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 Post subject: Navy to MAC?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 10:14 am 
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Since Navy seems to be downplaying speculation of being the ninth team in the Big East for football, could they become the 14th team in the MAC for football?

East - Temple, Navy, Buffalo, Akron, Kent, Miami-OH, Ohio
West - WMU, CMU, EMU, Ball State, Northern Illinois, Toledo, Bowling Green

Having Navy on board would probably help the MAC in securing bowl berths.


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 Post subject: Navy to MAC?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:38 am 
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 Post subject: Navy to MAC?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:46 pm 
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Agreed it will not be the Mac, however, Navy is thinking Conf Usa.

Apparently from the attached article, Navy is wanting to join a conference and is probably jocking to get a full Big East football only invitation.

http://www.examiner.com/a-881765~Navy_mulls_potential_conference_move.html

Annapolis (Map, News) - Navy athletics director Chet Gladchuck doesn’t want a conference affiliation for his football team, but he said he may not have a choice.

Gladchuck said Navy has no bowl agreement beyond this year’s Poinsettia Bowl in San Diego, and the complex tie-in between bowl games and conferences makes it more difficult each year for Navy to schedule a postseason game.

Joining a conference comes with considerable concessions for Navy, which as an independent, develops its schedule and keeps all the money it generates from broadcast rights, ticket sales and other revenue streams.

“You’ve got to look at it two ways,” Gladchuck said. “Where are we today and is it working? But, you also have to be concerned about down the road. Dynamics can change in short order.

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We’re comfortable today because we’re filling up the stadium, we’re playing a quasi-national stadium where we can play whoever we want. We have a great television package and a quality radio network. We have had tie-ins with bowl games and it’s working. Now, will it work tomorrow, I’m not sure.”

Gladchuck said since Navy’s resurgence in football four years ago, it has been fortunate to secure bowl invitations. In 2003, the Southeastern Conference’s University of South Carolina failed to qualify for the Houston Bowl, which opened a spot for Navy because the SEC didn’t have any more bowl eligible teams. In 2004, Gladchuck made a deal to get Navy into the Emerald Bowl in San Francisco.

Then in 2005, the inaugural Poinsettia Bowl wanted Navy because of its large following in San Diego. Finally last year, the Meineke Car Care Bowl made a one-year agreement with Navy to play in Charlotte, N.C., instead of taking its usual Big East team.

“The one area we have been able to manage, but not control, is the bowl structure,” Gladchuck said. “By managing that structure, we’ve been able to find five straight bowl games, but not being able to control it plays into us looking for a conference affiliation or trying to survive as an independent.”

Navy football coach Paul Johnson said a conference affiliation would not impact how he recruits. But he is concerned a wrong move could become a detriment to the program. He cited a rumored quasi-membership into the Big East as an example. Johnson and Gladchuk refused to comment specifically which conference would be most attractive, but the Big East Conference and Conference USA are the closest fits both competitively and geographically. The Atlantic Coast Conference is filled with football teams superior to Navy’s.

“You want to be able to compete and make sure the conference is the right fit,” Johnson said, “The Big East doesn’t make much sense since we don’t have a lot in common with those schools and we don’t recruit the same kind of players.”

One potential short-term answer for Navy is a playing in a new bowl game in Baltimore in December of 2008. The Camden Yards Sports and Entertainment Commission considers Navy a prime candidate for the game, according to Wayne Edwards, the commission’s sports committee chairman.

Edwards said he is dealing with many of the same obstacles as Navy.

“Many conferences have tie-ins going seven teams deep,” Edwards said. “There just aren’t a lot of possibilities right now. Navy is a great fit, but we need an opponent for them and a backup in case they aren’t eligible.”


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 Post subject: Navy to MAC?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:30 pm 
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Lash, thanks for sharing the post.

Navy as a BIG EAST member for fb only would make sense for the immediate future. It would offer the 9th fb program for competition and balance fb scheduling. Such a move would not disrupt Navy's Patriot League membership for bb and related. That would not be the case for a situation involving ECU or UCF who would have to think twice about being dropped from C-USA bb and scramble for a new bb league that could potentially offer less.

Navy, has strong name recognition and the ideal location for the Big East. While their fb fortune can have long down periods, the same can be said of most programs that are not among the most elite.

If Navy played 8 conference games, they would have 4 at-large to schedule Army and Air Force as part of the mix. If Notre Dame is kept on the schedule, then basically they would have only one slot to rotate----the "Delaware" type for their schedule.

If Navy made such a move, I see Army moving as the MAC's 14th fb team. That would make sense too.

I believe the Big East will try the 9th fb only team before they focus on a split. While hybrid designs have posed problems for the Big East before, they seem totally willing to allow it to continue. They are banking on "no more raids" from other BCS conferences, knowing that their BCS neighbor conferences have peaked in membership other than the possibility of the BIG TEN adding one. And if the BIG TEN ever ends up with Notre Dame someday, it can only mean the BIG EAST is given a bit more flexibility as to their own membership. Losing Notre Dame bb from the BIG EAST would be no great loss considering the strength and depth of BIG EAST bb.


