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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 10:58 am 
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San Jose State and Utah State were tapped largely for their media markets, and to put pressure on Comcast. The only other FBS options at the time were NMSU, Idaho, or expand eastward into Texas. The C-USA schools didn't move, so the last two picks were clear.

SJSU makes for a geographically friendly rival of both Nevada and Fresno State as well.


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Ok, SJSU got into the league for their market and proximity to three other schools. Which is decent reasoning for the MWC.

Now, what can the MWC do about SJSU's total lack of competitiveness in bb?
Is it worth it to have the market and fb program in San Jose just to have a severe drawback in another sport?
SJSU only sponsors 5 out of the 8 MWC men's sports(fb, bb, bb, golf, cc). Which is essentially, slightly over half a full member.

The MWC doesn't make the best money in G5...why not try to do what it takes to improve that by improving the quality of programs?


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 12:02 pm 
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I think you all summed up pretty well why San Jose St got in the MWC and why they won't part with them even if their hoops are atrocious. i think MWC membership is going to remain fairly stable for the next several years. No one is really coming after any of these schools. Hawaii might drop football at some point which wouldn't be horrible--they could just replace them with any one of a number of schools--UTEP, Montana, UC Davis, Sacramento St, New Mexico St, Idaho, North Dakota St.

If BYU ever wanted to come back that could create some waves but they seem pretty content with the freedom that independence has...maybe they get tired off trying to woo the Big 12 and see the path to a New Year's 6 game easier in a Group of 5 conference and decide to come home if they can get some favorable clauses in the tv contract and revenue sharing plan.


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There will be another "UAB situation" as the cost of fielding a football program increases over time. Hawaii and San Jose State are both on my watch for "next UAB"...

(in "almost" no order...)

1. Idaho ... this will definitely happen
2. New Mexico State
3. UMass ... very likely to happen
4. Hawaii... over 50% chance within four years
5. San Jose State
6. Northwestern... yes, as in of the Big Ten
7. any Sun Belt school
8. Army, Navy, Air Force all dropping to FCS to compete for National Championships at that level
9. Wake Forest
10. Temple (they have put this to a vote before)
11. Connecticut
12. Eastern Michigan especially (they have put this to a vote before), but any MAC school
13. Southern Miss
14. Washington State
15. Boston College... recently the only P5 vote against student-athlete stipend increases


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 11:25 am 
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If BYU ever wanted to come back that could create some waves but they seem pretty content with the freedom that independence has...maybe they get tired off trying to woo the Big 12 and see the path to a New Year's 6 game easier in a Group of 5 conference and decide to come home if they can get some favorable clauses in the tv contract and revenue sharing plan.


Multiple choice question:
How can the MWC make itself more attractive to entice BYU to rejoin?

1. Drop some programs that are terrible.
2. Add some programs that are really good.
3. Do nothing and hope that the pressure mounts on BYU which forces them back...without change.
4. Drop the worst overall school to make room for BYU.
5. Add affiliates so that the conference sponsors more men's sports...which would add to tv's ability to fill programming. And therefor increase tv revenue.(long shot idea)
6. All of the above.
7. None of the above....the MWC will never look good enough to entice BYU.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 3:37 pm 
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fighting muskie wrote:
If BYU ever wanted to come back that could create some waves but they seem pretty content with the freedom that independence has...maybe they get tired off trying to woo the Big 12 and see the path to a New Year's 6 game easier in a Group of 5 conference and decide to come home if they can get some favorable clauses in the tv contract and revenue sharing plan.


Multiple choice question:
How can the MWC make itself more attractive to entice BYU to rejoin?

1. Drop some programs that are terrible.
2. Add some programs that are really good.
3. Do nothing and hope that the pressure mounts on BYU which forces them back...without change.
4. Drop the worst overall school to make room for BYU.
5. Add affiliates so that the conference sponsors more men's sports...which would add to tv's ability to fill programming. And therefor increase tv revenue.(long shot idea)
6. All of the above.
7. None of the above....the MWC will never look good enough to entice BYU.


You left out the "Entice Gonzaga to join in order to weaken the WCC" option.

I really don't know how you get BYU back; I think that is something that BYU has to decide on their own. Dropping the weaker programs isn't a very good option but when it comes to adding programs that are really good there really isn't any slam dunk additions out there other than BYU. You also have to consider they already have 11 full members and a football affiliate so there really isn't any room to add.


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I have to think that if SDSU and Boise St can get back in...that BYU could get the votes, as well.

The real question is...what kind of situation would BYU be looking for?

