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UAB
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EAST:
UCONN
Rutgers
WVU
ECU
Cincinnati
Louisville
UCF
USF
Marshall

WEST:
Memphis
UAB
USM
Tulane
Tulsa
SMU
Rice
UTEP
Houston

This would be my 6th AQ conference


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If ECU and UCF get an invite to the Big East then CUSA needs to respond and solidify its footprint adding MTSU, Troy, LA Tech, and NM St would help pair them along with Memphis, UAB, Tulane, and UTEP. Obviously Houston and SMU are their premeir teams left in the conference so if they get poached UNT, TX St and UTSA would be great additions.

At the end of the day Marshall should be trying to join the Big East or see if they could rejoin the MAC (possible with Western Kentucky) they just don't belong in a new version of the SWC.

New CUSA:
East: UAB, Troy, MTSU, Memphis, So Miss, Tulane, LA Tech
West: Rice, UTSA, TX St, UNT, Tulsa, UTEP, NMSU

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I dont' think they need to respond until everything shakes out with the Big East. Because if UL/WVu leave alone, then it's hard to think that UCf/ECU would go through with a move...since the Big East would be hurting. And if UConn/Rutgers left, wow, all of a sudden the proposed CUSA split would be real: Cincy, Memphis, USF, UCF, ECU, etc

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Article out of West Virginia discussing proposed C-USA/MWC umbrella FB conference at http://www.dailymail.com/Sports/201110113411


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seanbo wrote:
footballgod wrote:
EAST:
UCONN
Rutgers
WVU
ECU
Cincinnati
Louisville
UCF
USF
Marshall

WEST:
Memphis
UAB
USM
Tulane
Tulsa
SMU
Rice
UTEP
Houston

This would be my 6th AQ conference


18 teams? WOW!

Everbody thought I was crazy! now its 22 teams and wanting to go to 24 go cusa/mwc
http://espn.go.com/college-football/sto ... y-alliance

The Mountain West Conference and Conference USA have agreed to form an association for football, hoping the move will help solidify both leagues and improve their chances at obtaining an automatic qualifying bid for the Bowl Championship Series.

The 22-team league will have a two-division alignment and will play a championship game, Conference USA commissioner Britton Banowsky said during a conference call announcing the move on Friday.

The two leagues would maintain their independent structures in all other sports under the arrangement, which could begin as early as 2012.

The timing of the announcement comes amid reports that the Big East is close to inviting Mountain West members Boise State and Air Force and C-USA member Central Florida, along with football independent Navy.


I'm just trying to create greater stability for our membership so we're not talking about membership issues. The status quo of a 10-team football league with Hawaii as a football-only member was not acceptable, and we're looking for a new dynamic.

-- Mountain West Conference
commissioner Craig Thompson
Banowsky and Mountain West commissioner Craig Thompson said Boise State, Air Force and UCF voted on the alliance, and that all three schools endorsed the move.

Both commissioners also said their respective schools informed them about discussions with the Big East but declined to go into much detail. Banowsky said SMU and Houston have not informed him of any discussions with the Big East.

When asked specifically whether he expected to lose UCF, Banowsky said, "Not really. I hope UCF will be with us for a long time, but as I've said, if a school feels they're in a better situation somewhere else, that's OK.

"It's not something anyone takes personally. We find a way to handle it in a professional way. We pat them on the back and wish them well."

Will the new alliance be enough to keep Boise State and Air Force from leaving for the Big East?

"I don't want to label it in those terms," Thompson said. "It's a viable option and it creates stability, and that's what they're looking for.

Thompson said he spoke with Air Force Academy Superintendent Gen. Mike Gould on Thursday night, as the Falcons hosted San Diego State, again on Friday morning, during a conference call, and a third time in a follow-up conversation.

"I can't answer what Air Force will do. We are going to put an attractive option on the table for the United States Air Force Academy," Thompson said.

The idea of stabilizing the two conferences was a key point of emphasis during Friday's announcement.

With the rapidly-changing landscape in college football and the possibilty each league could lose members, an alliance would give the two leagues stability they would not have as stand-alone leagues. There even has been talk of adding new members and getting up to 24 teams.

