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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 12:18 am 
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If the ACC goes to 15 (plus Notre Dame), I could see the American inviting UMass and that be the end of any movement. C-USA could hold at 13 and schedule using fixed rivals in football.

If the Big XII still has to get to 12, but all hell could break loose - but most likely UMass replaces Cincinnati in the American, and C-USA loses only one to stop at 12 members.

If the ACC goes to 15 and the Big XII goes to 12, then this can reach the Sun Belt - but even then there is another out if the Big XII takes BYU.

Nothing earth shattering happens until the end of the GORs and P5 teams can change leagues.


If the B-12 returns to 12 teams and 2 divisions they take 2 of BYU, Cinn, and UConn. BYU has baggage especially with Sunday play for it Olympic Sports and BB. Cinn gives WV a closer travel partner and UConn strengthens the BB programs and gives the conference new NE TV sets for their TV contracts. Don't think UConn is far fetched as they would be playing WV again and still have Cinn in its division. UConn already travels to Texas and Oklahoma in the AAC so now they would be traveling there for bigger payouts from the CFP, and B-12 money from their TV, Bowl, and other conference NCAA payouts. They would also trade off the Florida travel for travel to Kansas and Iowa with the massive new conference revenue. UConn can make up for the loss of current NE regional partners by scheduling Rutgers, Syracuse, BE schools, Temple, Army, and Navy out of conference to cut travel. If they still want Florida recruiting they can still schedule Florida schools out of conference too.

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Interesting read.

UTA has decided to add Women's golf. http://www.sunbeltsports.org/news/2015/ ... 52321.aspx

Now this may not seem like much on the surface, but if you do some research from a Sports Expansion Study that UTA had a few years back prior to joining the WAC, you can see that this could possibly be the first step towards UTA restarting their football program. In the study it tells how the school would need to add Women's golf and Women's Soccer prior to adding Football.
http://www.uta.edu/sportsexpansion/

So it is still many years away, but it appears that UTA is making steps toward re-starting Football.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:34 am 
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Interesting read.

UTA has decided to add Women's golf. http://www.sunbeltsports.org/news/2015/ ... 52321.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Now this may not seem like much on the surface, but if you do some research from a Sports Expansion Study that UTA had a few years back prior to joining the WAC, you can see that this could possibly be the first step towards UTA restarting their football program. In the study it tells how the school would need to add Women's golf and Women's Soccer prior to adding Football.
http://www.uta.edu/sportsexpansion/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So it is still many years away, but it appears that UTA is making steps toward re-starting Football.


This certainly could be a step towards the reinstatement of the Mavericks football team. It might also be part of a push the conference to get to full participation in some of the minor sports. UT-A is one of just two members who don't play women's golf (ULL is the other). Georgia Southern just added the sport, presumably to help make up the difference of going from 63 to 85 football scholarships. Having UT-A as a football playing member would be a huge coup for the Sunbelt--they are in a major market and as long as C-USA has UNT they don't have to worry about them leaving.


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hibbett2222 wrote:
Interesting read.

UTA has decided to add Women's golf. http://www.sunbeltsports.org/news/2015/ ... 52321.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Now this may not seem like much on the surface, but if you do some research from a Sports Expansion Study that UTA had a few years back prior to joining the WAC, you can see that this could possibly be the first step towards UTA restarting their football program. In the study it tells how the school would need to add Women's golf and Women's Soccer prior to adding Football.
http://www.uta.edu/sportsexpansion/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So it is still many years away, but it appears that UTA is making steps toward re-starting Football.


So far, this is like a step up for UTA to improve its athletic program, and having women's golf is one of them. But what wonders me is the following. Should UTA eventually re-instate football, not only it would be the 12th football member for the SBC to sponsor a CCG, but UALR would be the only non-fb. member of the conference hanging dry. So what would be the future for UALR if that occurs?

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UALR would be the only non-fb. member of the conference hanging dry. So what would be the future for UALR if that occurs?


That is a legitimate concern for UALR down the road as well as for the Sun Belt. The Conference would need to decide its own identity and if UALR fits that mold. I think watching how the UAB situation turns out will be important. However, if the Sun Belt decides to only have football playing members, UALR will be on hunting for a new home. Here are some options (alphabetically):

Atlantic Sun - would be furthest West member by a long shot (probably not)
Horizon League - would be furthest South member by a long shot (probably not)
Missouri Valley - would be furthest South member but close to the rest of the conference (maybe)
Southland - would be a very regional conference with non-football members TAMU-CC and New Orleans (maybe)
Summit - would have Oral Roberts next door as a conference member but the conference is pretty spread out (maybe)
WAC - would connect Texas to Missouri, but the conference is very spread out (probably not)

A scenario I could see playing out is UALR, UMKC, and Chicago St joining the Summit. UMKC would be rejoining. I'm not sure if the Summit would even consider it. It would jump their membership to 12 which is a nice even number.

North Dakota St, South Dakota St, South Dakota, UNO, Denver, Oral Roberts, UALR, UMKC, Western Illinois, Chicago St, IUPUI, IPFW

A bridge is created for all of the states and adds the markets of Little Rock, Kansas City, and Chicago.


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That is a legitimate concern for UALR down the road as well as for the Sun Belt. The Conference would need to decide its own identity and if UALR fits that mold. I think watching how the UAB situation turns out will be important. However, if the Sun Belt decides to only have football playing members, UALR will be on hunting for a new home. Here are some options (alphabetically):

Atlantic Sun - would be furthest West member by a long shot (probably not)
Horizon League - would be furthest South member by a long shot (probably not)
Missouri Valley - would be furthest South member but close to the rest of the conference (maybe)
Southland - would be a very regional conference with non-football members TAMU-CC and New Orleans (maybe)
Summit - would have Oral Roberts next door as a conference member but the conference is pretty spread out (maybe)
WAC - would connect Texas to Missouri, but the conference is very spread out (probably not)

A scenario I could see playing out is UALR, UMKC, and Chicago St joining the Summit. UMKC would be rejoining. I'm not sure if the Summit would even consider it. It would jump their membership to 12 which is a nice even number.

