Sun Belt Conference Expansion & Realignment Thread

tkalmus · **Joined:** Fri Sep 10, 2010 11:40 pm **Posts:** 1035

Sun Belt blog with a few ideas on expansion, nothing really that we haven't discussed already but interesting none the less...
http://www.sunbeltfball.com/2011/06/exp ... state.html
http://www.sunbeltfball.com/2011/06/exp ... thern.html
http://www.sunbeltfball.com/2011/06/exp ... state.html
http://www.sunbeltfball.com/2011/06/exp ... state.html
http://www.sunbeltfball.com/2011/06/exp ... -tech.html

TexasTerror · **Joined:** Sun Jun 12, 2011 5:18 pm **Posts:** 90

Two reads from DFW area re: SBC stability...

http://meangreenblog.dentonrc.com/archi ... final.html

http://www.dentonrc.com/sharedcontent/d ... 39014.html

Quinn · **Joined:** Thu Oct 17, 2002 8:05 am **Posts:** 3757

TexasTerror wrote:

Two reads from DFW area re: SBC stability...

http://meangreenblog.dentonrc.com/archi ... final.html

http://www.dentonrc.com/sharedcontent/d ... 39014.html

I must admit, while it made little sense for UNT to consider the WAC in the past, that might change. WAC was all western schools and looked to be having stability issues. That's not really the case anymore.

I thin UNT would be wise to give the WAC a few years with the Texas schools and see how things play out. Because if the WAC can grow to 12-14 schools allowing 6-7 team divisions, UNT would fit in nicely...and compete at a high level right away.

LA Tech
UNT
UTA
Texas St
UTSA
NMSU

Not a bad division compared to what UNT currently deals with.

dbackjon · **Joined:** Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:50 pm **Posts:** 267

Quinn wrote:

TexasTerror wrote:

Two reads from DFW area re: SBC stability...

http://meangreenblog.dentonrc.com/archi ... final.html

http://www.dentonrc.com/sharedcontent/d ... 39014.html

I must admit, while it made little sense for UNT to consider the WAC in the past, that might change. WAC was all western schools and looked to be having stability issues. That's not really the case anymore.

I thin UNT would be wise to give the WAC a few years with the Texas schools and see how things play out. Because if the WAC can grow to 12-14 schools allowing 6-7 team divisions, UNT would fit in nicely...and compete at a high level right away.

LA Tech
UNT
UTA
Texas St
UTSA
NMSU

Not a bad division compared to what UNT currently deals with.

Not at all. They would lose the Florida trips for all sports. 4 of those schools above are easy drives.

Quinn · **Joined:** Thu Oct 17, 2002 8:05 am **Posts:** 3757

dbackjon wrote:

Quinn wrote:

TexasTerror wrote:

Two reads from DFW area re: SBC stability...

http://meangreenblog.dentonrc.com/archi ... final.html

http://www.dentonrc.com/sharedcontent/d ... 39014.html

I must admit, while it made little sense for UNT to consider the WAC in the past, that might change. WAC was all western schools and looked to be having stability issues. That's not really the case anymore.

I thin UNT would be wise to give the WAC a few years with the Texas schools and see how things play out. Because if the WAC can grow to 12-14 schools allowing 6-7 team divisions, UNT would fit in nicely...and compete at a high level right away.

LA Tech
UNT
UTA
Texas St
UTSA
NMSU

Not a bad division compared to what UNT currently deals with.

Not at all. They would lose the Florida trips for all sports. 4 of those schools above are easy drives.

Jon, I get what your saying. But for the example of North Texas, you couldn't be further from being correct here. North Texas has what, 90 football players on their roster. Only 1 player is from Florida, with about 95% from Texas.

That said, you never know, maybe the UNT coaching staff uses the "you'll get a trip to Florida every year" as a means of recruiting those players. If so, than perhaps you're correct.

TexasTerror · **Joined:** Sun Jun 12, 2011 5:18 pm **Posts:** 90

North Texas is in a great position...

They can wait to see how things play out with the WAC, C-USA and Sun Belt. They are in no rush to make a move, because the SBC is not giving them the boot any time soon.

dbackjon · **Joined:** Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:50 pm **Posts:** 267

Quinn wrote:

dbackjon wrote:

Quinn wrote:

TexasTerror wrote:

Two reads from DFW area re: SBC stability...

http://meangreenblog.dentonrc.com/archi ... final.html

http://www.dentonrc.com/sharedcontent/d ... 39014.html

I must admit, while it made little sense for UNT to consider the WAC in the past, that might change. WAC was all western schools and looked to be having stability issues. That's not really the case anymore.

I thin UNT would be wise to give the WAC a few years with the Texas schools and see how things play out. Because if the WAC can grow to 12-14 schools allowing 6-7 team divisions, UNT would fit in nicely...and compete at a high level right away.

LA Tech
UNT
UTA
Texas St
UTSA
NMSU

Not a bad division compared to what UNT currently deals with.