"I don't want to put our members in a position that today we're at 10, next year we might be at nine, two years from now at eight and continually having to add additional member institutions because it's not as easy as exchanging one for one," Thompson said.

"I'm just trying to create greater stability for our membership so we're not talking about membership issues. The status quo of a 10-team football league with Hawaii as a football-only member was not acceptable, and we're looking for a new dynamic."

The two commissioners began discussing a merger in August of 2010 after the first wave of conference realignment hit, but those discussions were tabled a short time later. They were revisited again a few months ago after the second wave of realignment hit.

While both commissioners talked about how attractive a 22-member league spanning 16 states and five time zones is to their television partners, neither could answer one of the biggest questions of all: Will this alliance get them that coveted automatic bid into the BCS?

"Who knows what's going to happen," Banowsky said. "I don't think anyone has a clear idea of what will happen in 2014 for sure, whether there will even be a BCS and if there is who will be in what conference and what conference will have what access and if there will even be an automatic qualification.

"Some people think you should play in the game if you deserve it. Our conferences together will stand up as one conference, we will speak with a strong voice and we will expect our champion to be recognized."

But what if Boise State, one of two schools in the 22-team alliance that has been to a BCS game, leaves and costs the new formation it's strongest asset in its argument for BCS inclusion.

"Certainly everyone's (BCS) numbers are going to be juxtaposed and repositioned," Thompson said. "Everyone in the last year and a half has added or lost members. ... I don't know who's going to be in what league. Right now, today Friday afternoon, the intention is we start with 22."

Moving forward, the two conferences will sit down to work out scheduling arrangements and a divisional structure without losing any traditional rivalries. Banowsky said there is the hope of getting a championship game established for 2012, but ideally that would begin in 2013.

He also added, "The long-term goal is to figure out a way to have divisional champions and a tiered playoff format."

The football-only association would not affect the MWC and C-USA's status within the NCAA structure. But they also will work on scheduling agreements for their other sports, including men's basketball.

No doubt this alliance is a unique partnership in college football, one Thompson hopes will last well into the future.

"I'm just trying to find a comfort zone where everybody, 'Says I'm really happy to be a part of this association,'" Thompson said.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 8:23 pm 
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Like I said in the MWC thread, it won't last even five years. BSU and SMU among other schools could be picked off by AQ conferences (I prefer BSU go to the Pac-12 and SMU to the Big 12), and like that the alliance crumbles like Big West football did and the Great West soon will.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 8:33 pm 
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footballgod wrote:
seanbo wrote:
footballgod wrote:
EAST:
UCONN
Rutgers
WVU
ECU
Cincinnati
Louisville
UCF
USF
Marshall

WEST:
Memphis
UAB
USM
Tulane
Tulsa
SMU
Rice
UTEP
Houston

This would be my 6th AQ conference


18 teams? WOW!

Everbody thought I was crazy! now its 22 teams and wanting to go to 24 go cusa/mwc
http://espn.go.com/college-football/sto ... y-alliance

The Mountain West Conference and Conference USA have agreed to form an association for football, hoping the move will help solidify both leagues and improve their chances at obtaining an automatic qualifying bid for the Bowl Championship Series.

The 22-team league will have a two-division alignment and will play a championship game, Conference USA commissioner Britton Banowsky said during a conference call announcing the move on Friday.

The two leagues would maintain their independent structures in all other sports under the arrangement, which could begin as early as 2012.

The timing of the announcement comes amid reports that the Big East is close to inviting Mountain West members Boise State and Air Force and C-USA member Central Florida, along with football independent Navy.


I'm just trying to create greater stability for our membership so we're not talking about membership issues. The status quo of a 10-team football league with Hawaii as a football-only member was not acceptable, and we're looking for a new dynamic.

-- Mountain West Conference
commissioner Craig Thompson
Banowsky and Mountain West commissioner Craig Thompson said Boise State, Air Force and UCF voted on the alliance, and that all three schools endorsed the move.