As mentioned...there is a lack of history and power available to the MWC for expansion purposes. UTEP is a possibility, but without another Texas school to pair up with them...they might pass on the invite?? Idaho and NMSU....well, we are all aware of their situations. Wichita St or Gonzaga....if Hawaii sticks around, either would improve the bb side of the conference. But, by themselves....not a huge splash by itself. Other than that...they would have to call a school up from FCS or look further away.

So, the options are pretty limited in impact.
BYU might be a tough fish to hook.


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It is time for the Mountain West to start throwing its weight around. Right now, the Mountain West and AAC are a close call for "next best". When the Big 12 eventually breaks up, it would soften the blow for Big XII orphans to join "the best available conference" which either the Mountain West or AAC should be striving to clearly become between now and then. So basically, the Mountain West (and AAC) need to start cleaning house. This is how I would clean up the Mountain West...

a) completely get rid of Hawaii
b) bring in ANY Texas school you can get (UTEP, Rice ect.)
c) play nine conference games to less often lose big to power conference teams
d) Boise and Fresno should play the big boys, but only others when truly worthy of being on the same field
e) Mandate that San Jose State field a competitive team and utilize their full potential
f) kick them out if they remain near the bottom in RPI for both money sports
g) replace them with another Texas school

Best case, rid the bottom dwellers. Land: BYU, Texas Tech, Baylor, Iowa State ect. down the road. If feeling up to it, raid the AAC for Tulsa just to flex your muscle and create clear separation from the AAC. It also wouldn't hurt to start financially capitalizing on sending 4 teams to March Madness. Perhaps as early as next year, the Selection Committee is just going to ignore Mountain West RPI ratings. And as long as Connecticut, Temple and Cincinnati win in March they are clearly the better hoops conference.


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Here is an idea, how about the MWC add UTEP and Eastern Washington to get to 14, and then see if BYU wants to become 15 or 16? UTEP is pretty close to New Mexico, and adding Eastern Washington would not be a bad grab either.
What do you think?


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 11:39 am 
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Here is an idea, how about the MWC add UTEP and Eastern Washington to get to 14, and then see if BYU wants to become 15 or 16? UTEP is pretty close to New Mexico, and adding Eastern Washington would not be a bad grab either.
What do you think?


UTEP would be making a lateral move financially...while, giving up their relationship with three Texas schools. I don't see how that could be a good idea.

E. Washington would be a good candidate for the MWC, if, they were alright with the extra travel.


According to Forbes: 2014 Revenue....MWC $31.5 million and CUSA $24.5 million also...Big East(without fb) $50.2 milion. :shock: :shock:


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UTEP and UTSA might make the move easier for UTEP to swallow. Texas schools are all golden for all the Go5 conferences. The MAC would not hesitate to add North Texas if it had the chance. The MAC added Central Florida once, if you need proof of a willingness to shatter their current geographic reach. I wish the MWC would be as aggressive as the AAC when it comes to positioning themselves for the future beyond the Big 12 (2025). As it stands, with Houston and SMU, the AAC has the best chance to add Baylor and TCU in the future. Might that change if the MWC had BYU and UTEP lined up?

Either way, I think you need to start now when it comes to acquiring Big 12 orphans later. Whoever those orphans are, their fanbases will only be able to swallow joining "the next best thing" which right now, the AAC probably is. Hawaii out and BYU in would be a great start for the MWC. Heck, just give BYU whatever they ask for. Bridges burnt? It doesn't matter. BYU might up and join the AAC someday if they feel it's their best move.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:37 pm 
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If and when there is wide-scale realignment among the Power 5 Conferences That results in Big 12 members being left orphaned I don't think it will be a matter of whether the refugees are deciding to join the American or the MWC but rather a matter of that small group (presumably including Iowa St, Baylor, and TCU, but also possibly Kansas St, Kansas, and WVU) choosing which schools from those two conferences it wants to include in a rebuilt Big 12. I think they will cherry pick from both leagues to reach a 12 member alignment.

American frontrunners are Cincinnati, SMU, Houston, UCF, AND USF.
MWC frontrunners are Colorado St, Air Force, and, if they willing to stretch out, Boise St and San Diego St.
BYU is also certainly in the conversation and near the top of the list if not the very top.

We then follow the typical pattern of American restocks from C-USA; C-USA restocks from Sunbelt. The MWC might then be able to reach into Texas and grab UTEP, UTSA, and perhaps others from C-USA or they could stay in their footprint with adds like NMSU, Idaho, Montana, etc.


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