Fresno St. Alum wrote:
Fresno St. Alum wrote:
Fresno St. Alum wrote:
I didn't say get rid of both I said for the 7/8 of us to JOIN CUSA. Looks like the presidents woke up and see that as an option now. Quinn you holding to the prediction of the 2 separate conferences. I am sticking w/ they will find a way to be 1 conf, CUSA. Being fb only would mean we still have to add a couple of mouths to feed on both sides that don't carry their own weight. Long term, burning exit fees/credits from the mwc seem like a small price. Travel? what travel? 2 cross over for bball 1 for fb. not bad at all.
Or maybe C-USA woke up and realized they don't need or want all those MWC schools. Makes more sense to me for C-USA to go to 14 by adding UTSA, N. Texas, New Mexico, Colorado State, La Tech, and FIU.
Two separate conferences of 10 having a football championship is not a good move. It wouldn't bring in much more money than a single conference championship would and the latter would only be split 12-14 ways instead of 20 ways.
UNM and CSU would rather be in MWC than CUSA, UNM has made it public. why add sh*tty schools when they could get Fresno, Nevada, maybe AFA if they stay. If anyone were to cross over to another conf it would be UTEP back w/ MWC. They planned on it in the Alliance, they have much longer ties to the leftover MWC and lost their 2 main rivals in CUSA. They aren't remotely close geographically to any CUSA school now either.
Did you read the link above you? Sure sounds like they really want the 16 of them to work and not have to add lesser schools that don't bring anything to the conf. let alone 2 separate ones.
Here, look. you think it makes sense for UNM and CSU to be flying across the US just to play ECU and S.Miss? Even though UNM has already said they won't leave the MWC for CUSA. They also have ties to all the MWC schools and just UTEP on the other side. Don't be mad just because SJSU might get left out and then start posting nonsense.http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/60/Cbd1.PNG
First off, SJSU and Utah St are likely heading to the MWC or the merged conference so I don't know what I'd be mad at. If not by June within the next five years.
Second, maybe you need to look at that map again. UTEP to East Carolina and Colorado State to East Carolina are pretty darn close. So if UTEP has been doing it for years, why would New Mexico or Colorado State doing it be so crazy? Heck, bust out your compass, I think they're closer than UTEP.
If the alliance doesn't go forward C-USA is going to have to try to appease UTEP or they'd risk losing them to the MWC. Thus N. Texas and/or UTSA are very likely to join. At that point UNM might have to seriously consider it. C-USA would be better than the MWC in many aspects. The big question would be the TV contract and I think C-USA's would be better. I acknowledge it's unlikely, but it would be a smart move by C-USA as it would be a solid replacement for Memphis' basketball program.
And no, it sure sounds like they don't want to lose all those exit fees and the football only alliance seems more likely, at least short term. But as I said, that seems strange since it won't be much more money and it would be split more ways. And if there is no merger the MWC needs to add at least two schools (sorry FSA, we're getting in).
FSA, you and I may love our western teams like Fresno, Nevada, UNLV, SJSU and think we're worth it, but the fact is out east, they don't give a s**t about us. C-USA schools only wanted UNLV and UNM's basketball and they were hoping they'd get an AQ in the BCS
. It's starting to look like they won't get any of those. To quote Chris Rock from The Longest Yard: "We didn't get the whole chocolate bar, but we got a Hershey Kiss."
So even though you're here, you don't pay attention, this was about security they never thought they'd get a BCS AQ out of this. So CUSA goal of expansion was to get UNLV and UNM basketball(yet you never brought up UNLV before now) ignore that all of this is about fb not basketball. You still make no sense w/ they dont care about west school yet want to add them, and the BE did add them. UNM Prez came out and said the only way they would go to CUSA is if it was a full merger/Alliance. It was posted on the MWC board by one of their fans months ago. So in your mind you think they'll leave, what happened to CSU and Wyoming, you gave up on that nonsense but will hold on to this.
