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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:12 pm 
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So some talk on the MVC board got me thinking about C-USA's situation. It seems their is a rule on the NCAA books that allows six schools that have been together for a given number of years constitute a conference is joined by at least one other school and are entitled to an NCAA basketball tournament bid; they also bring with them any tournament credits that they've earned. This was the same rule that the old Big East was attempting to take advantage of, if need arose, back when they expanded to 16 in 2005. What does this have to do with C-USA? If the current 14 team league can stick together long enough to meet the qualifications then wouldn't it be prudent for each division to add a member or two and the league would then be a federation of sorts but be entitled to two auto bids?

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:47 am 
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If each division added one existing FBS member, they become two separate FBS conferences with all the privileges that the other 9 FBS conferences currently enjoy. The only drawback is that one conference, at least initially, would not be party to any bowl tie-ins or the CFP contract. The bowl situation is rectifiable given the number of bowls, but each school would be losing up to $1 Million a year by leaving C-USA.

If the division that became the new conference had a bunch of NCAA units earned by their members, this could be offset somewhat, as those units would be split 8 ways instead of 14 ways, but it takes multiple wins in the NCAA tournament to make up the loss in the CFP money. Essentially, you need one division to get really good in basketball for 5 years, and then have them leave the conference. The new league has a bid to the big dance, likely would steal a few lower C-USA bowls by default even without a formal tie-in, but have little to no CFP money. C-USA would have 8 schools, 1 of whom is new, actually see a slight increase in CFP funds per school (since the league previously was over 12 schools, and the performance bonus is a set amount regardless of membership level), but would have lost all the NCAA tournament credits since they reverted to the departing schools.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 2:21 am 
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So some talk on the MVC board got me thinking about C-USA's situation. It seems their is a rule on the NCAA books that allows six schools that have been together for a given number of years constitute a conference is joined by at least one other school and are entitled to an NCAA basketball tournament bid; they also bring with them any tournament credits that they've earned. This was the same rule that the old Big East was attempting to take advantage of, if need arose, back when they expanded to 16 in 2005. What does this have to do with C-USA? If the current 14 team league can stick together long enough to meet the qualifications then wouldn't it be prudent for each division to add a member or two and the league would then be a federation of sorts but be entitled to two auto bids?

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The "continuity rule" or members (6 members together for five consecutive years) was dropped a few years ago.

After the ACC raided the Big East in 2003, published minutes show the BEFB group actually voted to split along football lines THEN, but Tranghese informed them that the basketball side would be screwed; so they added Marquette & DePaul so they could amicably split later -- took longer than everyone expected because they also expanded the CBB season two games, which enabled them to get tons of NCAA bids, making the mega-Big East financially viable.

The current WAC was the beneficiary of the modified rule.

The new rule is you have to be six full NCAA members to be a conference. Period. You might not get an automatic bid immediately, you have to apply for it. The New Big East had to apply, but by announcing their intentions in Dec. of 2012, the NCAA had ample time to know it was coming (and decide WHO had to apply: Big East or American), and the application was approved for the next season (2013-14).


And the group of 14 can only get two NCAA bids if they split into two separate conferences. Nothing prevents a scheduling agreement of 2 separate 6-team conferences playing a double-round robin, and a round robin against the other 6-team conference; but they'd have to be two conferences, two conference tournaments.

That concept actually used to exist. The Eastern Collegiate Athletic Conference, which had no regular season, staged multiple regional tournaments each year with the winners getting NCAA automatic bids. This was not popular with anyone outside the Northeast and they kept passing legislation encouraging conference membership.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECAC_Men' ... Brackets_4

- Most the big basketball powers (blackballed St. Bonaventure and) formed the Big East.
- The next level of basketball powers formed the Eastern Collegiate Basketball League, which is now the Atlantic 10.
- The remaining New England Region teams split off as the ECAC North, later renamed the America East.
- Half the ECAC Metro Region split off and renamed themselves the Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference (MAAC).
- The remaining ECAC Metro Region teams renamed themselves the Northeastern Conference (NEC)
- The remaining ECAC South Region teams renamed themselves the Colonial Athletic Association (CAA).

