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Not sure what USU offers for the MWC


Presence in the state of Utah since the MWC lost both Utah and BYU. Outside of that Utah State doesn't offer much for the MWC.


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hickory_cornhusker wrote:
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Not sure what USU offers for the MWC


Presence in the state of Utah since the MWC lost both Utah and BYU. Outside of that Utah State doesn't offer much for the MWC.

and a top 25 basketball program, plus their football has been steadily improving they just renovated Romney Stadium and are looking at expanding it to 40,000 (from 25K). And outside of possibly adding UTEP/SJSU for a 12th the MWC could be looking at getting BYU to rejoin the conference as a non-football member to offset Hawaii, and Utah St could make the MWC more enticing than the WCC...longshot for sure but still a viable option.

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hickory_cornhusker wrote:
dbackjon wrote:
Not sure what USU offers for the MWC


Presence in the state of Utah since the MWC lost both Utah and BYU. Outside of that Utah State doesn't offer much for the MWC.



So I should expect an invite for NAU any day now, since Arizona is more populous than Utah, and the MWC needs a presence there?


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tkalmus wrote:
hickory_cornhusker wrote:
dbackjon wrote:
Not sure what USU offers for the MWC


Presence in the state of Utah since the MWC lost both Utah and BYU. Outside of that Utah State doesn't offer much for the MWC.

and a top 25 basketball program, plus their football has been steadily improving they just renovated Romney Stadium and are looking at expanding it to 40,000 (from 25K). And outside of possibly adding UTEP/SJSU for a 12th the MWC could be looking at getting BYU to rejoin the conference as a non-football member to offset Hawaii, and Utah St could make the MWC more enticing than the WCC...longshot for sure but still a viable option.




When you only win one, then two games in a season, I guess you could call back to back four win seasons a steady improvement.

Basketball is the only thing Utah State has going for it, but basketball doesn't drive re-alignments.


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tkalmus wrote:
hickory_cornhusker wrote:
dbackjon wrote:
Not sure what USU offers for the MWC


Presence in the state of Utah since the MWC lost both Utah and BYU. Outside of that Utah State doesn't offer much for the MWC.

and a top 25 basketball program, plus their football has been steadily improving they just renovated Romney Stadium and are looking at expanding it to 40,000 (from 25K). And outside of possibly adding UTEP/SJSU for a 12th the MWC could be looking at getting BYU to rejoin the conference as a non-football member to offset Hawaii, and Utah St could make the MWC more enticing than the WCC...longshot for sure but still a viable option.




When you only win one, then two games in a season, I guess you could call back to back four win seasons a steady improvement.

Basketball is the only thing Utah State has going for it, but basketball doesn't drive re-alignments.


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dbackjon wrote:
tkalmus wrote:
hickory_cornhusker wrote:
dbackjon wrote:
Not sure what USU offers for the MWC


Presence in the state of Utah since the MWC lost both Utah and BYU. Outside of that Utah State doesn't offer much for the MWC.

and a top 25 basketball program, plus their football has been steadily improving they just renovated Romney Stadium and are looking at expanding it to 40,000 (from 25K). And outside of possibly adding UTEP/SJSU for a 12th the MWC could be looking at getting BYU to rejoin the conference as a non-football member to offset Hawaii, and Utah St could make the MWC more enticing than the WCC...longshot for sure but still a viable option.




When you only win one, then two games in a season, I guess you could call back to back four win seasons a steady improvement.

Basketball is the only thing Utah State has going for it, but basketball doesn't drive re-alignments.

Hey, they were pretty damn close to beating OU last year in Norman. But I agree their main appeal is the SLC market.

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I'm all for Utah St. in the MWC. Always have been since BYU and Utah left. Just makes sense as the state had been the unofficial TV base for the conference. Not ALL of those people were watching solely for BYU or Utah but because it was on. There is a base in Utah that will be turned on to Utah St. simply for that reason. Might not be huge, but some.

I thought Utah St. was a better fit than Hawaii was and should have gotten that invite. But they didn't.

So now, we wait to see IF Utah St. really does make the move and if the MWC really invites them.

Because if they do, you've got 10 for basketball and 11 for football. Ouch.

It would seem that a 12th football school wouldn't be a stretch. If SJSU were in the mix again, that would be public since it would be like Xmas for SJSU admins.

