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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:20 pm 
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Navy seems to remain committed to the Aresco Athletic Conference in 15 1/2 months.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:18 am 
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In fairness to Aresco, Navy was signed up by Marinatto, when he presided over the infamous hybrid.

The AAC (as reconstituted under Aresco) no longer has the ugly hybrid structure, with the exception of Navy football.
It seems awkward to "uninvite" them at this point, but I'm sure Aresco would rather have a 12th ALL-Sports member.


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In fairness to Aresco, Navy was signed up by Marinatto, when he presided over the infamous hybrid.

The AAC (as reconstituted under Aresco) no longer has the ugly hybrid structure, with the exception of Navy football.
It seems awkward to "uninvite" them at this point, but I'm sure Aresco would rather have a 12th ALL-Sports member.


In the interest of fairness within the AAC, who would be that 12th all-sports member besides football-only Navy?

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ncaanopaawaa2000 wrote:
tute79 wrote:
In fairness to Aresco, Navy was signed up by Marinatto, when he presided over the infamous hybrid.

The AAC (as reconstituted under Aresco) no longer has the ugly hybrid structure, with the exception of Navy football.
It seems awkward to "uninvite" them at this point, but I'm sure Aresco would rather have a 12th ALL-Sports member.


In the interest of fairness within the AAC, who would be that 12th all-sports member besides football-only Navy?


Somebody in the Southwest.

UTSA, LA Tech, Rice, So Miss

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Somebody in the Southwest.

UTSA, LA Tech, Rice, So Miss


Fair enough, but based on those four that you mentioned, which of them have been successful within the past 5-10 years (on any sport alike in general)?

Plus. the division format would look like this without Navy:

AAC East: UConn, Temple, East Carolina, Cincinnati, South Florida, Central Florida
AAC West: Memphis, Tulane, Tulsa, SMU, Houston, <possible 12th member>

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:56 am 
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Quinn wrote:
Let's play nice, everyone.


Am a couple pages back catching up.
Quinn, I got a message a few month back from a very active and good poster who suddenly stopped posting. He was not upset about arguing. Biases and frustrations show in delivering opinions and replies. He had a point.

When the quote of someone else is clicked, and the responder proceeds to edit the message by changing and adding words and phrases, underlining, bolding, and/or capitalizing words, or injected comments not apparent from the poster of origin, that comparatively is more offensive and interpreted to be simply tacky, rude, childish, trolling, and lame attempts at discrediting. While the poster of origin initial post holds, subsequent responding allows for editing external to the post's writer.
I am not speaking about quoting a sentence, phrase, or paragraph of the original poster; that's appropriate and it is readily understood that the reader can scroll up or back to find the full statement of origin.

Here's another comment on the subject. Clicking quotes that have multiple quotes therein can be so annoying. One can often see a full page of repeated quotes with deteriorating comments climaxing to who delivers the last word. If reading is to be friendly, that nonsense should have limits. Am not talking about someone writing at length with a thoughtful and detailed post. But really, do stacked posts with multiple confusing visual attributions need to have the saturated redundancy?
Maybe the master settings need tweaked?


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ncaanopaawaa2000 wrote:
tkalmus wrote:

Somebody in the Southwest.

UTSA, LA Tech, Rice, So Miss


Fair enough, but based on those four that you mentioned, which of them have been successful within the past 5-10 years (on any sport alike in general)?

Plus. the division format would look like this without Navy:

AAC East: UConn, Temple, East Carolina, Cincinnati, South Florida, Central Florida
AAC West: Memphis, Tulane, Tulsa, SMU, Houston, <possible 12th member>


The supply is definitely in the south and more to the west, but doing so, especially if it's to replace Navy, you can fully expect the issue of independence or some "drop down" to occur. I don't care what Temple fans will say about how good the payout of the AAC was to the MAC/A10 arrangement...when you're spending all that money to ship revenue-losing programs across nearly two timezones, it's not worth it.

That being said, if a map and travel budgets are no option, the politics won't change, and if Army, AFA, and BYU keep saying no, the schools who might enhance the AAC? USM. And past them? The guys who the MWC want to overlook until eternity it seems: UTEP.


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There's a very simple solution to the Navy problem. Change the nature of the agreement. Instead of being a football affiliate make a scheduling alliance with them. Here's two ways to do it:

6 games/yr, 3H, 3A. Play half of the AAC one year and the other half the next. Everyone gets a visit from Navy once every 4 yrs

4 games/yr 2H, 2A. Each year Navy plays 1/3rd of the the AAC. Everyone gets a visit from Navy once every 6 yrs

AAC wins because they get the exposure of playing Navy and the tv revenue that comes with Navy's popularity. Navy wins because they get their scheduling freedom but still get to play quality opponents.


