It's a done deal for every B12 and BE fan(minus Louisville) on the csn board. B12 wanting to land the pot of gold. BE wanting so see ACC suffer the misery of being raided. UL fans don't believe because it would take their spot.

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CSNBBS MB thread discussing Fox Sports article concerning new Big 12 Commish and "possibility" that the Big 12 eventually expands back to 12 with schools "like"Louisville,Notre Dame,Clemson and Florida State.For some reason BYU was not added to this list so it may not be a complete list.Link at http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=568656

I was shocked there was a report with such detail that hadn't been mentioned here (Then again, if it was months old like you guys said, I may have just missed it).

Honestly, I don't think it's very far-fetched from a competitive standpoint. The Big 12 is a better football conference than the ACC. And in basketball, with SU and Pitt joining, NCAA access for FSU/Clemson would be easier.

However, the ACC has a lot more stability than the Big 12, which remains essentially in Texas' hands.

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I was reading the ESPN article on the Big 12's new comish and noticed this paragraph.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story ... ob-bowlsby

"The Big 12 is reportedly working on a new television deal, and Neinas has pushed members to agree to a long-term grant of media rights to the league that would make it all but impossible for schools to bolt."

I'm I misinterpreting this or does it sound like the 6 year agreement isn't done yet? I thought it was not only agreed to but contractually signed by all. Am I wrong?

Seanbo,

The 6 year TV rights have been sighed over by all 10 schools and was part of the requirement for both TCU and WVU to join. What you are seeing is the extension of 13 years with the new contract is yet to be sighed. According to the outgoing commissioner, it is just a formality as all 10 schools have supposedly agreed to sign the 13 year rights as well once that contract extension is complete.

Why are some many of you ACC fans acting like "nervous nellies" based on the FSU and Clemson rumor of going to the Big 12?

If the ACC were making better decisions on football it would not matter if the Big 12 were stable or not.

I believe the 13 year extension of signing over TV rights will stabilize the Big 12 for long term. In college sports conference alignment, 13 years is an eternity.

The same issues occurring in the ACC under the leadership of a commissioner with ties from a basketball orientated school are the same issues that brought down the Big East football.

The ACC needs to worry less on Big 12 stability and more on how to improve ACC football.

It would help if ACC were less controlled by North Carolina and Duke and more influenced by Florida State and Clemson.

Based on Big East history which is similar to the ACC, this does not change easily and the only solution is to move to another conference if you want improved football.

Clemson & the ACC are not my favorite. I do have two family members that are Clemson grads. I've been to dozens of games there.

To understand Clemson and their fans, perhaps one may move to South Carolina for a couple of years. Their passion and mindset are rarely matched.
Their ACC identity, including being a charter member, is not fragile. Them going to the B12 ain't happening, nor does the B12 have the enticements to dislodge it. These fly-by-night "wish lists" get generated and spread by whomever and are supposed to be treated as informed and reliable?

The B12 has not yet agreed to further expand at this time and Bowlsby is not yet onboard. He would not be validating any wish list before officially in his role. If the B12 agrees to further expand, I expect he would be talking to a lot of schools. They do this all the time "unofficially". That does not define whom have their bags packed.

Lash, that's what I thought, thanks for the clarification, I think the wording could have been better.

As far as the ACC being nervous, I don't think their nervous at all. The story is just inaccurate. The ACC won't be nervous again until the SEC rumors start popping up again. The Big 12 stability is not a concern of the ACC.

The ACC and Big East are both basketball oriented conferences but that's where the similarities end. The Big East problem is the hybrid and the state of North Carolina's control has been dramatically reduced now that the ACC has 14 members.

ACC teams do not have to move to another conference to improve their football product. Florida State, Miami and Clemson needs to return to where they were before. If that happens, along with Virginia Tech staying as strong as they currently are, ACC football would be right be as strong if not more strong than the Big 12.

For FSU and Clemson to move to any conference other than the SEC, there better be a HUGE difference in TV money.

I found this on a pay board...take from it what you will

Reporter: You wanted repeat to our readers something about conference realignment now that it seems that Florida State and Clemson may be joining the Big 12 soon.

Source: If Clemson and Florida St defect to the Big 12, then the ACC will react and raid the Big East weakening both conferences to a point where the Golden Domers will start weighing their options. And if they decide (which all indications say they will) that they wish to continue their football independence then partnering with the Big 12 conference is inevitable. A year ago I said that the Big 12 would be looking to add ND's non-football sports, and that hasn't changed. In addition Irish football would join the conference as a loosely affiliated football partner (similar to their relationship with the BE but more profound), and would be included in the Big 12's bowl line-up and schedule a non-conference game with at least one conference member in addition to a yearly game with Texas including a Thanksgiving match-up every other year in Austin (in place of Stanford) if this plays out like many think. And Florida St/Clemson jumping ship would only expedite that timeline.