Both commissioners also said their respective schools informed them about discussions with the Big East but declined to go into much detail. Banowsky said SMU and Houston have not informed him of any discussions with the Big East.

When asked specifically whether he expected to lose UCF, Banowsky said, "Not really. I hope UCF will be with us for a long time, but as I've said, if a school feels they're in a better situation somewhere else, that's OK.

"It's not something anyone takes personally. We find a way to handle it in a professional way. We pat them on the back and wish them well."

Will the new alliance be enough to keep Boise State and Air Force from leaving for the Big East?

"I don't want to label it in those terms," Thompson said. "It's a viable option and it creates stability, and that's what they're looking for.

Thompson said he spoke with Air Force Academy Superintendent Gen. Mike Gould on Thursday night, as the Falcons hosted San Diego State, again on Friday morning, during a conference call, and a third time in a follow-up conversation.

"I can't answer what Air Force will do. We are going to put an attractive option on the table for the United States Air Force Academy," Thompson said.

The idea of stabilizing the two conferences was a key point of emphasis during Friday's announcement.

With the rapidly-changing landscape in college football and the possibilty each league could lose members, an alliance would give the two leagues stability they would not have as stand-alone leagues. There even has been talk of adding new members and getting up to 24 teams.

"I don't want to put our members in a position that today we're at 10, next year we might be at nine, two years from now at eight and continually having to add additional member institutions because it's not as easy as exchanging one for one," Thompson said.

"I'm just trying to create greater stability for our membership so we're not talking about membership issues. The status quo of a 10-team football league with Hawaii as a football-only member was not acceptable, and we're looking for a new dynamic."

The two commissioners began discussing a merger in August of 2010 after the first wave of conference realignment hit, but those discussions were tabled a short time later. They were revisited again a few months ago after the second wave of realignment hit.

While both commissioners talked about how attractive a 22-member league spanning 16 states and five time zones is to their television partners, neither could answer one of the biggest questions of all: Will this alliance get them that coveted automatic bid into the BCS?

"Who knows what's going to happen," Banowsky said. "I don't think anyone has a clear idea of what will happen in 2014 for sure, whether there will even be a BCS and if there is who will be in what conference and what conference will have what access and if there will even be an automatic qualification.

"Some people think you should play in the game if you deserve it. Our conferences together will stand up as one conference, we will speak with a strong voice and we will expect our champion to be recognized."

But what if Boise State, one of two schools in the 22-team alliance that has been to a BCS game, leaves and costs the new formation it's strongest asset in its argument for BCS inclusion.

"Certainly everyone's (BCS) numbers are going to be juxtaposed and repositioned," Thompson said. "Everyone in the last year and a half has added or lost members. ... I don't know who's going to be in what league. Right now, today Friday afternoon, the intention is we start with 22."

Moving forward, the two conferences will sit down to work out scheduling arrangements and a divisional structure without losing any traditional rivalries. Banowsky said there is the hope of getting a championship game established for 2012, but ideally that would begin in 2013.

He also added, "The long-term goal is to figure out a way to have divisional champions and a tiered playoff format."

The football-only association would not affect the MWC and C-USA's status within the NCAA structure. But they also will work on scheduling agreements for their other sports, including men's basketball.

No doubt this alliance is a unique partnership in college football, one Thompson hopes will last well into the future.

"I'm just trying to find a comfort zone where everybody, 'Says I'm really happy to be a part of this association,'" Thompson said.


I thought 18 or more for one conference of small schools (not bigger schools) was crazy, not for 2 conferences. These are going to be 2 - 11 team leagues not 18 in C-USA plus the MWC teams. Other than a championship game, these 2 divisions (conferences) don't play each other. They are still 2 separate conferences maybe in the future if they lose 4 to 6 schools, they will become one.

I would assume UTEP will play football in the MWC for the time being.


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Like I said in the MWC thread, it won't last even five years. BSU and SMU among other schools could be picked off by AQ conferences (I prefer BSU go to the Pac-12 and SMU to the Big 12), and like that the alliance crumbles like Big West football did and the Great West soon will.


If the PAC won't take Oklahoma then they are not going to take Boise.


