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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 7:02 pm 
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Here's a suggestion, but not exactly a verbal rumor, but bringing some diversity of thoughts together regarding the initiative of the ACC engaging the SEC in a scheduling agreement.
1. A 16 to 16 long-term agreement where a member of each conference has the mutual game with the other.
2. SEC agrees as long as Notre Dame is part of the ACC's 16. Notre Dame would get one of the following for the inter-conference game: Alabama, LSU, Mizzou, or Texas A&M.
3. ACC agrees to release NC State for SEC #15. The SEC would not extract another ACC team beyond that. It gets the SEC directly into North Carolina.
4. With Notre Dame agreeing to be a full member, the ACC adds two from among the following: UConn, Cincy, or WVU.
5. WVU would have to be released from the B12 to become the SEC's #16 or the ACC's #16. UConn would only be an ACC option. An enhanced deal would have to be provided to the B12 for WVU's release and could involve the Champion's Bowl or related. The SEC may have to look at other options for #16.
6. Traditional cross-games would be kept such as UF-FSU, UGA-GT, So.Car.-Clemson, Kentucky-Louisville, and probably Vandy-WFU. New ones would be created (such as NCSU-UNC), particularly between some western SEC schools and NE ACC schools.
7. ESPN promotes it including financial aspects. Could do enough to appeal to the ACC.
8. Such could impact new bowl agreements.
9. Both the ACC and the SEC continue to play 8 conference games, but all would have one permanent game with the other conference.
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OK, it sounds farfetched given Notre Dame's positioning, and the ACC actually relinquishing a North Carolina state school to the SEC. But the key is the tradeoff.
It could very well strengthen the ACC in fb and financially. Similar models for basketball and baseball, if desired, could be adapted.

Where would this leave the BIG and PAC12? Well, the B12 is right between them. The B1G takes two of them, the PAC12 takes Four of them. The PAC12 is suppose to be the B1G's buddy, so they could try again (without USC and Stanford posturing about ND scheduling). And if BIG and PAC12 really wanted to get this done, and bargain with the SEC, then from the B12, the SEC finds #16 other than WVU which goes to the ACC. Iowa State or Oklahoma State or Kansas State to the SEC?
The point, as many as eight B12 schools could be distributed among the new power 4. The B12's GoR could be broken by the eight biting. TCU and Baylor may have to say hello to BYU, and a new configuration with the MWC and/or AAC (and maybe a couple from CUSA) to form a new version of the old B12.

Maybe it won't be all about dropping GoRs', but wheeling and dealing per scheduling agreements, new acquisition techniques, and dangling money.

The steps to reach 4 power conferences of 16 members each are theoretically reachable, but it would take a heck of a lot of broad compromising.


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sec03 - Interesting suggestion. But for the B12, only Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State and Missouri (from the SEC) would go to the B1G, while the Texas and Oklahoma schools are between the SEC and Pac-12.

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sec03 - Interesting suggestion. But for the B12, only Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State and Missouri (from the SEC) would go to the B1G, while the Texas and Oklahoma schools are between the SEC and Pac-12.


Yes, highly suggestive as stated, and mass cooperation has never been the operating pattern. The BIG had the PAC12 backing out of a simple scheduling agreement/proposal because a couple of PAC12 schools later balked. There's also UConn sitting there if the B1G ever wanted another eastern or New England school. I believe the system shall be stuck with 5 so-called power conferences for a long time to come. There may be a few shifts/expansion 'additions' over time, but three (SEC, B1G, and PAC12) are not apt lose anybody. The ACC will probably not lose anyone else either, unless the Maryland lawsuit (not based on the current GoR) ends up, unexpectedly, to really damage the ACC to a vulnerable level. Even the B12 is indicating firmly what they now have shall be there for the long-term, relatively unchanged.
My point, there could be methodology to incrementally change the dynamics to allow broad action. But mass cooperation is not there, and certain schools and conferences are latched pretty firmly onto the status quo.


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sec03 wrote:
ncaanopaawaa2000 wrote:
sec03 - Interesting suggestion. But for the B12, only Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State and Missouri (from the SEC) would go to the B1G, while the Texas and Oklahoma schools are between the SEC and Pac-12.