North Dakota St, South Dakota St, South Dakota, UNO, Denver, Oral Roberts, UALR, UMKC, Western Illinois, Chicago St, IUPUI, IPFW

A bridge is created for all of the states and adds the markets of Little Rock, Kansas City, and Chicago.


The most logic conference homes for UALR (in my opinion, and if the SBC removes them) would be the Southland (where Central Arkansas is for most Oly sports, in terms of travel partnership), and maybe the Summit (but only if both former SL UMKC & Chicago St. would re-join back from the WAC to get into 12). Realistically, I would doubt it.

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UALR might have a shot at the Southland but there's no guarantee that the Southland would say yes. They are big as it is at 13. They did go to 14 with Oral Roberts but they backed out because they didn't want to play in the East against Central Arkansas and all the Louisiana schools. The Southland also has UTRGV out there hoping for membership too and it would be hard to say no to them if the Vaqueros we're going to add football which would give the conference 14 for all sports and 12 for football.


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Tarleton State is still out there as well, and may be looking into Division I again.

UALR and the Summit have talked before. Chicago State was booted so long ago that most of their fellow Mid-Con conference mates are no longer in the Summit, so it is conceivable they could come back.


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Tarleton State is still out there as well, and may be looking into Division I again.

UALR and the Summit have talked before. Chicago State was booted so long ago that most of their fellow Mid-Con conference mates are no longer in the Summit, so it is conceivable they could come back.


About Tarleton St. going to D-I, I'm sure that the Texans and TexAnns will eventually join in the D-I ranks, but not automatically and/or directly to an FBS conference (in order for that to happen, the school must upgrade its facilities to D-I FBS school standards such as 20k-30k seats for a fb. stadium and at least 7.5k-8k seats for a bb. arena). However, Tarleton St.'s facilities might land with the FCS school standards (about 10k-15k fb. seats & 4k-5k bb. seats) such as joining the Southland (which needs a 12th fb school).

You're right on one thing about Chicago St, with most of the core members during the 1994-95 expansion shift no longer in the SL (some of them are in the FBS (Troy St. in the SBC & SUNY-Buffalo in the MAC), one school which was far away from the footprint left to find a more regional-based conference (Central Conn. St. to the NEC), one school no longer sponsors athletics (NE Illinois), and one school lasted a bit more years than ChiSt before being booted for the WAC (UMKC). If things within conference realignment shake up, then Chicago St. might be a possible consideration to re-join the SL; but that's if anything with UALR should get involved or not.

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News out of EKU. There new AD is wanting EKU to join FBS as soon as this year! Looking into SBC and the MAC.
http://www.kentucky.com/2015/04/14/3800 ... etics.html


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News out of EKU. There new AD is wanting EKU to join FBS as soon as this year! Looking into SBC and the MAC.
http://www.kentucky.com/2015/04/14/3800 ... etics.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Sun Belt definitely seems like a nicer landing spot for now. The MAC has been at 13 football members with some combination for several years. I think they'd like to keep it at 12 for a while. I do eventually think the MAC will have a couple schools (maybe a few) defect down to FCS. This would be a good opportunity to invite Marshall, Western Kentucky, Middle Tennessee St, Arkansas St, Northern Iowa, Illinois St, North Dakota St, etc.


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Liberty to offer full cost of attendance in hopes of improving their pitch for a FBS invite.

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2015/04/1 ... ttractive/


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It looks like even if the Sunbelt decides to pass on expansion now, if they ever get hit as a result of the UAB situation or some more massive realignment they will have at least two from the FCS ranks willing to come up and keep the conference solvent. It's too bad James Madison said no--that would have fixed a lot of this realignment speculation.


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It looks like even if the Sunbelt decides to pass on expansion now, if they ever get hit as a result of the UAB situation or some more massive realignment they will have at least two from the FCS ranks willing to come up and keep the conference solvent. It's too bad James Madison said no--that would have fixed a lot of this realignment speculation.


Nice tandem of UAB for all sports except FB if the program is not resurrected and UMass FB for 12 teams for FB. JMU to the CUSA then. Same thing works in reverse if UAB stays in CUSA with a by-law change to allow them stay as a charter member. UMass / UAB tandem in CUSA but JMU still might not bite on the Sun Belt where they have an open invitation which they continue to refuse to bite on.

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So it appears that all FBS conference are going to offer the FCOA. What is surprising is the estimates from each conference and the top 10 schools.
The school that appears at this point to offer the most increase for FCOA is Georgia Southern (out of the Sun Belt). # 2 is ULM (out of the Sun Belt). Then Tennessee and Auburn and then rounding out the top 5, App St. (also out of the Sun Belt). The Sun Belt appears to be the highest (on average) payment for FCOA among all 10 FBS conferences. And all of the Go5 conferences are higher than two of the P5 conferences (Pac 12, Big 10).
https://ulm.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=1202&CID=1758269" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So it appears that the Go5 are going to complete based on recruiting better players by paying them more in FCOA. Long gone are the days of equal footing, once this all goes into place, college athletics are going to be just like pro sports where the best players are bought by the schools. This is a very slippery slope here. Once the P5 start losing some of the recruits to Go5 schools they will increase their FCOA to a level that will cryptal the Go5 conference. Why?, because the can afford it!


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