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PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2017 8:07 pm 
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Agree: no OU or UT no P status
Should have expanded


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 12:57 pm 
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I guess it comes down to what Texas and OU want to do. Do they want to stay in the Big 12 and remain the big dogs in their conference, or do they want to go somewhere else and make more money?
If they do decide to stay, what will their TV contract look like when this one expires? It can't be anywhere near what the Big 10 or SEC get. They just don't have the population of those conferences.

On another note, why doesn't NBC seem to be interested in college football? Do they not have the capital to invest in college football? What do they show during football season, golf, ice skating, rodeo? I would think NBC would get more viewers if they had college football. They could have the Notre Dame game at noon, followed by two Big 12 games, especially if the Big 12 were to expand.

I would have expanded with 4 teams and formed a ring around the SEC. I would have gotten Memphis, Cincy, UCF, and USF. I would have gone to a 10 game conference schedule with 2 permanent crossover games.
East- WVU, Cincy, Memphis, ISU, OU, UCF, and USF
West- UT, TTU, KSU, OSU, Baylor, KU, and TCU

Strength of schedule would be very strong and you would be playing a lot of games in the SEC's backyard which could potentially help close the talent gap between the two conferences. If the SEC is going to take some of the best players out of Texas (which is the major talent pool of the Big 12), then the Big 12 needs to start getting players out of the SEC footprint.

Somewhere down the road I would want to add BYU and Colorado State to the west and move either Baylor or TCU to east.

But that is what I would do if I ran the Big 12.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:30 am 
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Article out of Fort Worth (previously posted in another thread)discussing the LHN at http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/spt ... 55982.html


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:56 am 
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Very insightful article. The LHN was all about UT looking out for themselves (can you blame them, when some doofus at ESPN is throwing that kind of money at them ?) and prevented the Big XII from adopting the model of the Big Ten.

Author indicates that the 4 schools that left - Nebraska, Missouri, A&M, and Colorado are not so relevant (currently) in their new conferences. True - but they didn't dominate the Big XII, either. Nebraska, Missouri, and A&M are reaping financial windfall in Big Ten, SEC, SEC. Colorado not so much in PAC-12.

Big XII's failure to expand last year, was a result of the Big Dogs (UT and OU) deciding to maximize their revenue through end of GoR (2024), by not diluting money form ESPN / Fox by having to share any of it. Those 2 schools will find willing suitors 7 years from now. The other schools will be scrambling, and may end up in a situation like AAC / MWC when it all shakes out.

LHN is an albatross for ESPN and the Big XII (except for UT). Whomever at ESPN was in charge of envisioning the future of FBS college football happened to be asleep at the wheel when the LHN deal was consummated. Very little content.... What were they thinking ?


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:01 pm 
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Dennis Dodd article(previously posted in another thread)with comments from Big 12 Commish and others regarding how increased future media rights bidding by internet companies "could" impact on future conference realignment at https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... alignment/


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:32 pm 
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Those directional Florida schools are looking pretty good.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:39 am 
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At some point, UCF and USF play each other (somebody will lose that one).

Orlando and Tampa a re very fertile recruiting grounds.

After the P5 grabs he cream of the crop, an astute coach with lots of ties to local high schools can piece together a quality team with players that the P5 schools over-looked.

So - early in the season, they are playing OOC opponents and some other AAC schools.
Let's see how they look at the end of the year.

And if you are suggesting that the Big 12 expand with UCF / USF, they Big 12 already made their decision that they are unwilling to share their current revenue.
Reading between the lines, the GoR keeps them locked into the status quo, and then the schools will determine their long-term future as that GoR approaches expiration.
Then again, that is several years away, and a lot can happen in the meantime. TV money is driving he bus, and with internet streaming, network deals might change radically.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:56 pm 
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freaked4collegefb wrote:
Dennis Dodd article(previously posted in another thread)with comments from Big 12 Commish and others regarding how increased future media rights bidding by internet companies "could" impact on future conference realignment at https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... alignment/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

After the Big 12 officials finished up their meetings in Phoenix last year with the TV consultancy firms, the plans were to always create a Big 12 digital network sometime in the future. To me this waiting to create the network provides time to acquire a carrier such as Amazon and most importantly allow the tier 3 rights that are expensive at Oklahoma, Kansas, West Virginia, and most of the other Big 12 schools to expire. The Big 12 probably knee jerked a bit last year and tried to probe the usage of pro rata expansion money to most likely fund the buy out of the tier 3 rights and create a network in a faster time frame.

I believe the Big 12 has always wanted to expand back to a minimum of 12 schools when the time is right and affordability is provided with TV inventory demands and not pro rata contract money.

The Big 12 has always held its own in Tier 1 and tier 2 payouts from the national networks and the fear or disadvantage for the Big 12 schools are in Tier 3 money which creates the big funding gaps with the Big Ten and the SEC.

Assuming a carrier can be found such as Amazon which is already providing limited MWC games in digital, the Big 12 conference will be in much better position to launch the network once tier 3 rights are no longer required with expensive buyouts. The decision to not force ESPN and FOX to provide pro rata expansion money should bond well with tier 1 and tier 2 rights in 2025 negotiations.

If you are going digital, the Big 12 will most likely want to have schools with large fan bases or student body numbers to provide value to the network.

Being patient for fans that post on here for the Florida schools of UCF and USF wanting power conference membership has always been my suggestion. Having time to improve on field performance especially in football and building or improving facilities will go along way towards gaining access to the power group of schools. UCF needs to improve its current stadium and USF needs to continue with plans to build an on campus stadium that is more in line with demands will make a big difference in separating those schools from other group of five schools when and not if the Big 12 finally is in position to expand.

The Big 12 is learning very fast how must easier access for the other five power leagues to gain access to college football playoff by having larger member numbers and not playing round robin football. The Big 12 has already performed its analysis on which schools fit and or do not fit and when the time is right those exercises last year will finally pay off as well as the huge fees paid to the TV consultancy firms.


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