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 Post subject: C-USA #12
PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 3:05 pm 
Has anyone heard specifics on proposals for Army-Navy combination as football-only 12th member of C-USA? There are several questions I have...

1) Would the Army-Navy game be considered a conference game?

2) Would the NCAA consider C-USA to have 12 members and hold a conference championship game?

3) Why would the service academies want to play any "conference games" against schools other than Rice, SMU, Tulane, and perhaps Tulsa?

Granted, Marshall has been on Army's schedule in recent years, and West Point has been a member of C-USA with UAB, ECU, Houston, Memphis, USM, and Tulane, but none of those matchups seem to resonate besides Tulane, and possibly ECU.

Now surely C-USA would be able to retain a better name recogniton from an Army-Navy combination than it would from say, Louisiana Tech, Temple, or UTEP...but the logistics of such a "dual membership" seem rather complicated, and it would seem as though the service academies would desire certain preferences in the scheduling of opponents. I am personally torn as to what the best situation would be, but I personally don't think that the Texas schools (esp. SMU) would appreciate a membership offer to UNT if one were to even be considered. Also, Temple would have some serious questions to ask of itself in the event that its membership were considered, as would UTEP...LTU's acceptance into C-USA would be good for LTU, as well as the WAC, but would it be best for C-USA? Speculations regarding Louisiana-Lafayette are not even worthy of discussion in this regard...


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 Post subject: C-USA #12
PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 3:43 pm 
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Louisiana would ENHANCE CUSA's Basketball, Baseball, Softball.....Football is about to take off. 2nd place in THE BELT last season. Won 4 of the last 5 games. MAJOR rebuilding job being done by everyone involved.

LTU - women's Basketball, maybe Football, but that gap is rapidly closing

As I said in another thread, CUSA would be nice, but we will take care of ourselves no matter what.

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 Post subject: C-USA #12
PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 3:58 pm 
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1) Would the Army-Navy game be considered a conference game?

2) Would the NCAA consider C-USA to have 12 members and hold a conference championship game?

3) Why would the service academies want to play any "conference games" against schools other than Rice, SMU, Tulane, and perhaps Tulsa?



1) IF they were allowed joint membership, I would imagine it would count. I doubt it will happen. Use this year as an example (suppose TCU & USM don't play head-to-head): USM gets Navy, TCU gets Army. USM loses, TCU wins. TCU takes first place. Is that fair?

2) My bet would be that the NCAA would not count the joint membership as a 12th team. The whole ACC thing taught us that the NCAA isn't too lenient when it comes to championship games.

3) The service academies don't want all the conference games. Yet another reason why it won't work.


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 Post subject: C-USA #12
PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 5:30 pm 
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Has anyone heard specifics on proposals for Army-Navy combination as football-only 12th member of C-USA
The only proposals like that are from board posters trying to make a simple situation very complicated.

Army was sick of all the travelling to the south and home games against teams no one in the northeast cared about, so they left CUSA.

There is no chance that they go back to that, and Navy is sure to learn from Army's example and stay away as well.

I think there are enough Big East teams willing to play them that they can make up a schedule that better fills their stadiums and allows fans easy travel to a few away games.


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 Post subject: C-USA #12
PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 5:53 pm 
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Earthx, agreed and someday Navy and/or Army may have some federated alignment with Big East teams in football. Both teams were in the mix for BE expansion during the summer and may eventually end up there.

If I were East Carolina, Marshall, and Memphis would push for Temple. All four would make a grand slam if the Big East took a leap into the 12 team conference world.

If I were Houston, Rice, SMU, Tulsa would push for UTEP or North Texas. If the the eastern Conf USA teams move more east, a south western footprint may be best for a regional conference.

If I were Tulane, Southern Miss, UAB, CFU would push for Louisiana Tech.

Could be a tie for votes on Texas team versis a Louisiana team.



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 Post subject: C-USA #12
PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2004 9:25 am 
Trustees weigh Rice without football

By TODD ACKERMAN
Copyright 2004 Houston Chronicle May 5, 2004, 6:42AM

Rice University trustees said Tuesday they favor staying in NCAA Division I sports, but they released a consultant's report whose workable options include dropping football.

In a statement issued with the 104-page report, trustees invited input about concerns involving the level at which Rice should participate and an annual $10 million athletics deficit that "must be brought under control." The statement indicates they have made no decision.

"At this point, the sense of the board is that Rice should continue to compete at the Division I level based on demonstrated success," said the statement. It then asked what the Rice community thinks is the best level, given the report's data.

Trustees plan to complete the review this month, the statement said. Input is invited until May 17.

The report, produced by the management consulting firm McKinsey & Co., lists four "viable" options, three of which would dramatically change Rice athletics: remain in Division I-A; drop to Division I-AA and eliminate football scholarships; drop to Division I-AAA and end football altogether; or drop to Division III, which prohibits all scholarships.

"There are, however, no easy answers for Rice," the report said. It made no recommendations but wrote favorably about the I-AAA option.

It said moving to I-AAA would transform Rice athletics by eliminating football, the program that requires the most admissions trade-offs and is the single largest contributor to the economic deficit. Under this option, said the report, Rice could shave about $3.4 million off its annual shortfall and improve its overall athletic grade-point average.

"I-AAA should be viewed as an opportunity to bow out of the football `arms race,' build more competitive teams in other sports and actively work to achieve broad athletic excellence on par with Rice's academic reputation," the report said.

Rice Athletic Director Bobby May said he was pleased to get the report but was not comforted that trustees favor staying in Division I, because they didn't specify which level. He expressed concern that they might opt to drop football.

"I hope there's a strong response from Rice athletic supporters that Division I-A is where we should remain," said May. "That's where we've always been, and that's what helps make Rice what it is."

May said it's important that the trustees' review be finished as soon as possible, because the perception that Rice could drop football or move to a less competitive level can be "damaging."

Faculty council speaker Ed Akin said he believes trustees will carefully review the issue and keep an open mind, even though they're strongly leaning against Division III. The faculty council released a poll Monday showing that a majority of professors favor Division III or an Ivy League-style conference that doesn't award scholarships.

The McKinsey report's biggest booster was history professor Thomas Haskell, a longtime critic of athletics and a member of the faculty council that also recently released a report criticizing the academic and financial costs of athletics.

"The McKinsey report is an extraordinary document, far more incisive and illuminating than anything I had dared hope for," said Haskell, adding that it "fearlessly" explores the consequences of all options. "It brings reason to bear where cult and dogma usually rule."

If Rice is to remain in Division I-A, said the report, it should work to improve fund raising and athletic performance. It also should increase athletes' academic qualifications; better integrate the athletic department (including its budget, management and student services) into the rest of the university; and set well-defined expectations for the cost of competition, specifically admissions trade-offs and finances.

Among the "less attractive options" the report listed were dropping to Division II or III except in baseball, moving everything to Division II, switching to the National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics, or eliminating formal intercollegiate athletics altogether in favor of club sports.

The board's statement also asked for input about a student-faculty recreation and convocation center, which also would serve as a venue for intercollegiate basketball and volleyball; and concerns about the admissions process for athletes and the need for better integration of athletes into student life.


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