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:40 am 
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Opinion piece from the Virginian-Pilot saying that C-USA needs to expand to reduce travel costs. The author wants C-USA to add James Madison U. and Georgia State U.
http://pilotonline.com/sports/baseball/ ... 11eec.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Personally, i don't think that adding schools will help at all. What C-USA needs to do in my opinion (and of course i know it will never happen) is to do a straight-up trade with the Sun Belt Conference. The Sun Belt gets C-USA's four Texas schools, La. Tech and Southern Miss., and the Sun Belt sends over South Alabama, Troy, Appy State, Coastal Carolina, Georgia State, and Georgia Southern. Here's how it would look:

Sun Belt
Texas North Texas
Rice
Texas-Arlington
UTEP
Texas-San Antonio
Texas State
Arkansas Arkansas St.
Ark.-Little Rock
Louisiana La.-Lafayette
La.-Monroe
La. Tech.
Mississippi Southern Miss.

C-USA
Alabama UAB
South Alabama
Troy
Florida Fla. Atlantic
Fla. International
North Carolina Appy State
Charlotte
Georgia Georgia Southern
Georgia State
other states Coastal Carolina
Marshall
Middle Tenn. St.
ODU
Western Kentucky

Under this proposal, the Sun Belt becomes a REALLY tight conference, almost as tight as the old Southwest Conference. C-USA adds new schools that are in the middle of the remaining schools, or in the same state as an C-USA school. No new schools outside the footprint. The football count remains the same in each conference. Let's face it. Neither conference is going to bring in a ton of TV money. Might as well tighten the belt by lowering travel expenses, and focus on their region, not expanding.


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The Mountain West is actively the recruiting the Texas schools as we speak .... They are going to Sixteen ... They are afraid of loosing Air Force to the AAC .....


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 2:22 am 
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CUSA needs to split. Too big of an area and too many different schools/priorities.

The Eastern part of the league should add JMU and make their own conference.

Marshall, JMU, ODU, UNCC, FIU, FAU, UAB, USM, MTSU, WKU

The remaining CUSA schools (LA Tech and the 4 Texas schools) decide that CUSA was too big a choose to stay regional.

NMSU, UTEP, UNT, TX St, UTSA, Rice, LA Tech, ULM, ULL, Ark St (maybe UTA/UALR for non fb)

The remaining Sun Belt schools look for any replacements they can find.

GA St, GA So, Coastal, App St, Troy, SoBama, plus 2 more from EKU, Missouri St, Lamar, Liberty, or just stick with the fb onlys (assuming they keep UTA/UALR) UMass/Idaho.

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CUSA needs to split. Too big of an area and too many different schools/priorities.

The Eastern part of the league should add JMU and make their own conference.

Marshall, JMU, ODU, UNCC, FIU, FAU, UAB, USM, MTSU, WKU

The remaining CUSA schools (LA Tech and the 4 Texas schools) decide that CUSA was too big a choose to stay regional.

NMSU, UTEP, UNT, TX St, UTSA, Rice, LA Tech, ULM, ULL, Ark St (maybe UTA/UALR for non fb)

The remaining Sun Belt schools look for any replacements they can find.

GA St, GA So, Coastal, App St, Troy, SoBama, plus 2 more from EKU, Missouri St, Lamar, Liberty, or just stick with the fb onlys (assuming they keep UTA/UALR) UMass/Idaho.



Or,
would USM chose to go with the Louisiana schools? If so, then maybe USA goes with them??

UTEP, UTSA, Rice, N. Tx, La Tech, ULL, Ark St, S. Miss, S. Alabama, FIU(cap the tx schools at 4, cap the la. schools at 2)

Marshall, JMU, ODU, UNCC, FAU, UAB, MTSU, WKU , G Southern, G St(atlanta over hattisburg, the fla schools don't have to beat each other to death to have a shot at a CCG)

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:42 pm 
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In my opinion there really shouldn't be any obstacles for a split to occur. The Catholic 7 managed their split and instantly had post season bids. They would just need to determine a way to equitably split basketball credits and decide who received which bowl tie-ins. The only big question is would both leagues get play-off money.

My thinking is that the West adds 3 Sunbelt schools, the East adds JMU and 2 Sunbelt schools. That leaves the Sunbelt 5 full football members. NMSU gets a full member invite to make 6 and Idaho gets to stick around for football. Those left behind would need 2-3 FCS call-ups to stay cohesive.


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