Do they stay at 11? Could, but again, ouch.

So maybe UTEP is approached again. Who knows at this point. MWC situation is a strange one with the on again off again talks with schools.

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Other stories:
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I'm all for Utah St. in the MWC. Always have been since BYU and Utah left. Just makes sense as the state had been the unofficial TV base for the conference. Not ALL of those people were watching solely for BYU or Utah but because it was on. There is a base in Utah that will be turned on to Utah St. simply for that reason. Might not be huge, but some.

I thought Utah St. was a better fit than Hawaii was and should have gotten that invite. But they didn't.

So now, we wait to see IF Utah St. really does make the move and if the MWC really invites them.

Because if they do, you've got 10 for basketball and 11 for football. Ouch.

It would seem that a 12th football school wouldn't be a stretch. If SJSU were in the mix again, that would be public since it would be like Xmas for SJSU admins.

Do they stay at 11? Could, but again, ouch.

So maybe UTEP is approached again. Who knows at this point. MWC situation is a strange one with the on again off again talks with schools.

Hell no they're not. I don't care about market if you add garbage to my conf. How's Boise's market, who cares, they're good and get on tv, while helping out the conf. rating. At least Hawaii has a good team that's been to the BCS and has a unique time slot to themselves for TV. SJSU has a big market too that no one cares about, just like USU. Hey UNT is in a big market, let's get back into Texas by taking a team that no one gives 2 sh*ts about in the state.

You didn't read everything, they said we'd get a Texas school for 12. It's on the MWC board.

Quinn the A-10 should add Chicago St., its a big market that they could use.

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Article out of Boise(previously posted in another thread)with comments from MWC Commish who says that his league is not currently interested in expansion but is watching the Big 12 at this time.Link at http://voices.idahostatesman.com/2011/0 ... nsion_talk


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Fresno St. Alum wrote:
Quinn wrote:
I'm all for Utah St. in the MWC. Always have been since BYU and Utah left. Just makes sense as the state had been the unofficial TV base for the conference. Not ALL of those people were watching solely for BYU or Utah but because it was on. There is a base in Utah that will be turned on to Utah St. simply for that reason. Might not be huge, but some.

I thought Utah St. was a better fit than Hawaii was and should have gotten that invite. But they didn't.

So now, we wait to see IF Utah St. really does make the move and if the MWC really invites them.

Because if they do, you've got 10 for basketball and 11 for football. Ouch.

It would seem that a 12th football school wouldn't be a stretch. If SJSU were in the mix again, that would be public since it would be like Xmas for SJSU admins.

Do they stay at 11? Could, but again, ouch.

So maybe UTEP is approached again. Who knows at this point. MWC situation is a strange one with the on again off again talks with schools.

Look someone from USU hacked Quinn's account! Hell no they're not. I don't care about market if you add garbage to my conf. How's Boise's market, who cares, they're good and get on tv, while helping out the conf. rating. At least Hawaii has a good team that's been to the BCS and has a unique time slot to themselves for TV. SJSU has a big market too that no one cares about, just like USU. Hey UNT is in a big market, let's get back into Texas by taking a team that no one gives 2 sh*ts about in the state.

You didn't read everything, they said we'd get a Texas school for 12. It's on the MWC board.

Quinn the A-10 should add Chicago St., its a big market that they could use.



You lost me. You quoted me "
I thought Utah St. was a better fit than Hawaii was and should have gotten that invite. But they didn't." and then went on a rant about markets...which I didn't even mention there. So you're saying that the Honolulu market is better for the Mountain West than Utah/Salt Lake City, which is in the middle of the MWC footprint? You're saying that adding Hawaii was better using your "market" argument than making SOME attempt to replace the loss of what WAS the STRONGEST Mountain West market?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:19 pm 
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Quinn wrote:
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Quinn wrote:
I'm all for Utah St. in the MWC. Always have been since BYU and Utah left. Just makes sense as the state had been the unofficial TV base for the conference. Not ALL of those people were watching solely for BYU or Utah but because it was on. There is a base in Utah that will be turned on to Utah St. simply for that reason. Might not be huge, but some.

I thought Utah St. was a better fit than Hawaii was and should have gotten that invite. But they didn't.

So now, we wait to see IF Utah St. really does make the move and if the MWC really invites them.