Not at all. They would lose the Florida trips for all sports. 4 of those schools above are easy drives.

Jon, I get what your saying. But for the example of North Texas, you couldn't be further from being correct here. North Texas has what, 90 football players on their roster. Only 1 player is from Florida, with about 95% from Texas.

That said, you never know, maybe the UNT coaching staff uses the "you'll get a trip to Florida every year" as a means of recruiting those players. If so, than perhaps you're correct.

I was agree with your last statement - not at all a bad division, and the losing the Florida trips is a plus

Fresno St. Alum · **Posted:** Thu Jul 21, 2011 2:42 pm

dbackjon wrote:

Quinn wrote:

dbackjon wrote:

Quinn wrote:

TexasTerror wrote:

Two reads from DFW area re: SBC stability...

http://meangreenblog.dentonrc.com/archi ... final.html

http://www.dentonrc.com/sharedcontent/d ... 39014.html

I must admit, while it made little sense for UNT to consider the WAC in the past, that might change. WAC was all western schools and looked to be having stability issues. That's not really the case anymore.

I thin UNT would be wise to give the WAC a few years with the Texas schools and see how things play out. Because if the WAC can grow to 12-14 schools allowing 6-7 team divisions, UNT would fit in nicely...and compete at a high level right away.

LA Tech
UNT
UTA
Texas St
UTSA
NMSU

Not a bad division compared to what UNT currently deals with.

Not at all. They would lose the Florida trips for all sports. 4 of those schools above are easy drives.

Jon, I get what your saying. But for the example of North Texas, you couldn't be further from being correct here. North Texas has what, 90 football players on their roster. Only 1 player is from Florida, with about 95% from Texas.

That said, you never know, maybe the UNT coaching staff uses the "you'll get a trip to Florida every year" as a means of recruiting those players. If so, than perhaps you're correct.

I was agree with your last statement - not at all a bad division, and the losing the Florida trips is a plus

Funny if you look at old posts Quinn says no way would they ever go to the WAC. If they go now, it would be the same reasoning you have ORU joining the lesser conference. Travel. That's it. SBC>SLC 2 aka WAC Jr. What has changed since UTSA/TX St. joined, when everyone said no to UNT thinking WAC. UTA ohhh ohh. Now it's time to move. We all knew long ago that WAC was gonna E/W it. We thought Lamar over UTA and still didn't think UNT would go. UTA is the same market and doesn't even have fb. No reason to move to the WAC over that having to share the same market.
Quinn did that on UCF vs Houston position about who the BE would take. UCF got in a little trouble, now it's all about Houston to the BE, UCF is behind them. This may be true but it's probably more to do w/ USF not wanting them in and Houston not having anyone blocking them if they were ever up for a vote.

Fresno St. Alum · **Posted:** Thu Jul 21, 2011 3:05 pm

You guys may wonder why I'm being a d*ck right now, because we are smarter than all of the blog & news articles that post these ideas that we've shot down already. But now everyone is buying in. Same thing on the A&M vs UT. I posted all of those what ifs that killed the idea last time. Only going indy would break them. They make more by not being Indy remember.

You guys remember when the SJ and Salt Lake news were saying that SJSU and USU were in the MWC. wrong. Logic prevailed.

There's a new one on ncaabbs today talking about UNC/Duke have been talking or looked at by the B1G

Quinn · **Joined:** Thu Oct 17, 2002 8:05 am **Posts:** 3757

dbackjon wrote:

Quinn wrote:

dbackjon wrote:

Quinn wrote:

TexasTerror wrote:

Two reads from DFW area re: SBC stability...

http://meangreenblog.dentonrc.com/archi ... final.html

http://www.dentonrc.com/sharedcontent/d ... 39014.html

I must admit, while it made little sense for UNT to consider the WAC in the past, that might change. WAC was all western schools and looked to be having stability issues. That's not really the case anymore.

I thin UNT would be wise to give the WAC a few years with the Texas schools and see how things play out. Because if the WAC can grow to 12-14 schools allowing 6-7 team divisions, UNT would fit in nicely...and compete at a high level right away.

LA Tech
UNT
UTA
Texas St
UTSA
NMSU

Not a bad division compared to what UNT currently deals with.

Not at all. They would lose the Florida trips for all sports. 4 of those schools above are easy drives.

Jon, I get what your saying. But for the example of North Texas, you couldn't be further from being correct here. North Texas has what, 90 football players on their roster. Only 1 player is from Florida, with about 95% from Texas.

That said, you never know, maybe the UNT coaching staff uses the "you'll get a trip to Florida every year" as a means of recruiting those players. If so, than perhaps you're correct.

I was agree with your last statement - not at all a bad division, and the losing the Florida trips is a plus

Oh, my bad!

