Can we all please stop putting BYU on a pedestal because the school went independent. This was not by choice because it will be a cold day in your know where before any religous affiliated school ever get admitted to the liberal Pac 12. This was BYU true hope of remaining with Utah and that ship has long sailed.

BYU has not where to go except possibly to the far flung and what has become a joke of football conference the new Big East.

BYU is not and never will be “the Notre Dame of the west”.

Speaking of Notre Dame, unless Notre Dame wants to join the Big 12, maybe Texas and Oklahoma are getting it right if they are in fact pushing to keep the Big 12 at 10 members.

If the Pac 12 could turn back the clock, maybe they would be at 10 today and just as well off in the process and BYU would have Utah in the MWC.

Can we give Utah and Colorado back to the their old leagues? Or better stated replace both with say Texas and Oklahoma. Oh well guess not!

I personally have always preferred a 10 member league and is much better aligned that any of this so called larger conferences with 12 and especially a ridiculous 14 bloated membership size. Is everyone just trying to recreate the same issues the Big East created which by the way did not have a choice in the matter. The SEC and especially the ACC actually had a choice and yet expanded to an unwieldy size anyway.

With that said the only other option that could be a real compromise for everyone and that the Big 12 expand to 11 members and just take Louisville.

By expanding to 11, the Big 12 would appear or could market the fact it is waiting on a decision from Notre Dame too join a league. Regardless if this is an actual true statement.

The Big 12 could avoid the messing issues that always appears to follow just about every conference with a conference championship game in football.. The Pac 12 may have taken the CCG to a new low level this year by having UCLA play in the title game. We all have seen the empty stadium of the ACC until this year when the CCG was moved to Charlotte. What happens when Miami and FSU are back in football, will the game move back to Jacksonville.

We all can ‘t forget about the wonderful rematch Big 10 CCG that just could not live up to the regular season matchup. Does anyone think Michigan State should have got to go to the Rose Bowl anyway regardless of the CCG results?

Finally how about that mighty SEC game that should have actually had a rematch in SEC CCG of LSU and Alabama and saved all of us national college football fans having to watch an SEC rematch in the BCS title game determined by the coaches voting poll.

Yup those made for TV college football championship games are sure living up to their billing. Can we please have more of them including the Big East far flung idea coast to coast just to play one.

Hey Big 12, maybe keeping at 10 is a good thing or if you want to expand, do us all a favor a stop at 11 with Louisville and spare us all another CCG.

Thank you Big 12.

lash, BYU passed on the Big 12. They had somewhere else to go other than the Big East or remain Indy. They chose Indy over the big east.


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Quinn, the one thing you and I have in common is the “Art of adding a spin” to a discussion.

First of all BYU may have been in discussions with Big 12 about potential membership, there was no offer and that makes that a non option for BYU. Simply stated, a school can’t turn down an offer they did not receive in the first place.

I will give you credit for adding a nice spin on this topic.

My spin on this issues should have stated BYU had no good options except for going independent. Individuals or those running institutions all are free to make choices at any time. It all comes down to making good choices.

If you believe the WCC is better for varsity sports compared to the Big 12 have at it. WCC games are a rarity to be on TV in a close by market such as Phoenix while on the other hand Big 12 games are much more common to be on TV in the Phoenix market.

With the new 9 game conference schedules being adopted by the major leagues and scheduling alliances between other major leagues such as the Big 10 and Pac 12, the independent option is proving to be a very bad decision for BYU as well for football.

Teams are already dropping BYU and playing BYU OOC is not really the same as playing Notre Dame OOC. Notre Dame is the only school that can really be truly independent and have schools wanting to continue and free up schedules to play Notre Dame in football.

The Big 12 does not have to make any hasty decisions or compromised for BYU and just wait until BYU becomes a little more desperate and then decide if BYU is worth providing membership. That is my spin on the topic today.

Just to point out a problem with BYU's no Sunday play rule. Football and basketball aren't the only sports BYU would bring to the conference. Here is a list of the conference championships the Big 12 has that play on Sunday and BYU has a team for:

Women's Soccer
Men's Tennis
Women's Tennis
Men's Golf
Women's Golf
Men's Outdoor Track
Women's Outdoor Track
Baseball


Granted these are all movable and most likely not held hostage by a television contract. However, there may be a push back from the academic contingent on some of these. The tennis championships take place over 4 days. Move it back to Saturday as the final day and you'll have a Wednesday start day, athletes probably missing class already on Tuesday. That's a week out of school at the end of April right before finals. There are a lot of changes the Big 12 would have to make to ensure BYU doesn't play on Sunday.

For baseball they would either play a double header w/ us on Sat or come a day early. MWC made it work and was never a big deal. I don't see it being the reason why they aren't in now. BYUtv and wanting a special deal does. It's easier to move things that aren't televised to different day or time. If the bball title game was still on sun. and for some reason espn refused to move it, that would have been.