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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:29 pm 
If Tulane is struggling to keep their sports programs going in the after math of Katrina now then they will certainly pursue their programs next year. Until the university makes an announcement this type of speculation and yellow journalism is nothing more than pure garbage.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 4:22 pm 
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If you think this smacks of irresponsible journalism, look around you.

The vultures circle over the whole mess, on every subject imaginable.

NBA Oklahoma City, NFL San Antonio, the race to rebuild casinos, upstate Louisiana politicians and extremely far outposts all over the country looking to find ways to keep residents who fled... I'm pretty sure you'll even find attempts towards significant Mardi Gras alternative locations in the 48.

I hate to say "get used to it," but an alternative fails me. We've learned to be the vultures.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 6:32 pm 
We know Tulane has a very difficult situation before them. Something that was not said, but may be a factor, is how much money they be drawing in as a result of the Katrina disaster. One wonders how much certain benefactors will open their pocketbooks, what relief grants are forthcoming, and other money that may be headed their way in contrast to their lost revenues and other expenses that cannot be recovered that were available under normal circumstances.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 6:56 pm 
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Comment about Tulane at Navy:

Tulane's trip to Navy on Saturday will be on the house -- literally. The academy increased the Green Wave's guarantee for the road game by $50,000 to nearly $125,000 and paid it in advance to cover airfare, hotel rooms and ground transportation. Tulane students will be admitted free and players will receive goody bags full of food, beverages and amenities, such as toilet paper. ...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/cory_mccartney/11/02/conference.calls/1.html

I wonder what will happen. Will be a shame if they have to drop FB......


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:31 pm 
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As sad as it is for Tulane, Rice is also considering dropping football. The non BCS smart schools are having a hard time keeping up with the state supported schools and factor in admission standards and it spells doom for schools like Rice and Tulane.

Maybe the BCS can offer some money to help out Tulane as charity. One of the BCS at large bids could go to the Conf USA champion and all proceeds go to restoring Tulane sports. Oh forgot this is not a perfect world.

I think Conf USA should stick to 10 members and build strong rivals with 10 football members if Rice and Tulane do in fact drop football.

Who knows what two teams could be available for membership in a few years.

Maybe TCU and Utah will be wanting to jump to Conf USA.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:47 am 
TCU just left CUSA for the greener pastures of the MWC. Why on earth would they suddenly want to come back to CUSA ? Clearly geography isn't a priamry concern to TCU.

Why would Utah prefer CUSA, when the MWC would have a better chance at garnering a BCS berth ?

To see who wants to join CUSA, you have to look DOWN the food chain.... to teh WAC, to the SunBelt.

The answers are right there.
1) La Tech (stranded on a geographical island in the WAC,when their comrades SMU, Rice, Tulsa, and later UTEP moved to CUSA) would jump in a heartbeat.
2) North Texas (a growing school with perennially the best FB program in the Sun-Belt), very convenient to move up into a league with other 2nd tier Texas schools.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:34 pm 
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Dave, you are right on the money.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 11:22 am 
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Dave/Westwolf, I basically do no not see much difference in MWC and Conf USA especially for all sports. The only difference in MWC is having exclusive markets in some states that could help with future football contracts. MWC has a little better attendance, however, Wyoming is mid major at best for attendance.

It all started last year with MWC getting some much BCS buildup because Utah was have a superior year.

Well Utah has lost its coach and resorted back to pre Myer days.

Conf USA has better bowl deals. Conf USA is probably about as good in basketball. Conf USA has just as large TV markets.

Its the BE bashers that want to build up the MWC so high to try to discredit the BE BCS automatic bid, otherwise no body outside of the MWC region give a crap about the MWC. Oh wait if they did the MWC would have an automatic bid already.

TCU is just like their mascot and will jump again when the right opportunity exist. TCU just panicked and moved to the MWC when Louisville and Cincinnati bailed. Otherwise, TCU would never have moved to the MWC in the first place.

I say TCU would be more interested in which conference can get to the BCS bowl first. Right now, the odds are Conf USA has as much chance as any MWC.

TCU would jump to the BE tomorrow if an offer was on the table.

So again tell me why the MWC is so much better than Conf USA?



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 1:04 pm 
My issue with the BCS is getting the best teams into the mix, not solely the matter of conference representation.

Obviously certain conferences are firmly the elite and others are more or less under scrutiny since the BCS system often renders a controversy at the end each season.

There are 11 1-A conferences of which 6 are BCS. There are 3 independents of which one is a party to the BCS. 65 schools out of 119 are in a conference with direct BCS access. Add ND, and that is 66. 51 conference-member schools, plus 2 independents, have an avenue to the BCS, but it is not assured by winning a conference title and is conditioned on meeting other criteria including achieving a very lofty ranking.

Of the the 6 BCS conferences, 3 have 12 members and a championship game. Another has 10 members and another has 11 members. Still another, the BE, has eight and has been playing one extra OOC game during the regular season. It is not a matter of just asking what conference size is best; it is simply inconsistency and that does not imply equity.

Partisans who are discrediting the MWC are at the same time giving the conference much attention, even if negative, which in turn emboldens MWC supporters. They are entitled to play the system if allowed and have the means. There is always the next in line, i. e. C-USA or the WAC perhaps? Partial accommodation doesn't end the controversy. The Tulane President had a worthy initiative that impacted, or perhaps improved, the system in a marginal way.

The problem is the system; it gets reactionary tweaking while protecting those already a part of it. That doesn't fix it though.

If being 1-A is a classification scheme that has multiple levels of value, then a new classification arrangement needs to be devised that is distinct and not messy.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 3:51 pm 
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Dognthings, we already have that classification and the top division is BCS and second is the other division 1 schools. No need to come up with a different control mechanizm when you got the best one in place.

Pounder made a good point on the womens soccer thread of how BCS schools get top treatment.

BCS is the modern day division 1A and every other school is division 1AA.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 4:43 pm 

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Dognthings, we already have that classification and the top division is BCS and second is the other division 1 schools. No need to come up with a different control mechanizm when you got the best one in place.


Shall it be assume that the bottom school in a BCS conference is superior to the top school in a non-BCS conference? Think not, and computer rankings even demonstrate this. There are arguably a dozen or more 1-AA schools consistently performing better than a number of those in BCS conferences.

The BCS has the five, maybe six, top conferences contained therein; but as to rank and file schools, it is not clearcut.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 7:25 am 
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NO the BE is clearly superior the MWC and CUSA.The statement they are equal is pure fanatic crap.Except for Rice ,Tulane and SMU,the majority of mwc cusa schools are clearly inferior to the BE.The BE is a BCS conference and its football programs are ranked ahead of both the mwc and cusa.In other sports namely bb mwc andcusa are clearly sub standard to the BE.As far as marketplaces they are also inferior to the BE.Forget it mountain worthless and conference useless.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 9:23 am 
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The BE has several more years of reprieve during which it will
squeeze its lower rated teams into the BCS. By 2007-2008 one of 3 things will have happened:

1. The BE will have strenghtened itself through expansion or affiliation to the point that it continues to get into the BCS

2. It will cease to qualify for BCS inclusion

3. The BCS will blow up of its own accord, and the bowls will go back to making their own deals, with the strongest and richest bowls picking teams from the power conferences + ND.

Only the first would be propitious for the BE.


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