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seanbo wrote:
footballgod wrote:
seanbo wrote:
footballgod wrote:
EAST:
UCONN
Rutgers
WVU
ECU
Cincinnati
Louisville
UCF
USF
Marshall

WEST:
Memphis
UAB
USM
Tulane
Tulsa
SMU
Rice
UTEP
Houston

This would be my 6th AQ conference


18 teams? WOW!

Everbody thought I was crazy! now its 22 teams and wanting to go to 24 go cusa/mwc
http://espn.go.com/college-football/sto ... y-alliance

The Mountain West Conference and Conference USA have agreed to form an association for football, hoping the move will help solidify both leagues and improve their chances at obtaining an automatic qualifying bid for the Bowl Championship Series.

The 22-team league will have a two-division alignment and will play a championship game, Conference USA commissioner Britton Banowsky said during a conference call announcing the move on Friday.

The two leagues would maintain their independent structures in all other sports under the arrangement, which could begin as early as 2012.

The timing of the announcement comes amid reports that the Big East is close to inviting Mountain West members Boise State and Air Force and C-USA member Central Florida, along with football independent Navy.


I'm just trying to create greater stability for our membership so we're not talking about membership issues. The status quo of a 10-team football league with Hawaii as a football-only member was not acceptable, and we're looking for a new dynamic.

-- Mountain West Conference
commissioner Craig Thompson
Banowsky and Mountain West commissioner Craig Thompson said Boise State, Air Force and UCF voted on the alliance, and that all three schools endorsed the move.

Both commissioners also said their respective schools informed them about discussions with the Big East but declined to go into much detail. Banowsky said SMU and Houston have not informed him of any discussions with the Big East.

When asked specifically whether he expected to lose UCF, Banowsky said, "Not really. I hope UCF will be with us for a long time, but as I've said, if a school feels they're in a better situation somewhere else, that's OK.

"It's not something anyone takes personally. We find a way to handle it in a professional way. We pat them on the back and wish them well."

Will the new alliance be enough to keep Boise State and Air Force from leaving for the Big East?

"I don't want to label it in those terms," Thompson said. "It's a viable option and it creates stability, and that's what they're looking for.

Thompson said he spoke with Air Force Academy Superintendent Gen. Mike Gould on Thursday night, as the Falcons hosted San Diego State, again on Friday morning, during a conference call, and a third time in a follow-up conversation.

"I can't answer what Air Force will do. We are going to put an attractive option on the table for the United States Air Force Academy," Thompson said.

The idea of stabilizing the two conferences was a key point of emphasis during Friday's announcement.

With the rapidly-changing landscape in college football and the possibilty each league could lose members, an alliance would give the two leagues stability they would not have as stand-alone leagues. There even has been talk of adding new members and getting up to 24 teams.

"I don't want to put our members in a position that today we're at 10, next year we might be at nine, two years from now at eight and continually having to add additional member institutions because it's not as easy as exchanging one for one," Thompson said.

"I'm just trying to create greater stability for our membership so we're not talking about membership issues. The status quo of a 10-team football league with Hawaii as a football-only member was not acceptable, and we're looking for a new dynamic."

The two commissioners began discussing a merger in August of 2010 after the first wave of conference realignment hit, but those discussions were tabled a short time later. They were revisited again a few months ago after the second wave of realignment hit.

While both commissioners talked about how attractive a 22-member league spanning 16 states and five time zones is to their television partners, neither could answer one of the biggest questions of all: Will this alliance get them that coveted automatic bid into the BCS?

"Who knows what's going to happen," Banowsky said. "I don't think anyone has a clear idea of what will happen in 2014 for sure, whether there will even be a BCS and if there is who will be in what conference and what conference will have what access and if there will even be an automatic qualification.

"Some people think you should play in the game if you deserve it. Our conferences together will stand up as one conference, we will speak with a strong voice and we will expect our champion to be recognized."

But what if Boise State, one of two schools in the 22-team alliance that has been to a BCS game, leaves and costs the new formation it's strongest asset in its argument for BCS inclusion.

