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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:02 am 
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Don't have time to look up the number but...

The article says Hawaii only has a 2.2 mil deficit.

IIRC they are paying the MWC 800k/yr in travel subsidies (and the Big West 1mil/yr too).

That means w/o the MWC travel subsidies Hawaii should only be running a 400k deficit (the Big West one will be covered by the extra million a year they are getting thanks to the playoff). In addition, the MWC's TV deal will be valueable when it comes due in a few years and I expect all the schools to receive a moderate bump over their current crappy CBS deal.

I think this is more of an attempt on Hawaii's part just to get the MWC to drop their travel subsidies. They realized that they can threaten to drop fb and the MWC would have to replace them with an inferior conference member in all sports in order to keep their CCG.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:49 pm 
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tkalmus wrote:
I think this is more of an attempt on Hawaii's part just to get the MWC to drop their travel subsidies. They realized that they can threaten to drop fb and the MWC would have to replace them with an inferior conference member in all sports in order to keep their CCG.


That's an interesting thought. I think the MWC calls their bluff though. It won't be Idaho or New Mexico St or even Montana they would replace them with. UTEP or UTSA will get the call. Those programs will be just as strong as the Rainbow Warriors and not half an ocean away.

I really hope that the Hawaii football program doesn't go under. It would be a shame for a program that has survived this long out on the islands to shut down.


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fighting muskie wrote:
tkalmus wrote:
I think this is more of an attempt on Hawaii's part just to get the MWC to drop their travel subsidies. They realized that they can threaten to drop fb and the MWC would have to replace them with an inferior conference member in all sports in order to keep their CCG.


That's an interesting thought. I think the MWC calls their bluff though. It won't be Idaho or New Mexico St or even Montana they would replace them with. UTEP or UTSA will get the call. Those programs will be just as strong as the Rainbow Warriors and not half an ocean away.

I really hope that the Hawaii football program doesn't go under. It would be a shame for a program that has survived this long out on the islands to shut down.


I would put New Mexico st. as the team most likely to be added as a full team invite.This would be due to New Mexico states basketball program. If this would happen would the Sun Belt stay at 10 teams?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:06 pm 
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fighting muskie wrote:
tkalmus wrote:
I think this is more of an attempt on Hawaii's part just to get the MWC to drop their travel subsidies. They realized that they can threaten to drop fb and the MWC would have to replace them with an inferior conference member in all sports in order to keep their CCG.


That's an interesting thought. I think the MWC calls their bluff though. It won't be Idaho or New Mexico St or even Montana they would replace them with. UTEP or UTSA will get the call. Those programs will be just as strong as the Rainbow Warriors and not half an ocean away.

I really hope that the Hawaii football program doesn't go under. It would be a shame for a program that has survived this long out on the islands to shut down.


I would put New Mexico st. as the team most likely to be added as a full team invite.This would be due to New Mexico states basketball program. If this would happen would the Sun Belt stay at 10 teams?


New Mexico would have to lobby for their little brother to get in and historically the Lobos have always held the Aggies at an arm's length. I think it would require political pressure in the state legislature to get them in the MWC should an opening occur.

In the event that this did happen I wouldn't be surprised if the Sunbelt dumped Idaho. They really make no sense as an SBC affiliate except that Karl Benson feels guilty he ran the WAC into the ground before jumping to the SBC (he seems just as incompetent at his new post as his old one). Idaho adds no depth to the SBC. I wouldn't be surprised if they go 0-8 in SBC games this year.


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tkalmus wrote:
Don't have time to look up the number but...

The article says Hawaii only has a 2.2 mil deficit.

IIRC they are paying the MWC 800k/yr in travel subsidies (and the Big West 1mil/yr too).

That means w/o the MWC travel subsidies Hawaii should only be running a 400k deficit (the Big West one will be covered by the extra million a year they are getting thanks to the playoff). In addition, the MWC's TV deal will be valueable when it comes due in a few years and I expect all the schools to receive a moderate bump over their current crappy CBS deal.

I think this is more of an attempt on Hawaii's part just to get the MWC to drop their travel subsidies. They realized that they can threaten to drop fb and the MWC would have to replace them with an inferior conference member in all sports in order to keep their CCG.


I don't know...$2.2 million in the red for a non-major that already doesn't field a number of programs (and has programs in places that aren't the best for other revenues, like Big West basketball), it's legit. Not that they could be trying to get out of the subsidies, but it wasn't like Hawaii was the first replacement school for the MWC. I think they'd have more leverage if they were, but even then, it wouldn't be much or likely.

Temple cut programs to save a "paltry" $3m. $2.2 isn't something to sneeze at.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 7:24 pm 
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Does anyone know Hawaii's total athletic budget, football budget (including MWC travel subsidies), total athletic dept revenue, and football revenue?


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This is an audit from 2012 or 13 on some of the athletic department's administrative spending. You can see what they were spending to work with the likes of certain schools to ship them over to the islands.

I don't know what that $13-14m mark is on p. 7. Administrative or entire AD(seems low for that, though). The document also goes into the travel subsidies and season ticket intake, which, even between 2011 and 2012, was decreasing across the sports.


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