Quinn · **Joined:** Thu Oct 17, 2002 8:05 am **Posts:** 3757

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

dbackjon wrote:

Quinn wrote:

dbackjon wrote:

Quinn wrote:

TexasTerror wrote:

Two reads from DFW area re: SBC stability...

http://meangreenblog.dentonrc.com/archi ... final.html

http://www.dentonrc.com/sharedcontent/d ... 39014.html

I must admit, while it made little sense for UNT to consider the WAC in the past, that might change. WAC was all western schools and looked to be having stability issues. That's not really the case anymore.

I thin UNT would be wise to give the WAC a few years with the Texas schools and see how things play out. Because if the WAC can grow to 12-14 schools allowing 6-7 team divisions, UNT would fit in nicely...and compete at a high level right away.

LA Tech
UNT
UTA
Texas St
UTSA
NMSU

Not a bad division compared to what UNT currently deals with.

Not at all. They would lose the Florida trips for all sports. 4 of those schools above are easy drives.

Jon, I get what your saying. But for the example of North Texas, you couldn't be further from being correct here. North Texas has what, 90 football players on their roster. Only 1 player is from Florida, with about 95% from Texas.

That said, you never know, maybe the UNT coaching staff uses the "you'll get a trip to Florida every year" as a means of recruiting those players. If so, than perhaps you're correct.

I was agree with your last statement - not at all a bad division, and the losing the Florida trips is a plus

Funny if you look at old posts Quinn says no way would they ever go to the WAC. If they go now, it would be the same reasoning you have ORU joining the lesser conference. Travel. That's it. SBC>SLC 2 aka WAC Jr. What has changed since UTSA/TX St. joined, when everyone said no to UNT thinking WAC. UTA ohhh ohh. Now it's time to move. We all knew long ago that WAC was gonna E/W it. We thought Lamar over UTA and still didn't think UNT would go. UTA is the same market and doesn't even have fb. No reason to move to the WAC over that having to share the same market.
Quinn did that on UCF vs Houston position about who the BE would take. UCF got in a little trouble, now it's all about Houston to the BE, UCF is behind them. This may be true but it's probably more to do w/ USF not wanting them in and Houston not having anyone blocking them if they were ever up for a vote.

I have and at the current time DO still think the WAC is a step down for UNT. The key is HOW UTSA, TSU and UTA make the conference. If UTSA and Texas St. compete at an equal or better level than Sunbelt schools, it's attractive. Same for UTA once they add football. But the key is the WHEN. In no way would UNT decide this afternoon to join the WAC. It will take years of the new-look WAC PROVING itself. If it is a more attractive option a few years down the road, maybe UNT takes a look.

TexasTerror · **Joined:** Sun Jun 12, 2011 5:18 pm **Posts:** 90

Quinn wrote:

I have and at the current time DO still think the WAC is a step down for UNT. The key is HOW UTSA, TSU and UTA make the conference. If UTSA and Texas St. compete at an equal or better level than Sunbelt schools, it's attractive. Same for UTA once they add football. But the key is the WHEN. In no way would UNT decide this afternoon to join the WAC. It will take years of the new-look WAC PROVING itself. If it is a more attractive option a few years down the road, maybe UNT takes a look.

Agree x 1000...

North Texas is still hoping on a C-USA invite... no reason to leave the Sun Belt unless/until the WAC proves that is viable as a better league and the Texas schools really make a difference in it...

Time will tell...

Fresno St. Alum · **Posted:** Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:09 pm

When UTA starts fb? More like if. Let TT explain the TAMUCC story about fb. If they start fb maybe even if they don't wouldn't UTA now block UNT? Why would they want to share the market(laughable that the have DFW market anyway)? To me UTA being added says they gave up on UNT and settled for UTA.

Even if UNT doesn't get in CUSA they can still justify well, we'll wait to see when the BE goes to 12 then 2 more spots will open or now that say Houston got in BE we'll wait to see if the MWC can snag SMU and UTEP which would surely open a spot for us. If UNT turns it around they may be attractive to the MWC. MWC is looking at Texas thinking lets see how UTSA, Texas St., UNT do. If nothing else happens to shake up CUSA then we can snag one of these Texas schools if they're good enough, to get a foot back in Texas. I don't see where the new WAC will look so much better than the SBC any time soon(5-7 years). If say Utah St. or SJSU started dominating the WAC, MWC would take them. Why WAC is damned if they do damned if they don't.

46566 · **Joined:** Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:06 am **Posts:** 115

What about the sun belt adding the two new WAC Texas schools if they prove good? That would give them 12 football members and the option of having a conference championship game.

Fresno St. Alum · **Posted:** Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:07 pm

46566 wrote:

What about the sun belt adding the two new WAC Texas schools if they prove good? That would give them 12 football members and the option of having a conference championship game.

That could also happen if $$$ are better and travel is better. You take the TX twins put them in the new SBC west, plus the eastern schools are closer. Just depends on the WAC buyout and WAC$$$ vs SBC$$$

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