Because if they do, you've got 10 for basketball and 11 for football. Ouch.

It would seem that a 12th football school wouldn't be a stretch. If SJSU were in the mix again, that would be public since it would be like Xmas for SJSU admins.

Do they stay at 11? Could, but again, ouch.

So maybe UTEP is approached again. Who knows at this point. MWC situation is a strange one with the on again off again talks with schools.

Look someone from USU hacked Quinn's account! Hell no they're not. I don't care about market if you add garbage to my conf. How's Boise's market, who cares, they're good and get on tv, while helping out the conf. rating. At least Hawaii has a good team that's been to the BCS and has a unique time slot to themselves for TV. SJSU has a big market too that no one cares about, just like USU. Hey UNT is in a big market, let's get back into Texas by taking a team that no one gives 2 sh*ts about in the state.

You didn't read everything, they said we'd get a Texas school for 12. It's on the MWC board.

Quinn the A-10 should add Chicago St., its a big market that they could use.



You lost me. You quoted me "
I thought Utah St. was a better fit than Hawaii was and should have gotten that invite. But they didn't." and then went on a rant about markets...which I didn't even mention there. So you're saying that the Honolulu market is better for the Mountain West than Utah/Salt Lake City, which is in the middle of the MWC footprint? You're saying that adding Hawaii was better using your "market" argument than making SOME attempt to replace the loss of what WAS the STRONGEST Mountain West market?




Is 100% of a medium-size state (Honolulu is #72 market, 433K Viewers, plus rest of state) better than 10% of #32 (933K Viewers)?


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Quinn wrote:
Fresno St. Alum wrote:
Quinn wrote:
I'm all for Utah St. in the MWC. Always have been since BYU and Utah left. Just makes sense as the state had been the unofficial TV base for the conference. Not ALL of those people were watching solely for BYU or Utah but because it was on. There is a base in Utah that will be turned on to Utah St. simply for that reason. Might not be huge, but some.

I thought Utah St. was a better fit than Hawaii was and should have gotten that invite. But they didn't.

So now, we wait to see IF Utah St. really does make the move and if the MWC really invites them.

Because if they do, you've got 10 for basketball and 11 for football. Ouch.

It would seem that a 12th football school wouldn't be a stretch. If SJSU were in the mix again, that would be public since it would be like Xmas for SJSU admins.

Do they stay at 11? Could, but again, ouch.

So maybe UTEP is approached again. Who knows at this point. MWC situation is a strange one with the on again off again talks with schools.

Look someone from USU hacked Quinn's account! Hell no they're not. I don't care about market if you add garbage to my conf. How's Boise's market, who cares, they're good and get on tv, while helping out the conf. rating. At least Hawaii has a good team that's been to the BCS and has a unique time slot to themselves for TV. SJSU has a big market too that no one cares about, just like USU. Hey UNT is in a big market, let's get back into Texas by taking a team that no one gives 2 sh*ts about in the state.

You didn't read everything, they said we'd get a Texas school for 12. It's on the MWC board.

Quinn the A-10 should add Chicago St., its a big market that they could use.



You lost me. You quoted me "
I thought Utah St. was a better fit than Hawaii was and should have gotten that invite. But they didn't." and then went on a rant about markets...which I didn't even mention there. So you're saying that the Honolulu market is better for the Mountain West than Utah/Salt Lake City, which is in the middle of the MWC footprint? You're saying that adding Hawaii was better using your "market" argument than making SOME attempt to replace the loss of what WAS the STRONGEST Mountain West market?

All I said is market isn't everything especially when you don't own it like USU and SJSU don't. Boise and Hawaii are smaller but at least bring it. More importantly bring it on the field. You are talking about TVs so that doesn't mean market to you? If you're not talking market you have less of a argument. Market doesn't = end all be all. See Boise, Nevada, Hawaii, Fresno being added not SJSU and USU. Freaked posted the quote showing this is all bs, but here you are running with some made up nonsense by 2 guys that don't know squat about the MWC. But I guess you know more than the 9 presidents and commish that voted Hawaii in and not USU.

