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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:09 pm 
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Fresno St. Alum wrote:
Will they tell Hawaii to come in as a full member, 15 sucks for basketball. They gonna add a bball, all sports member like Denver or BYU :lol: I hope Hawaii is on board w/ being full member.


Gonna be on ESPN Hawaii in a bit to talk about merge, etc, based on Memphis move.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:26 pm 
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Fresno St. Alum wrote:
Will they tell Hawaii to come in as a full member, 15 sucks for basketball. They gonna add a bball, all sports member like Denver or BYU :lol: I hope Hawaii is on board w/ being full member.


Gonna be on ESPN Hawaii in a bit to talk about merge, etc, based on Memphis move.


give me the cliff's notes on who goes to the B12 who goes to the BE and if Hawaii is all in or not. Also who's #12 for fb in the BE if/when UL leaves. AFA? Temple? Nova?

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Brett McMurphy @McMurphyCBS: Sources tell @CBSSports Memphis accepts offer to join Big East, announcement Wednesday

http://brett-mcmurphy.blogs.cbssports.c ... w/29532522

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 6:01 pm 
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So when will we hear Louisville to the B12?

Has your boy said what the B12(Texas) has decided? :lol:

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:58 am 
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Fresno St. Alum wrote:
So when will we hear Louisville to the B12?

Has your boy said what the B12(Texas) has decided? :lol:


Louisville likely public once the wVU precedent is resolved. Thing is, if the newcomers all join for the 2013 season, then the Big East can't use a "conference membership numbers" issue. So if Memphis, Houston, UCF, SMU, Boise St., SDSU all join in 2013, then the Big East can lose WVU and even Louisville with no problems. Same goes for Pitt and Syracuse. Means 6 join while 4 leave = +2. And then Navy joins shortly after.

Once wVU deal is final, it should clear things up.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:02 pm 
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ECU and Marshall are becoming increasingly isolated.

PAC and B1G (as long as Notre Dame stays put) seem content at 12.

So what future movement looks likely ?

If the Big XII goes to 11 with Louisville, one might assume they would go t o 12.

I still think ACC would lay out better with 2 more additions in North (and let them un-do the zipper).
UConn and Rutgers would be ideal.

At this point, the BE looks VERY MUCH like current CUSA + MWC. If we assume the BCS is replaced by 4-game playoff and no AQ's
does BE FB earn anything more than CUSA FB would earn today ?

At that point, the BE is Notre Dame, 7 Catholic BB schools, and a cheerry-picked group of CUSA + MWC schools.
Does Notre Dame decide to abandon that for something with more cache ? They would at least think about it....
That might trigger the BE FB/BB split....

If that were to happen, I think we would see some consolidation....

Maybe the BE FB only members out west (Boise / SDSU) would go back to the MWC / CUSA West, and the BE would pick up eastern schools like
UMass, Temple, ECU, Marshall as all-sports members.

If CUSA East goes after any Sun-Belt schools, I see them looking to the WAC for replacements (NMSU, 3 Texas newbies).

WAC may become BB only conference wiht UVU as a member....


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Merger talk from ESPN
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story ... ource-says

UTEP blog on CUSA/MWC merger
http://www.minerrush.com/2012/2/8/27847 ... heating-up

Temple may replace Memphis is CUSA
http://brett-mcmurphy.blogs.cbssports.c ... 2/34753656

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How is a CUSA/MWC merger any different than what the Big East has already done?


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I thinking that C-USA may be better off by trying to add the best of the MWC, Sun Belt, Temple and possibly Louisiana Tech. Smaller schools traveling coast to coast can get pricey. Fresno State vs. Marshall or Nevada vs. ECU would expensive enough for football but even less fiscally responsible for revenue sports.

C-USA's 8 plus Wyoming, Colorado State, Temple, North Texas, Louisiana Tech, Appalachian State, FIU, FAU may save money by setting up travel partners and avoiding coast to coast travel for an all sports league.

Note, I would have included Air Force but now expect them to replace Louisville and leave a weakened MWC.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 6:17 pm 
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Temple moving to CUSA / MWC would be absurd for the Owls.

Basketball is their meal ticket and the upgrade in football isn't going to lead to significant enough revenue to make the move.

Since the Big East Raid of 2005, the remaining C-USA/MWC teams have 10 total NCAA MBB bids in six seasons. The A10 has 12 bids in the last four seasons.

