Fresno St. Alum wrote:
I do not believe geography is a consideration or factor any longer on a decision a conference makes for expansion or if a school decides to move to a particular conference.
In these days of big bucks from TV revenue, travel costs are of little concern to a conference or a school.
The fans are the ones that are most impacted. How many University of Florida fans are going to travel to Missouri by car to watch a game? By plane you have to fly into KC or St Louis and commuter over to U of Missouri. Remember the SEC put Missouri in the east division for political reason from U of Alabama so Florida will play at Missouri every other year. Every major BCS conference including your own SEC is impacted by these new decisions with geography. I have traveled cross country coast to coast several times because I like car trips which is a little crazy. Travel time from Florida or Alabama to LSU was not easy and going on into Texas will require an extra over night stay for most people.
Before this latest expansion craze, U of Arizona was closer to the LSU campus compared to travel to U of Washington campus. Everyone just assumes if a state has a border with each other that touch they are geographically connected. Missouri is much more of a Midwestern state in eastern portion close to SL and the western Missouri is very western and plains closer to KC. Missouri has very little in common geographically with the SEC for most Missouri residents just because the state has a small border with Tennessee and Kentucky and fairly long southern border with Arkansas. I know because of travels by car through each of these regions several times.
As for Florida State and Clemson joining the Big 12, it will not be geography that prevents these schools from changing conferences.
The ACC was smart by adding a 20 million dollar exit fee. As you can see from WVU legal issues, moving to another conference is not cheap.
If you go by fan response, Florida State fans are not happy with ACC expansion with basketball orientated schools. As we can see from above comments, fans are not the major factor when a school or conference decide to make changes.
I was living in Miami at the time the SEC expanded to 12 schools. Florida State was very close to taking the spot of South Carolina in the SEC. The ACC made a move on FSU and the school jumped at chance to join a more easy path in football. Was this a good decision by Florida State? In those days the ACC and SEC were close in revenue. Miami was very interested in joining as a football only member of the SWC before that conference imploded. Miami athletic director at the time proposed an alliance with the SWC until the Big East reached out to stabilize the fears of Pitt, Syracuse and BC and Miami joined the Big East.
It all comes down to money. If the ACC continues to have bad performance in football, Florida State may find it can make more revenue is another conference. Again money and exit fees will be the factors in the decision and not so much for concerns with geography. Besides if you have ever traveled by car from Virginia to Florida or Virginia into upstate New York, is there that much difference to travel into to Texas from Florida. Each require a plan ride if you want to make a quick trip to a road game for the fans.
Hey Fresno St fan, we have lots to talk about. Other than TCU, the Big East is paralyzed to make any football moves until WVU, Syracuse, and Pitt are gone to get to 10 football members that was agreed on by all 16 schools. Then the conference goes on a expansion binge from east to west coast taking any school that has a pulse. In the process raiding two other conferences at the same time. At least the SEC and Big 12 only impacted one conference with raids.
Yup and my team gets left out again. I like your Idea you posted before any of this ever happened about the BE splitting and have a MWC div and BE fb div. and make it all sports. Oh well I guess I'm okay w/ my schools lesser more regional all across america conf. where we only have to go east 1 time every other year or 1-2 times a year in bball. Boise and SDSU have it a little more messy being in shit*y bball leagues for the sake of fb. BSU makes sense, SDSU not so much since they are far better at basketball.
Fresno St Alum,
According to a lot a rumors floating around today, you may not have much to worry about as Boise State and SDSU are having second thought on joining the Big East and may remain in the MWC. Are you hearing anything about this rumor in California?
There may be a lot of factors that give this rumor have legs including AQ BCS projected to go away for all conferences, lower projected Big East TV contacts, and/or the Conf USA/MWC merger taking more WAC schools making the WAC less stable that is currently is for Boise State other sports.
Regardless it never made sense for Boise State and SDSU to join as football only members in the Big East and possibly sacrifice the other sports with no guarantees of keeping football in the current BCS status. It would have made more sense to have an alliance of MWC champ playing the Big East champ for the automatic BCS bid. This would allow the other sports to remain in solid all sports conferences.
The Big East is trying to make Houston and SMU look western when they are far from Boise State and SDSU and east of Mississippi River schools of Louisville and Memphis. Air force was wise to hold up on leaving the MWC due the instability of the new Big East hybrid format.
Of course the best bet for Conf USA, MWC, and remaining Big East schools would have been to take the top 12, 14, 16, or 18 schools and equal number of eastern and western school and form a true new all sports conference.
I see the following possible taking place.
Big East basketball only schools splitting off by forming a new basketball only league. I see Notre Dame going along with these schools to remain independent in football. This will be especially true if the BCS AQ status is removed from all conferences. This works to Notre Dame advantage to remain in a good basketball only conference and independent in football.
New Big East All sports: UConn, Rutgers, Temple, Memphis, Cincinnati, UCF, USF, SMU, Houston, UMass, Tulsa, U of Buffalo
New Conf USA: East Carolina, App State, Marshall, UAB, Troy State, Southern Miss, Middle Tennessee, Western Kentucky, Louisiana Tech, Tulane, Florida Atlantic, FIU
MWC; UTEP, New Mexico, Air Force, Colorado State, Wyoming, Utah State, Nevada, UNLV, SDSU, Fresno State, Boise State, Hawaii
Louisville and BYU to Big 12 when the new commissioner is announced in July. This can be his new achievement to accomplish as the first task.