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Fresno St. Alum wrote:
Quinn wrote:
Fresno St. Alum wrote:
Quinn wrote:
I'm all for Utah St. in the MWC. Always have been since BYU and Utah left. Just makes sense as the state had been the unofficial TV base for the conference. Not ALL of those people were watching solely for BYU or Utah but because it was on. There is a base in Utah that will be turned on to Utah St. simply for that reason. Might not be huge, but some.

I thought Utah St. was a better fit than Hawaii was and should have gotten that invite. But they didn't.

So now, we wait to see IF Utah St. really does make the move and if the MWC really invites them.

Because if they do, you've got 10 for basketball and 11 for football. Ouch.

It would seem that a 12th football school wouldn't be a stretch. If SJSU were in the mix again, that would be public since it would be like Xmas for SJSU admins.

Do they stay at 11? Could, but again, ouch.

So maybe UTEP is approached again. Who knows at this point. MWC situation is a strange one with the on again off again talks with schools.

Look someone from USU hacked Quinn's account! Hell no they're not. I don't care about market if you add garbage to my conf. How's Boise's market, who cares, they're good and get on tv, while helping out the conf. rating. At least Hawaii has a good team that's been to the BCS and has a unique time slot to themselves for TV. SJSU has a big market too that no one cares about, just like USU. Hey UNT is in a big market, let's get back into Texas by taking a team that no one gives 2 sh*ts about in the state.

You didn't read everything, they said we'd get a Texas school for 12. It's on the MWC board.

Quinn the A-10 should add Chicago St., its a big market that they could use.



You lost me. You quoted me "
I thought Utah St. was a better fit than Hawaii was and should have gotten that invite. But they didn't." and then went on a rant about markets...which I didn't even mention there. So you're saying that the Honolulu market is better for the Mountain West than Utah/Salt Lake City, which is in the middle of the MWC footprint? You're saying that adding Hawaii was better using your "market" argument than making SOME attempt to replace the loss of what WAS the STRONGEST Mountain West market?



You are out of touch w/ reality if you think USU is better for the MWC than Hawaii. All I said is market isn't everything especially when you don't own it like USU and SJSU don't. Boise and Hawaii are smaller but at least bring it. More importantly bring it on the field. You are talking about TVs so that doesn't mean market to you? If you're not talking market you have less of a argument. Market doesn't = end all be all. See Boise, Nevada, Hawaii, Fresno being added not SJSU and USU. Freaked posted the quote showing this is all bs, but here you are running with some made up nonsense by 2 guys that don't know squat about the MWC. But I guess you know more than the 9 presidents and commish that voted Hawaii in and not USU.



Easy there, Sally. Someone must be having a tough day.

You seem to have completely forgotten that Utah St. was one of the FIRST schools the Mountain West reached out to. Utah St. assumed all was well with the WAC which still had Nevada, Hawaii and Fresno St. When Utah St. passed, the aggressive move by the MWC was to invite Nevada and Fresno St...leaving Utah St. with egg on it's face, thinking they had done the "right" thing. If the POTENTIAL for the Utah market was not something that the MWC presidents thought important, then Utah St. would not have been the FIRST school that they approached upon the BYU announcement (which was we know, the MWC moves were very much in self-defense to prevent a power shift to the WAC).

We then saw just a few months ago AGAIN the Mountain West look at Utah St. AS WELL as San Jose St. Yes, SJSU, the same school everyone mocks. Cooler heads prevailed and no invites were given to either school. But AGAIN, we know that the MWC did indeed consider them that second time. This time around, it appears to all be a BS rumor. The other (2) times, it was a reality.

So again, I'm not sure why you feel it's such a stretch to consider Utah St. in the MWC when the MWC itself ONCE invited Utah St. and a SECOND time came dangerously close to inviting them and the baggage that would be SJSU. We're all entitled to our opinions, and my opinions are inline with these same 9 presidents that you put so high on a pedestal (which is strange in itself as the MWC has shown exactly how not to handle conference membership matters in comparison to the other non-WAC FBS conferences...I mean come-on, they lost BYU for non-football sports when they could have kept them, thinking they had more power than BYU...fail).

And again, you're the only one bringing up market. I think you have me confused with someone else because it should be fairly known on these forums that there is no bigger proponent to the concept of "market penetration" than I...especially since that same stupid phrase, "market penetration" wasn't even used for NCAA realignment discussion until I beat it down everyone's throat here to explain what it is and how it is the ONLY importance in regards to "market".

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