Yes, highly suggestive as stated, and mass cooperation has never been the operating pattern. The BIG had the PAC12 backing out of a simple scheduling agreement/proposal because a couple of PAC12 schools later balked. There's also UConn sitting there if the B1G ever wanted another eastern or New England school. I believe the system shall be stuck with 5 so-called power conferences for a long time to come. There may be a few shifts/expansion 'additions' over time, but three (SEC, B1G, and PAC12) are not apt lose anybody. The ACC will probably not lose anyone else either, unless the Maryland lawsuit (not based on the current GoR) ends up, unexpectedly, to really damage the ACC to a vulnerable level. Even the B12 is indicating firmly what they now have shall be there for the long-term, relatively unchanged.
My point, there could be methodology to incrementally change the dynamics to allow broad action. But mass cooperation is not there, and certain schools and conferences are latched pretty firmly onto the status quo.


Good point, unless there might be another round of conference realignment to occur during this decade. Otherwise, that's how the old Big East is no more, but under a new identity; and the WAC is no longer a football-sponsoring conference (making the MW as the new WAC)

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College athletic programs have cheated all over the country, some places more than others. However, the UNC scandal really went deep into the academic sector. One wonders why didn't the Provost, Academic Deans, Registrar's Office personnel, and THE FACULTY, in particular among others, voice concerns earlier? Obviously, some appeared to be cooperating and facilitating it, or too timid to blow the whistle. Much of this centered around the African-American Studies program. The shame in this is treating this program as exempt from integrity expectations and professional standards.

Here's one UNC professor recommending an action: vacating titles.
From: WWNC News Radio - Ashville 2/29/2014

http://www.wwnc.com/articles/local-news ... n-12112360


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 3:33 pm 
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sec03 wrote:
College athletic programs have cheated all over the country, some places more than others. However, the UNC scandal really went deep into the academic sector. One wonders why didn't the Provost, Academic Deans, Registrar's Office personnel, and THE FACULTY, in particular among others, voice concerns earlier? Obviously, some appeared to be cooperating and facilitating it, or too timid to blow the whistle. Much of this centered around the African-American Studies program. The shame in this is treating this program as exempt from integrity expectations and professional standards.

Here's one UNC professor recommending an action: vacating titles.
From: WWNC News Radio - Ashville 2/29/2014

http://www.wwnc.com/articles/local-news ... n-12112360" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

No wonder they want to join the SEC over the Big Ten. ;)

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tkalmus wrote:
sec03 wrote:
College athletic programs have cheated all over the country, some places more than others. However, the UNC scandal really went deep into the academic sector. One wonders why didn't the Provost, Academic Deans, Registrar's Office personnel, and THE FACULTY, in particular among others, voice concerns earlier? Obviously, some appeared to be cooperating and facilitating it, or too timid to blow the whistle. Much of this centered around the African-American Studies program. The shame in this is treating this program as exempt from integrity expectations and professional standards.

Here's one UNC professor recommending an action: vacating titles.
From: WWNC News Radio - Ashville 2/29/2014

http://www.wwnc.com/articles/local-news ... n-12112360" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

No wonder they want to join the SEC over the Big Ten. ;)


They want to pass on the tattoos and the cover-ups, win championships and join up with the better Texas school. UNC is committed to the ACC and going nowhere.


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sec03 wrote:
tkalmus wrote:
sec03 wrote:
College athletic programs have cheated all over the country, some places more than others. However, the UNC scandal really went deep into the academic sector. One wonders why didn't the Provost, Academic Deans, Registrar's Office personnel, and THE FACULTY, in particular among others, voice concerns earlier? Obviously, some appeared to be cooperating and facilitating it, or too timid to blow the whistle. Much of this centered around the African-American Studies program. The shame in this is treating this program as exempt from integrity expectations and professional standards.

Here's one UNC professor recommending an action: vacating titles.
From: WWNC News Radio - Ashville 2/29/2014

http://www.wwnc.com/articles/local-news ... n-12112360" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

No wonder they want to join the SEC over the Big Ten. ;)


They want to pass on the tattoos and the cover-ups, win championships and join up with the better Texas school. UNC is committed to the ACC and going nowhere.


I lol'd SO hard

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Back to the pertinent...

Here's an article about the ACC's attempt to expand its 'footprint'. The commentary stems from the revelation last week that the 2017 and 2018 ACC bb tournaments likely are destined for the Barclays Center in Brooklyn. Interesting comment: "...rivalries are born of geography, not demography".
(The Greenville News, Scott Keepfer, 03/16/2014).

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/article ... t-Brooklyn


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Speaking of lousy attendance at Conf. BB tournaments, did anyone see the early rounds of the "American" tournament ?

From what I saw, there APPEARED to be games with about 90% of the seeats unclaimed.
(I was watching some highlights, and the mid-court seats were only filled up about 4 rows deep.....)