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There's a very simple solution to the Navy problem. Change the nature of the agreement. Instead of being a football affiliate make a scheduling alliance with them. Here's two ways to do it:

6 games/yr, 3H, 3A. Play half of the AAC one year and the other half the next. Everyone gets a visit from Navy once every 4 yrs

4 games/yr 2H, 2A. Each year Navy plays 1/3rd of the the AAC. Everyone gets a visit from Navy once every 6 yrs

AAC wins because they get the exposure of playing Navy and the tv revenue that comes with Navy's popularity. Navy wins because they get their scheduling freedom but still get to play quality opponents.


Is this an alternate-like inverted variation that's similar to Notre Dame's?

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There seems to be lots of speculation about Wichita State on CSNBBS. Is there any flame behind this smoke?

The other thing I thought about is that there are a number of schools in the East that could serve as possible 12th members in certain sports:

NYIT, Dallas Baptist (baseball)
Francis Marion (women's soccer)
Hartwick (men's soccer)
Francis Marion, Georgia Regents, Hartford, Binghamton (men's golf)
Delaware State, Georgia Regents (women's golf)


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There seems to be lots of speculation about Wichita State on CSNBBS. Is there any flame behind this smoke?

The other thing I thought about is that there are a number of schools in the East that could serve as possible 12th members in certain sports:

NYIT, Dallas Baptist (baseball)
Francis Marion (women's soccer)
Hartwick (men's soccer)
Francis Marion, Georgia Regents, Hartford, Binghamton (men's golf)
Delaware State, Georgia Regents (women's golf)

No flames. It's b/c they're 34-0 and people like balance, WSU to the MWC or AAC is the flavor of the year. last year it was Gonzaga to the MWC and VCU to the AAC.

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wbyeager wrote:
There seems to be lots of speculation about Wichita State on CSNBBS. Is there any flame behind this smoke?

The other thing I thought about is that there are a number of schools in the East that could serve as possible 12th members in certain sports:

NYIT, Dallas Baptist (baseball)
Francis Marion (women's soccer)
Hartwick (men's soccer)
Francis Marion, Georgia Regents, Hartford, Binghamton (men's golf)
Delaware State, Georgia Regents (women's golf)


Baseball will have 9 (not SMU/Tulsa) 8 in 2015 (Temple is dropping)
W Soccer will have 10 (not Tulane)
M Soccer will have 8 (not ECU, Houston or Tulane)
M Golf will have 10 (not Tulane)
W Golf will have 9 (not UConn/Temple)

They don't need any of those associates however the baseball ones are intriguing.

Both are in great markets in the AAC's footprint. With SMU not playing baseball, DBU seems like an easy substitute and NYIT would bring the former Big East-ers back into NYC. Baseball can survive on 8 but it gets harder to schedule series with OOC teams once conference ball begins so they'd have to play 2 series (6 games) with at least 3 of their conference members which is awkward for scheduling. 9 would be preferable then they simply have "rival" pseudo-pods of 3 (ECU/UCF/USF, Hou/Tulane/Mem or DBU, UConn/Cincy/Mem or DBU) where you play everyone once and your "rivals" twice. But neither of these schools are full D1 members and that is looked down upon by most schools so I'll assume they won't do anything unless they fall below 8.

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[/quote]

Somebody in the Southwest.

UTSA, LA Tech, Rice, So Miss[/quote]


Hmmm La Tech, So Miss or somebody named UTSA instead of The U.S. Naval Academy? That ought to do wonders for TV ratings


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ncaanopaawaa2000 wrote:
fighting muskie wrote:
There's a very simple solution to the Navy problem. Change the nature of the agreement. Instead of being a football affiliate make a scheduling alliance with them. Here's two ways to do it:

6 games/yr, 3H, 3A. Play half of the AAC one year and the other half the next. Everyone gets a visit from Navy once every 4 yrs

4 games/yr 2H, 2A. Each year Navy plays 1/3rd of the the AAC. Everyone gets a visit from Navy once every 6 yrs

AAC wins because they get the exposure of playing Navy and the tv revenue that comes with Navy's popularity. Navy wins because they get their scheduling freedom but still get to play quality opponents.


Is this an alternate-like inverted variation that's similar to Notre Dame's?


Notre Dame's deal is for 5 games a year (although they had to tweak it due to some previously scheduled series so the Irish will have a year that they play 6 teams and another where they play 4.) Personally I want to see Navy play 6 AAC games a year. It makes for a good balance and they will see every member every other year. It also leaves them plenty of scheduling flexibility--of the 6 remaining games I would expect to see Army, Air Force, Notre Dame, a MWC school (West Coast exposure, probably SDSU or SJSU to play near Naval Bases), a MAC school (Midwestern exposure), and an FCS program (a win toward bowl eligibility.)


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Somebody in the Southwest.

UTSA, LA Tech, Rice, So Miss[/quote]


Hmmm La Tech, So Miss or somebody named UTSA instead of The U.S. Naval Academy? That ought to do wonders for TV ratings[/quote]

To me this seems like a no brainer--UTSA is an up and comer in a decent market that has no other football team to compete with and only an NBA team to share the spot light with. The Alamo Dome isn't a shabby facility either. Bring on the Roadrunners!


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