By telling me, sorry we're getting in(which you hope) you are admitting that Still Just Sucking Unfortunately doesn't deserve a spot in the MWC/CUSA thing but may get in by default because it would be football only and the MWC needs an 8th all sports which could be USU or SJSU or both when AFA leaves. It could be UTEP if CUSA goes easy on them and wants to stay east. It could be UTEP and UNT for the MWC to get UTEP to join. It could be UTSA and USU. Fresno could be in the BE/BW if AFA says no again, there's a lot of could bes right now.
It was also brought up on the csn board that since you can't have a fbs only conference(unless they change the rule) the MWC could be an oly sport conf/ while being fb onlys in CUSA. MWC could just keep SDSU and BSU for other sports(AFA as well if they go to the BE). Hell they could bring BYU(unless they like being a 14 seed and playing in high school gyms) back too, since BYU wanted that in the first place. That would be 11 oly members w/o diluting the fb product by bringing in more teams that can't carry their weight.
Security? Are you serious? You really think for a second C-USA was ever in any sort of danger? C-USA has dozens of options (a plenty of them are good options). The MWC doesn't have many options after SJSU and Utah St. Invites to those schools would have gone out months ago but they've been trying to figure the whole merger out. The sorry we're getting in was not admitting we weren't as good (again beat you guys this year, what's that say about your fall from grace) it was a sorry but you're going to have to deal with it because everyone seems to know it's happening but you.
And I don't know why you're saying they weren't hoping for a BCS AQ. They very much were. Remember the full merger between the three conferences and their dream of semifinals and replacing the BE's AQ? When they couldn't get that, then they discussed a full sport merger. Not because either couldn't expand, but they both benefited as a FULL conference and in my opinion, avoided them attempting to raid each other. What did both have to offer at that point? Basketball (it certainly isn't football anymore).
Let's thinking about this since you aren't seeing the logic. C-USA and MWC are at 8 and 7/8 respectively. The MWC has to add at least one as they are staying separate at least for now. If neither conference expands right now how much money do you think they stand to lose in their TV contracts? C-USA is minus Dallas, Houston, Memphis, and Orlando. Those we some of the biggest markets they had. So ask yourself this, is C-USA going to just sit at 8 and take that hit in revenue? Of course not. So they'll add UTSA/N. Texas and FIU. The MWC is going to add at least Utah State or SJSU if not both. They'll have a championship and it'll be televised and the money will get split 20 ways.
Fast forward a few years. Air Force has left the MWC. What does the MWC offer C-USA? UNLV and UNM basketball. It certainly isn't TV sets because my Spartans are in the biggest market and as you say, we don't carry it. So could the merger still go forward? Possibly, but I think they're realizing it isn't beneficial and won't move forward with it (you disagree at that's fine). But if they gave a s**t about Fresno why are they only asking for two crossover games a year? Because they only want to actually see your city once a decade.
Now the closest school to New Mexico is Colorado State (potentially NMSU but I don't think they'd be in at that point). Again, time for you to check the map. Tulsa, UTEP, N. Texas, UTSA would all be closer or a somewhat comparable distance from UNM as it is to CSU. Sure you're quick to point out the furthest away school but that's why the division would have 7 schools thus fewer crossover games (the same reason you say the MWCUSA will work despite the travel).
UTEP is still far from many members and C-USA is probably targeting Charlotte at this point or maybe Georgia State. So, as suggested by many, UTEP might consider leaving for the MWC. How do you appease them? Add schools close to them. The other one of UTSA/N Texas is in for sure. Is it really so unlikely for them to call up UNM and say we want you in and you can hand pick the team that comes with you?
At the end of the day, I think someone is moving, whether it's UTEP West or UNM East I'm not sure. But I think they'll eventually be in the same conference. I think UNM has more in common with Texas schools than they do with western schools like SJSU, FSU, UNR, UNLV, and Idaho. All of which will probably be in the conference in the next few years.