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Speaking of lousy attendance at Conf. BB tournaments, did anyone see the early rounds of the "American" tournament ?

From what I saw, there APPEARED to be games with about 90% of the seeats unclaimed.
(I was watching some highlights, and the mid-court seats were only filled up about 4 rows deep.....)


With an NCAA field of 68, there is little drama left in the larger conference tournaments. Having said that, you would think the inclusion of Memphis in the Aresco Athletic Conference would draw more fans to that one.


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sec03 wrote:
Back to the pertinent...

Here's an article about the ACC's attempt to expand its 'footprint'. The commentary stems from the revelation last week that the 2017 and 2018 ACC bb tournaments likely are destined for the Barclays Center in Brooklyn. Interesting comment: "...rivalries are born of geography, not demography".
(The Greenville News, Scott Keepfer, 03/16/2014).

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/article ... t-Brooklyn" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


There were a couple of pieces talking about conference tournaments, the value of AQ selection by them, and venue/selection. CBS attacked the SEC's, which, to be fair, needs to get out of Atlanta when only three teams are east of it (far from the core, which is closer to NOLA or Memphis). The ACC is asking for trouble if they want to take their show up to NYC. For the assault the ACC gets from its critics for being too Carolina-driven, it is what it is, and what it is is a venue relatively nearby half of the conference.

I want to see the Big Ten try to push theirs to the east. Good luck stabbing your fanbase in the heart just for the sake of "testing the market."


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There were a couple of pieces talking about conference tournaments, the value of AQ selection by them, and venue/selection. CBS attacked the SEC's, which, to be fair, needs to get out of Atlanta when only three teams are east of it (far from the core, which is closer to NOLA or Memphis). The ACC is asking for trouble if they want to take their show up to NYC. For the assault the ACC gets from its critics for being too Carolina-driven, it is what it is, and what it is is a venue relatively nearby half of the conference.

I want to see the Big Ten try to push theirs to the east. Good luck stabbing your fanbase in the heart just for the sake of "testing the market."


I know the SEC took multiple bids before. Atlanta has been attractive due to the major size, biggest airport, entertainment venues, accommodations, media content, etc. Birmingham is so identified with Alabama, has been used so much in the past, and recently rated one of the top ten cities in crime per capita. Tampa area and others have been explored before. With now a Texas and Missouri presence for the conference, additional future bids could happen if there is a desire for more rotations. With bids being multi-year, maybe Atlanta offers the best overall deal with costs, facilities, etc.

Agree, inroads the ACC can make into the northeast seems limited. While the conference (ACC) has presented itself as really 'together' following the GoR signing, it appears cracks (or conflicts) are beginning to show over a variety of issues including scheduling, divisional alignments, and who plays in future CCGs. The more southern fb-oriented schools have their interests, the NE contingents are showing their priorities and agendas, the North Carolina-based group seek to retain their control levels, and of course, Notre Dame is going to be an ongoing thorn demanding appeasement.


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Birmingham was just ranked in the Top Ten downtowns. Ranking are like numbers you can find one to back your beliefs.

I personally am not a big B'ham fan other than it is close to me.


http://www.al.com/entertainment/index.s ... tycom.html


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Gemofthehills wrote:
Birmingham was just ranked in the Top Ten downtowns. Ranking are like numbers you can find one to back your beliefs.

I personally am not a big B'ham fan other than it is close to me.


http://www.al.com/entertainment/index.s ... tycom.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Gemothefields, got to give you credit on this. However, this was not to back my personal beliefs.

My citing was one of those US News rankings that came out. It's the publication that has done these controversial college rankings for so long. Publications will have varying levels of influence. Some of it, as you suggested, is not particularly objective or factual in reality.
They have the following for the 11 most dangerous cities: (1) St. Louis, (2) Atlanta, (3) Birmingham (tie), (3) Orlando (tie), (5) Detroit, (6) Memphis, (7) Miami, (8) Baltimore, (9) Kansas City, (10) Minneapolis (tie), (10) Cleveland (tie). Well, all this in SEC and BIG country :shock: .

I've had frequent travel experience to Birmingham, but nothing in recent years. Personally, good experiences there.

Who I would personally rank as #1? CHICAGO. I witnessed a horrible incident there a few decades back.
I've been all about Atlanta, DC, Orlando, Jacksonville, New Orleans, Pittsburgh, Philly, Baltimore, NYC, and never experienced a problem.
Certainly, individual experiences shape one's opinion. But really any major city, and many of those much smaller, contain risks.

http://www.usnews.com/news/slideshows/t ... s-cities/3


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