"Certainly everyone's (BCS) numbers are going to be juxtaposed and repositioned," Thompson said. "Everyone in the last year and a half has added or lost members. ... I don't know who's going to be in what league. Right now, today Friday afternoon, the intention is we start with 22."

Moving forward, the two conferences will sit down to work out scheduling arrangements and a divisional structure without losing any traditional rivalries. Banowsky said there is the hope of getting a championship game established for 2012, but ideally that would begin in 2013.

He also added, "The long-term goal is to figure out a way to have divisional champions and a tiered playoff format."

The football-only association would not affect the MWC and C-USA's status within the NCAA structure. But they also will work on scheduling agreements for their other sports, including men's basketball.

No doubt this alliance is a unique partnership in college football, one Thompson hopes will last well into the future.

"I'm just trying to find a comfort zone where everybody, 'Says I'm really happy to be a part of this association,'" Thompson said.


I thought 18 or more for one conference of small schools (not bigger schools) was crazy, not for 2 conferences. These are going to be 2 - 11 team leagues not 18 in C-USA plus the MWC teams. Other than a championship game, these 2 divisions (conferences) don't play each other. They are still 2 separate conferences maybe in the future if they lose 4 to 6 schools, they will become one.

I would assume UTEP will play football in the MWC for the time being.


Yup. Almost assume 3 CUSA schools leave and 2 MWC. Means totals are:

CUSA (9)
MWC (8)

Solutions:
* Utah St. to MWC (9/9)
* North Texas to CUSA (to replace SMU), UTEP to MWC (9/9)
* North Texas to CUSA, UTSA to CUSA, UTEP to MWC, Utah st to MWC (10/10)

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When Conference USA and Mountain West merge we will be down to 10 conferences. If the MAC and Sun Belt were to merge into a 24 team conference then we would be down to 9 conferences. Conference USA and Mountain West are about to have six teams raided by the Big East. If all of the WAC schools replace the teams that go to the Big East then we could potentially be down to 8 conferences. 8 conferences would be perfect for a playoff.


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When Conference USA and Mountain West merge we will be down to 10 conferences. If the MAC and Sun Belt were to merge into a 24 team conference then we would be down to 9 conferences. Conference USA and Mountain West are about to have six teams raided by the Big East. If all of the WAC schools replace the teams that go to the Big East then we could potentially be down to 8 conferences. 8 conferences would be perfect for a playoff.


I'm not with ya. Sorry, but even with a playoff, I don't see a MAC/Sunbelt merge as being worthy of being on the same level as SEC, Big Ten, etc. Especially with the nature of playoffs: take many weeks with each new set of bids. 8 schools takes 3 weeks. 12 3 or 4 weeks. 16=4 weeks, 20=4-5 weeks. Plus figure that the #5 school in the top 4 BCS conferences will always be more worthy than most #1 from MAC/Sunbelt. That, and I see no need for CUSA to slum it with all the WAC schools.

You have a 16 school playoff, I see no need for any changes other than current 6 BCS conferences get autobids, maybe CUSA/MWC get one too IFFFF Boise St remains. Not sold on MWC without BSU (and CUSA losses of their top remaining programs UCF, Houston, SMU). Even with that, it means 7 bids and only 9 at-large bids. It would be rare in a BSU to BE world that CUSA/MWC would have a school worthy to get in.

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NCAABBS MB thread discussing report that UHBOR expected to meet this Thursday at 4PM CST to discuss possibility of Houston leaving C-USA at http://www.ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=525009


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Suppose Houston, Memphis and SMU get taken by a 16-team Big 12.

Replacements? My three top candidates are Louisiana Tech of the WAC, Troy, and Western Kentucky, both of the Sun Belt. Troy brings a good football program, WKU a good men's basketball program (and was good at football before the move to FBS), and Louisiana Tech brings in a good women's basketball program.

Southern Miss would be moved to the West Division.


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Andy Katz discussing tomorrow's reported meeting(previously discussed in BE thread) between C-USA,MWC, and BE Commissioners to discuss possible FB merger at http://espn.go.com/college-football/sto ... ntain-west


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