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 Post subject: Navy to MAC?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 11:39 am 
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Louisvillecard01, totally agree Navy to the Big East for full football membership has many benefits. I would add Army as well to bring both Academies into the Big East for 10 football members. Army may be down at the moment, however, they are in the Big East footprint and is close travel for other Big East football schools.

Since Navy is apparently interested in conference membership, the time just feels right for the the Big East to make a move.

Since the 4x4 was already discussed and did not work out because of obvious reasons, there is a much better chance to get Army and Navy if full membership is provided.

This would provide a 9 game Big East conference football schedule and reduce the need to find good mid tier BCS schools or top non BCS schools for scheduling purposes.

If the Big East loses a school to the Big Ten someday, having both Army and Navy as full members would reduce the difficulties that would come with such a move. In fact the Big East would not have to take any action and could resume with 9 football schools. The 15 members in basketball could play four cross over games to make up the 18 game BB schedule.

My pick for the 14th MAC school is UMass. UMass should quickly explore moving up to 1A and joining the MAC.

Both Temple and UMass could position themselves for better opportunities down the road someday if the Big East wanted to expand to 12 football schools with 4 football only members.

For now, the Big East should move quickly while Navy is interested and grab both Army and Navy as full football only members.

This type of move would look good for the Big East and not have any raid type issues and bring very good academic schools into the football conference as well as helping with future TV football negotiations.







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 Post subject: Navy to MAC?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 4:04 pm 
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I'd agree that the MAC is the likely destination for UMass football should they pursue the upgrade. However, the NCAA has placed a moratorium on division changes (all schools who have begun the formal process are allowed to continue-schools in the formal exploratory year can still back out without penalty), so it would be at least 2012 before UMass could play the highest level of college football, and 2014 before they would count as a Bowl Subdivision opponent (assuming the rules don't change).

If UMass does upgrade, it would be nice to see UMass and Temple spearhead the effort to form a new Atlantic 10 football league. Enough schools such as Charlotte, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, Stony Brook, Appalachian State, Old Dominion, and Virginia Commonwealth have made enough football-related noise for this to be possible. Even some football-only memberships from outside the A-10 footprint could be used in the interim.

But back to Navy . . .

If they join, I think it puts more pressure on Army to join a conference. A Big East with nine or ten teams would still allow Army and Navy to play each other in week 14 as well.


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 Post subject: Navy to MAC?
PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:47 am 
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wbyeager, thanks for the update on NCAA rule for moving up to the Bowl Division. I am surprised UMass did not start the process. I think UMass approached the Big East sometime last year about the possibilities of joining the Big East for football. The Big East declined and this may be the reason UMass decided not to make the move for now.

It does make sense for another Bowl Division Conference taking some teams from the Northeast.

UMass, Temple, SUNY Stony Brook, Delaware, Villanova, James Madison, Appl State, Georgia Southern would all appear to be able to support another non BCS Bowl Division conference taking teams primary from New England to Georgia.

The champion of this conference would make a nice bowl line up for the Big East in either the proposed Big Apple in NYC or new proposed bowl planned for Washington DC.

Likewise agree if Navy decided to join the Big East that Army would follow as well. Both of these schools would fit nicely into the Big East as football only members.

Back to the MAC, Maybe the MAC should consider 16 members with 8 team divisions. This may encourage teams to join as full members.

The MAC could move Bowling Green and Miami Oh to the west division.

The MAC east could be made up of Ohio, Akron, Kent State, Suny Buffalo, Suny Stony Brook, Temple, UMass, Delaware.

This lineup may encourage Temple and UMass to conisder full membership as Ohio and Kent State are not bad basketball programs.

As for football, the MAC could really make some noise in the future bringing in serveral big eastern state supported schools such as UMass, Delaware, and Suny Brook. Factor in Suny Buffalo that is already a member and the exposure potential could be a major plus down the road.





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 Post subject: Navy to MAC?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:06 am 
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BTW, Florida Gulf Coast University was looking at going 1A and they estimated that it was going to cost them $100 million (my apologies if this was already posted)

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2007/aug/19/college_sports_southwest_florida_fgcu_one_year_clo/?sports

It would take a minimum of $50 million to build a stadium today, more likely toward $100 million to do it first-class. McAloose figures it would take an additional $10 million to start the program and at least $5 million per year for scholarship and salary funding.

McAloose said the student population likely would need to be around 20,000-25,000 to support the sport, about triple the current enrollment.


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 Post subject: Navy to MAC?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:31 pm 
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I agree with those that do not believe that Navy will be joining the MAC anytime soon.
Also,article from BlackKnight country with quote from Army AD regarding the chances of Army joining the MAC any time soon at http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070902/SPORTS/709020349/-1/SPORTS


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