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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:25 am 
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BE MB thread discussing report that BE is negotiating an early departure date and conference name agreement with the 7 BE breakaway BB schools at http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=607800


So, Rutgers to the Big 10 by next season?


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:37 am 
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Agree - the name is a bargaining chip. And the non-departing schools own it right now.

Had this split happened years ago, SO MUCH PAIN would have been avoided in the intervening years.

I blame Marinatto for so much of this - the guy seemed to have no forsight or vision.
Craig 'the hair" Thompson of the MWC could see where this was all goig about 2 years ago, and came to the BE with an offer.
The BE FB schools were going to be picked over, and he was offereing for the remnants to join into CUSA-MWC FB.
but NOOOO!!!! The BE had to decimate CUSA, pull in Boise, SDSU (wrecking CUSA and MWC in the process).
Now the BE is CUSA, CUSA is the Sun-Belt, MWC is the WAC, and the WAC is gone.
The whole carrot for this process is the BE Football AQ which disappeared.

It will be interesting to see if BE FB gets somewhat dismantled.

What I would like to see:
Boise, SDSU, BYU and UTEP to the MWC for 14.
BE adds ECU (for ALL sports) + Marshall + UMass for 12 all-sports members. If NAVY is a FB-only mmeber, then Army is too, otherwise leave them both independent.
CUSA has lost UTEP and Marshall, replace with WKU and NMSU.
Sun-Belt adds 3 to get to 12/14: Appalachian State, Georgia Southern, and another FCS school


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Agree - the name is a bargaining chip. And the non-departing schools own it right now.

Had this split happened years ago, SO MUCH PAIN would have been avoided in the intervening years.

I blame Marinatto for so much of this - the guy seemed to have no forsight or vision.
Craig 'the hair" Thompson of the MWC could see where this was all goig about 2 years ago, and came to the BE with an offer.
The BE FB schools were going to be picked over, and he was offereing for the remnants to join into CUSA-MWC FB.
but NOOOO!!!! The BE had to decimate CUSA, pull in Boise, SDSU (wrecking CUSA and MWC in the process).
Now the BE is CUSA, CUSA is the Sun-Belt, MWC is the WAC, and the WAC is gone.
The whole carrot for this process is the BE Football AQ which disappeared.

It will be interesting to see if BE FB gets somewhat dismantled.

What I would like to see:
Boise, SDSU, BYU and UTEP to the MWC for 14.
BE adds ECU (for ALL sports) + Marshall + UMass for 12 all-sports members. If NAVY is a FB-only mmeber, then Army is too, otherwise leave them both independent.
CUSA has lost UTEP and Marshall, replace with WKU and NMSU.
Sun-Belt adds 3 to get to 12/14: Appalachian State, Georgia Southern, and another FCS school

Very good post, tute79. Sums it up well with your unique editorial take.

Technically, the BE that the Catholic7 would be leaving would consist of UCONN, Cincy, & USF. Others are not fully onboard yet, and others are slated to leave. Maybe UCONN, Cincy, & USF shall each receive a nice chunk of change from the departures? What would ultimately go into the general coffers is unclear; apparently no exit fees unless the effective dates are moved up.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:29 pm 
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Mark Blaudschun blog article reporting that the BE expects to sell the BE name to the BE BB schools,give ECU allsports invite,and create a western division over the next few weeks.The BB schools will "likely" leave 6-30-2014.Link at http://ajerseyguy.com/?p=4420


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 7:25 am 
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It will be interesting to see what the price tag is. Since the brand is the biggest asset, the football schools could play hardball:
you get $0 from the exit fees from Rutgers, Louisville, WVU, TCU, Syracuse, Pitt, Notre Dame...would be a huge chunk of change if all collected). If they are leaving the conference, they are forfeiting that money anyways.

But the football schools could also then trade the name in exchange for the tourney shares.

The football schools hold all the cards. The basketball schools have 2 options: stay in the Big East as is, or leave and forfeit everything...since they need a FB school to vote to dissolve the conference...the 7 BE votes aren't enough per BE rules.

So if you're the FB schools, why give in at all unless you get a significant gain: all the NCAA tourney shares.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:42 am 
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Been a busy couple of days, but here's what Villanova's president sent to the alumni:

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December 15, 2012

Dear Alumni, Parents and Friends,

Villanova is embarking on a new and exciting course for its athletic programs -- one that seizes control of our future, while building on the traditions, values and rivalries that energize our teams and fans.

Last week, I and the Presidents from Georgetown, Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall, DePaul and Marquette, spoke with the Big East Commissioner about the future of the conference. We informed him that our schools are actively exploring avenues through which we can best support our interests and ensure our national prominence. Earlier today, we voted unanimously to pursue an orderly evolution to a foundation of basketball schools that honors the history and tradition on which the Big East was established. This is a group of like-minded schools with excellent academics, great athletic histories and traditions, national caliber basketball programs, and passionate fan bases in major media markets.

As members of the Villanova community and fans of Villanova athletics, I want to assure you that this was a thoughtful and strategic decision. We have the necessary resources to support all our athletic programs, and we are confident and excited about this direction -- especially as we know there will always be an appetite for elite basketball.

Villanova, and this new basketball framework, is well positioned to capitalize on that hunger. Villanova offers top tier basketball in the fourth largest media market in the country, and together with our fellow Big East basketball institutions, we account for four of the top five media markets. Collectively, these seven schools can claim three men's basketball national championships and 18 Final Four appearances. Villanova teams alone boast 82 conference championships and 19 NCAA team championships. I am confident that Villanova's athletic programs -- men's basketball and beyond -- will continue to compete at the highest levels.