Since the formation of the MWC, the A-10 has 31 bids to 25 by the remaining CUSA/MWC group. (And the A-10 has 25 NCAA wins to their 17).

But looking at these numbers give a false sense of competitiveness by the CUSA/MWC group.

#1 - The A-10 played for one auto-bid (and their numbers don't include Charlotte/Saint Louis in C-USA).

The remaining CUSA/MWC merged teams had THREE auto-bids to play for at times (CUSA, MWC; plus the WAC for Fresno/Nevada/Tulsa/Rice/UTEP).

Just going year-by-year at RPI/at-larges, you see five bids earned by the group where they were their tourney champ, got a 12/13 seed when someone else within the CUSA/MWC group won THEIR tournament and had a better RPI.

#2 - Of the at-larges, another four bids came basically because their RPIs were high due to the success of Memphis, SDSU, BYU, etc. Who are gone. (Not to mention another 3 in the OLD C-USA days).

Do UNLV (#48 RPI) and UTEP (12 seed) get at-larges in 2010 without BYU/SDSU and Memphis on their schedules?
Does UAB (#32 RPI) get an at-large in 2006 without playing #4 Memphis THREE TIMES and beating them once?
Does Air Force (#50 RPI) get an at-large in 2005 without wins over BYU and SDSU? Their best win without was #78 in the RPI?


Temple would be moving from a conference that gets three bids every single year to a conference that might not get two.

The MWC/CUSA group has three Sweet 16s since 2000 combined. Xavier has three in the last four seasons. The A-10 has four ELITE EIGHTS in that span and eight Sweet 16s.


Then there's the money. Is the move from the A10/MAC to the CUSA/MWC really that significant financially?

The total CUSA/MWC combined pay out an average of $1.18 mil per school, per year. Those deals were negotiated WITH Boise State, TCU, Houston, Memphis, UCF, and SMU in the leagues.

They're probably getting half that in the A10/MAC now.

But they'd be walking away from at least THIRTY NCAA units accrued over the last few years NCAA appearances/wins, which is probably around $7 million.


Here's what makes the most sense:
CUSA division adds Florida International and Florida Atlantic.
MWC division adds Utah St OR San Jose State
UTEP slides to the MWC
Temple joins the CUSA division for football only.

20 teams in football; 18 in all sports.

MWC: UNLV, Fresno State, Nevada, New Mexico, Wyoming, Colorado State, Air Force, UTEP, SJSU/USU, (Hawaii FB only)
CUSA: Marshall, ECU, FIU, FAU, UAB, So Miss, Tulane, Rice, Tulsa (Temple FB only)

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seanbo wrote:
tkalmus wrote:


I thinking that C-USA may be better off by trying to add the best of the MWC, Sun Belt, Temple and possibly Louisiana Tech. Smaller schools traveling coast to coast can get pricey. Fresno State vs. Marshall or Nevada vs. ECU would expensive enough for football but even less fiscally responsible for revenue sports.

C-USA's 8 plus Wyoming, Colorado State, Temple, North Texas, Louisiana Tech, Appalachian State, FIU, FAU may save money by setting up travel partners and avoiding coast to coast travel for an all sports league.

Note, I.would have included Air Force but now expect them to replace Louisville and leave a weakened MWC.


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They lost a Florida school and two Texas schools. I think the best move for CUSA would be:

North Texas
Florida Atlantic
Florida International

and a 12th. I think you ask UNLV first, then Temple, and when they say no, you look at either Buffalo or Troy.

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Article out of Greenville with comments from ECU AD regarding BE raiding C-USA again and C-USA/MWC merger talks at http://www.reflector.com/sports/ecu/ecu ... ove-906429


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Article out of Birmingham with comments from UAB AD and C-USA Commish regarding MWC/C-USA merger situation at http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012 ... e_fut.html


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My guess

Big 12 takes Louisville and stops (for now), Big East puts the full court press on Air Force who joins as the 4th football only member keeping the BE’s precious 8fb/8nonfb balance, and if the alliance continues on UTEP will slide over to the MWC side while Temple (best available non AQ school not named BYU) joins the CUSA side.

Then in a year or so after the dust settles, if the Big 12 decides to expand again they'll either sort out the issues with BYU and everyone stands pat, or they poach Cinncy (or possibly Rutgers) and the BE grabs ECU (or Temple) and CUSA reloads with LA Tech (or UNT)

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w/ your UL to the Big 12, AFA to the BE scenario. If MtUSA takes Temple it will be for fb only so they will have 16 fb, 14 all sports.

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