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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 4:42 pm 
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Well Army has not been very competitive in FBS for quite some time.

They got pummeled as a member of CUSA, went back independent in 2004 (?).
They know htey'd get pummeled in the AAC (largely former CUSA schools).
They wouldn't fare THAT much better in CUSA, MAC or Sun-Belt,
plus they don't want to be restricted to playing 8 of those opponents per year.

They are member of the Patriot league (with Navy) for all sports but football.
That's about Army's level of competition. Which is about the same as the Ivy League.
Yale is an FCS (Ivy) team not too far away (West Point, NY - New Haven, CT).
What's wrong with Army playing them ?

Army's problem is that they are an FCS level team trapped in the FBS
(I guess by the perceived need to "showcase" their lousy program vs. about 10 FBS schools, for recruiting purposes).
But they are just not set up to compete.
No slap at the kids on the team - they have made a 4-year commitment after graduation to serve in the Military.
But it's hard to build the necessary FBS-level depth required on their football roster.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:56 am 
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The MAC should hold on to UMass FB only while they have them and continue to build in the eastern time zone and TV markets with another FB only to go with them like Army. Army would fit into the MAC better than they would fit into any other conference for FB and leave their Olympic Sports in the Patriot. They could be competitive there and add to Buffalo and UMass for Northeast TV markets. If Army remains independent look for an FCS school in that area that wants to move up.


James Madison and Delaware as full members would be good east coast adds but James Madison is pretty set on entering FBS as a C-USA member.


James Madison would be a good grab for the MAC but Delaware has shown no interest in moving up. Nice campus and nice stadium at Delaware but the stadium only seats 22k. Its tucked in pretty tight too within its sports complex so I don't know how many seats they would be able to add in an expansion of the stadium. Maximum crowd sellout is listed at around 23.5k in it current capacity. Delaware would be a good grab though, but I think their interest would be in the AAC playing against local rivals they occasionally play against at D1 - Temple and Navy. Playing UConn and a traveling crowd from ECU would also be more in their best interests for selling out the stadium than MAC teams. However they have shown no interest in increasing their athletic budget and moving up at this time.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:58 am 
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Maybe Army needs to consider this scheduling model:

Navy
Air Force
an FCS school
the 9 worst FBS schools they can find.

That way they would get some wins and bring some respectability to the program.

Army shouldn't be scheduling anyone that they dont have at least a 50/50 chance of beating. They can still keep a modicum of academic prestige by scheduling schools like Tulane, Rice, and Miami (OH). They also need to be thinking about getting into major markets. Scheduling Georgia St and/or Charlotte each year would be wise; neither will be any good for some time and they play in the South's two largest metropolitan areas. San Jose St serves a similar purpose for a West Coast presence. While playing SMU and TCU is more prestigious for the Black Knights of the Hudson, North Texas would be an easier game ans also gets them in the Dallas/Ft Worth market. Army definitely needs to have a national schedule and I think conference membership would be bad for them but they need to play the easiest national schedule their AD can make.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 9:45 am 
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fighting muskie wrote:
Maybe Army needs to consider this scheduling model:

Navy
Air Force
an FCS school
the 9 worst FBS schools they can find.

That way they would get some wins and bring some respectability to the program.

Army shouldn't be scheduling anyone that they dont have at least a 50/50 chance of beating. They can still keep a modicum of academic prestige by scheduling schools like Tulane, Rice, and Miami (OH). They also need to be thinking about getting into major markets. Scheduling Georgia St and/or Charlotte each year would be wise; neither will be any good for some time and they play in the South's two largest metropolitan areas. San Jose St serves a similar purpose for a West Coast presence. While playing SMU and TCU is more prestigious for the Black Knights of the Hudson, North Texas would be an easier game ans also gets them in the Dallas/Ft Worth market. Army definitely needs to have a national schedule and I think conference membership would be bad for them but they need to play the easiest national schedule their AD can make.


Navy, Air Force, Temple, UMass, NE D1AA, Eastern Michigan, Tulane, Rice, SMU, Miami OH, San Jose, Wake Forest, Duke, Vanderbilt, FAU / FIU for Florida exposure, Georgia St, Charlotte, and Old Dominion make for a winnable schedule. Just stick with Sunbelt, CUSA, AAC, MWC, and MAC bottom feeders. I think the old AD Navy policy was 4 games we should win, 4 games we can win, and 4 games we hope to win for an annual schedule before Navy joined the AAC. That type of scheduling produced at least 6&6 or 7&5 seasons and a post season bowl year after year.

Still think Army could be competitive in the MAC or Sunbelt with a soft OOC schedule if they had a desire to join a conference again or were forced to join a conference down the road and give up being an independent for FB.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 9:02 pm 
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I think Duke, Wake, and Vandy are too hard for Army. I think they need to stick with non-power 5 opponents.


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