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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 10:47 pm 
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That only makes sense if you think the MWC will get BCS without BSU. If not, then the MWC should not charge anyone anything for a yes vote.


They don't think they'll get it w/o Boise but Utah and BYU don't care because they are as good as gone in 2012 or 2013. The AQ wouldn't take affect until 2012. I hope that Boise gets the invite this summer, but I'm worried they won't because of that. I hope the rest of the MWC wise up and vote yes, so it doesn't matter that UU/BYU are trying to F them

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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 8:44 am 
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Fresno St. Alum wrote:

They don't think they'll get it w/o Boise but Utah and BYU don't care because they are as good as gone in 2012 or 2013. The AQ wouldn't take affect until 2012. I hope that Boise gets the invite this summer, but I'm worried they won't because of that. I hope the rest of the MWC wise up and vote yes, so it doesn't matter that UU/BYU are trying to F them

There is still no guarantee that TCU, BYU, or Utah is gone. Maybe there is a good chance, but nothing in stone yet. And BYU chance of
leaving is smallest of the 3.


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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 10:06 am 
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You almost have to wonder WHAT Boise State will be joining....

If the Big Ten steals teams from the Big XII, If the PAC takes Utah and Colorado
(both conferences looking seriously at expansion)....
If Texas & TA&M leave the Big XII, what happens to the MWC ?

Do they merge with the Big XII remnants ?
Do the Big XII remnants merge with CUSA West ?
Does it get to a situation where the MWC and WAC remnants consider merger ?

With all this going on, it might make sense for BSU to sit tight until all that shakes out.
BSU lost very few seniors in FB this off-season, and could be a Top 5 team this coming year.
They should remain attractive, at least while Chris Peterson remains.

Right now, the situation has shifted. Before, BSU was groveling for n invitation. Now it is the MWC that has a need for what only BSU can provide....

This next expansion shake-out has the chance to be utterly crazy, and the final outcome may depend upon who is most aggressive.


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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 12:53 pm 
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Tute,

If BSU joins the MWC, and the MWC gets a BCS autobid, then they'll have it for 4 years regardless of membership. If the MWC lost even 4 teams, which is a lot...they can just add 4 more teams from the WAC/CUSA (like Nevada, Fresno, Idaho, Utah St). Depending on who is left over, BSU could still find themselves in a good regional conference for them. Would they have an autobid in 5 years, maybe not. But they don't have 1 now in the WAC nor does it look like they ever will.

MWC if they lost Utah, BYU, TCU, New Mexico over next 4 years:

Fresno St., Nevada, UNLV, SDSU, Boise St., Idaho, Utah St., Wyoming, Colorado St., Air Force

Or even:
WEST: Fresno St., SDSU, Nevada, UNLV, NMSU, Air Force
MOUNTAIN: Boise St., Idaho, Montana, Utah St., Wyoming, Colorado St.




I think the very fact that the desired WAC teams want to be in the MWC, the numbers are there for MWC to survive even if they lost as many as 4 teams.

The reality though, it that the number would more be 2 (Utah to Pac-10, BYU or TCU to B12...if B12 lost 2, then probably both go....but if B12 loses 3, I think you might see a CUSA school added as the 3rd). New Mexico or UNLV make sense for a 3rd option, but it pushes the footprint out west when after losing schools, the conference might look to refocus on lost areas.

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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 2:39 pm 
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Quinn, B12 commish already came out and said they want any replacement to come from a NEW market. UT/A&M cover Dallas/Ft Worth and Houston. So unless those 2 leave TCU won't be let in. I don't buy them leaving either. The B10 would have offered the invite in june if UT said yes already. If they lose 3, that means P10 took UU/CU and probably BYU, New Mexico, and Colorado St.(replaces Denver even though they don't have the same clout, neither does CU because they aren't the Broncos) to the B12.

Those 4 would likely be replaced by these 4...Boise St., Houston, Fresno St., Nevada. If 10 is what they want I see UTEP or Hawaii over the others even thought they may not want that trip to Hawaii, thus UTEP could be 10. Maybe Utah St. has a shot to get them back into Utah. NMSU? They don't need to get back into NM. UTEP is right on the border anyway.

P4L, I think you over estimate the no Sun for BYU. They were already a finalist for the B12 when it started. They moved the B12 tourney championship to Sat. When they were in the WAC with us we just played a double header on Sat. or they came on Thurs instead of Fri.

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FSA, I think you might give more credit to Colorado St. then most. While they'd be a good bridge between Kansas/KSU and BYU, even the CSU fans don't think the B12 would ever be a reality. And if the B12 wanted new markets, there is always the eastern/southern push into those population thick states. It's not a stretch to think if the Big 12 needed 3 teams that they could look at schools like Memphis & Louisville along with the standard MWC option of BYU. I think there are fine options to the West like UNM and UNLV but I have to at least consider that the Big 12 could look east too.

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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 4:22 pm 
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I had UNM. Yes Memphis and Louisville are options too. I'm saying TCU isn't with UT/A&M in the B12. I also wonder if they would want to go part west part east instead of all east or all west. Louisville to BYU is far. UNLV is also an option if the B12 school are willing to travel that far west. You could put Air Force and Boise St. as options too I guess.

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Article out of Boise with comments from Utah President and others regarding possible MWC expansion at http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/05/2 ... n-men.html


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MWC MB discussing above posted linked article out of Boise regarding possible MWC expansion at http://www.mwcboard.com/www/forums/inde ... opic=24412


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Column out of Honolulu discussing possibility of MWC expansion announcement during the upcoming league meetings.Link at http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/artic ... +expansion


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SI column discussing BSU to the MWC at http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/w ... index.html


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Article out of Boise discussing possible MWC invite for BSU,perhaps next week.Link at http://www.ktvb.com/news/A-Mountain-Wes ... 70489.html


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 8:24 pm 
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I just made a tweet about the MWC (http://twitter.com/ncaasports)

With all the Pac-16 talk, the silent winner if anything like this happens has got to be the MWC. They might find themselves in a position to not just ass Boise St. for the BCS autobid, but also to be able to gain Kansas and Kansas St. If for some reason the Pac-10 took Kansas instead of Texas Tech, they'd still be a nice addition to the MWC family.

All of a sudden, you could have:
East: TCU, Kansas, Kansas St., Colorado St., Air Force, Wyoming
West: SDSU, UNLV, Boise St., Utah, BYU, New Mexico

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:38 am 
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Boise St. looks like they'll be in a holding pattern

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/06/0 ... turns.html

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MWC has decided not to expand at this time.

They hope to get CU, KU, KSU I guess. I still think CU ends up in the Pac 10 and KU & KSU prefer a BE/B12 leftover hybrid but who knows now.

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