This is not a move that will be made overnight. This will be a strategic evolution into a new framework, involving a period of transition to address issues of structure, membership and media partnerships. Villanova is working closely with these like-minded institutions to protect and advance our common interests at all levels. I strongly believe this is the best course for Villanova, our student-athletes, and our alumni and supporters.

Together, these institutions look forward to building this new foundation with an emphasis on elite competition and a commitment to the development of our students engaged in intercollegiate athletics. That is where we will now spend our energy as we move forward.

At Villanova, we are looking to protect our University and promote it -- to ensure that Villanova is a nationally recognized institution that lives by its values, and seeks to educate all its students to think critically, act compassionately and succeed while serving others. This decision is about controlling our future, strategically positioning the university for future growth, and securing an environment in which Villanova can thrive.

This is the right decision for Villanova. Vince Nicastro, Villanova's athletic director, and I have worked closely with our board, University leadership and coaches, and I know that we are all eager for this new chapter in Villanova's history. I look forward to keeping you updated as we move forward.

Go Nova!

Sincerely,

Fr. Peter Donohue, OSA
President


If I'm Andy Talley, I'm looking for new work, even at nearly 70, to send a message to this school's leadership. If I'm Matt Szczur, I'm not donning the "big blue 'V'" anymore. I am so disappointed Donohue basically regurgitated the same nonsense Nicastro did. Donohue even highlights all these championships...WHO WON THEM?! It's not your overrated hoops program, that's for sure!

I'm more troubled by how he chose to call these schools basically peer institutions, say nothing of Temple, and not explain precisely why they were doing this. He's not a sports guy (theater, actually), and it clearly shows. He may lose his post for this one.


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Appreciate you sharing, Cutter.

These Catholic7 collective and institutional letters and public statements don't mention directly "leaving" the BE; instead, refer to "new frameworks", "new directions", "seizing the future" and the like. The point, the Catholic7 cannot re-define BE conference policy independent of the rest and external to the conference's by-laws while implying they are still conference functionaries. Rather than trying to look controlling of the conference's destiny for most favorable exit terms, just be real and say they are leaving and the formal ties are being cut. While these particular Friars and related try to come across as clever and "protective" of their agenda-ridden financial interests without saying so directly and disguised in somewhat psuedo-visionary jargon, it looks deceptive with assumed entitlements.


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Yes, this memo is intentionally vague.

I think on one hand, he felt a need to issue a public statement, acknowledging that something is taking plance,
and that he and other Villanova minions are moving thoughtfully and deliberately toward something that reflects their long-term goals.

Undoubtedly the lawyers scanned this (prior to release) to ensure there was nothing specific that might have to be retracted later, based on the course of the pcoming negotitations.
Essentially, the smart thing to do at this point is to remove any TBD details from this memo, and leave that stuff to the reporters / bloggers / us.


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BE MB thread discussing latest BE Commish interview at http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=608353


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:20 pm 
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Big East contacts Fresno State and UNLV about joining in football

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... n-football


These are the moves that will kill the Big East. 6 FB only schools? Come on.

Just take the current 10 all-sports members, add SDSU and Boise for all-sports, invite UNLV, Nevada, Fresno St. and New Mexico, and split into (2) 8 school divisions for all-sports.

Keep Navy for FB, add BYU for FB only if they won't join for all-sports.

It's the best of the MWC with the best of CUSA with the last of the Big East (Uconn, Cincy, USF and to an extent, Temple)

EAST:
UConn
Temple
Cincinnati
UCF
USF
Memphis
Tulane
ECU
* Navy


WEST:
SDSU
Fresno St.
Nevada
UNLV
New Mexico
Boise St.
SMU
Houston
* BYU

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UNLV has what, 2 winning seasons in the last 35 years? They're gonna add them for fb only? BSU, SDSU, Fresno, UNLV should say all or nothing.

UNLV is only good at basketball anyway. UNM should be added to the all sports. Navy will probably stay Indy. So pick 1 of Tulsa, Nevada, Colorado St. for 16 if AFA is still out.

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Fresno St. Alum wrote:
UNLV has what, 2 winning seasons in the last 35 years? They're gonna add them for fb only? BSU, SDSU, Fresno, UNLV should say all or nothing.

UNLV is only good at basketball anyway. UNM should be added to the all sports. Navy will probably stay Indy. So pick 1 of Tulsa, Nevada, Colorado St. for 16 if AFA is still out.


Agreed.

Seems like they are want this: 9 all-sports and 7 FB only (although I think we can assume ECU for all-sports for a 10/6 split).

Really? 6 FB only schools? So the Big West has to take Fresno St., UNLV, Boise St., SDSU and still has Hawaii? Enough is enough.

EAST:
UConn
Temple
Cincinnati
UCF
USF
Memphis
* ECU
* Navy

WEST:
* SDSU
* Fresno St.
* UNLV
* Boise St.
SMU
Houston
Tulane
*BYU

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Mark Blaudschun blog article with more details on possible BE FB/BE BB school "divorce settlement" at http://ajerseyguy.com/?p=4451


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Article out of Fresno with comments from FSU AD regarding report that the BE may be interested in having FSU join the BE at http://www.fresnobee.com/2012/12/20/310 ... resno.html


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I still can't get over how bad a decision it would be to add UNLV for football-only, not taking advantage of their primary sport, basketball. Not a ton of people into those 110F September days in an outdoor stadium...versus Winter ands Spring basketball games in an air conditioned arena.


Those of us hoping for an 8/8 split 16 school all-sports conference need to realize, it's not what the plan is. Aresco has mad eit pretty clear that the next steps are to take the BE10 all-sports and combine them with the 6 FB only (ECU, Navy, Bosie St., SDSU, Fresno St. and UNLV).

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