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Dennis Dodd report(previously posted in another thread)that Big 12 has verbally agreed to new ESPN/Fox deal at http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... pnfox-deal

Where is everybody finding this FSU/Clemson/Big 12 stuff? Is it just on fan boards? Unknowns with a Blog?
I still think it's garbage.

Kansas City Star article discussing possibility of future Big 12 expansion now that the Big 12 has apparently lined up a new Commissioner and tv deals.Link at http://campuscorner.kansascity.com/node/2633

Does anyone else spot the 500 lb. gorilla in the room that if Notre Dame joined an ACC without FSU and Clemson that FSU and Clemson would reapply instantaneously to the ACC? This isn't Rutgers potentially joining the ACC, it's friggin' Notre Dame. And it would instantly catapault the conference to the top, as it would be, quite literally, a "Super East" conference.

Oh, and let's not overlook that other 500 lb. gorilla where the Big XII, who couldn't get programs like Pitt, BYU, or Air Force, nor keep Missouri, but could swipe such a juggernaut that is the mighty, mighty (wee) Texas Christian, but somehow is in the mix for the ACC's historic best football programs.

This whole FSU-Clemson "defection" is nothing but a room full of big hairy apes. Why is ANY of this getting play?

These rumors come from West Virginia messageboards by way of Texas, where everything is bigger, even their bullsh!t.

I read somewhere that the recent Clemson / FSU movement rumors started from some article that was months old (essentially dating to last September, when TA&M was grousing about leaving he Big XII,
and speculation had the SEC jumping to 16). Maybe that is correct, maybe not....

I think Pitt/Syracuse preferred the ACC, due to geography and old rivalries.
Air Force AD stated that the Big XII would certainly mean more money, but he had to include a military commitment in his recruiting, and figured the teams USAFA would assemble would get killed
in Big XII competition, and he wanted no part of that.
I believe BYU is in play for Big XII expansion.
They are coming to their senses that being a FB independent is not the best arrangement, and they will have to be more accommodating and less demanding in their dealings with the Big XII,
than they apparently were when Big XII wound up inviting TCU / WVU to hurriedly get back to 10 members for their Fox / ESPN TV deal....
there is a post with interview with BYU AD Thomas Homloe (former SF 49er) and he talks about BYU's "posturing".

The Bashin Cutter.
I realize you’re a newbie on this board and we provide some slack to the new guys which sometime have refreshing ideas.

You have made several comment on several posts that are not factual yet you come across as some type of expert.

Maybe you were in other circles and do have a lot of knowledge, however, you have earn some credibility on the site before jumping on long time posters on this board.

Let me start off with this post. I am not disagreeing that WVU fans may have made up this rumor which we do not to my knowledge have any facts stated anywhere this rumor has a basis for truth.

You are the kittle calling the pot black with WVU fans. I see no difference with you or WVU fans.

First of all Pitt, Air Force, and BYU did not turn down a Big 12 invite because there never were invites for any of these three schools. Sure there were some discussions with all three, however, that does mean either of the three schools received invites and had the opportunity to turn the Big 12 down. So you sir are being just like WVU fans with no facts to base up your post. Do you actually know for sure Clemson and FSU have not contacted the Big 12. I think not!

The only two schools that supposedly received an open invitation to replace Nebraska and Colorado were the University of Arkansas and Notre Dame. And this we can’t actually confirm if these were actually true although some reliable people reported this rumor in the larger media circles.

It the same type of rumor reported on ESPN of FSU, Clemson, Texas A&M, and Missouri were going to the SEC when the Pac 12 was actually considering expanding to the Pac 16.

Again we can’t confirm if these rumor was true, however, did make the national media including ESPN.

And while I am on the subject of a couple of your post. You made a comment of poor taste of complaining about the hybrid Big East. We have been discussing this for many years the issues the hybrid has inflicted on the Big East football schools and to some extent the basketball only schools. You can call it governance or whatever you prefer, there are many post over the last decade that have many examples of the issues with hybrid.

I suggest you may want to review many of those historical post especially the Big East. You may actually learn something and at best will realize most of your comments have already been discussed or sliced and diced into so many different scenarios.

Please try and earn some respect on this site before coming across so arrogant.

No opinion is a bad opinion and no rumor is bad rumor regardless if you agree or not. Quinn are moderator may suggest some opinions be moved to the dream thread. And that’s all good as well. I like the dream thread. It sometimes fun to discuss scenarios that may never occur. It also good to think out of the box.

tute79,
I believe you are correct on this. The FSU-Clemson speculation about exiting the ACC for the SEC emerged during the SEC expansion movement. I believe some transitioned this talk to the later B12 expansion situation.
I do recall the SEC, particularly in looking at the #14 situation which was filled by Mizzou, SEC Presidents from So. Car. and Florida (interesting these two) were reiterating the conference's preference to not seek expansion in locales (states) whereby there were already SEC programs. By implication, this would refer primarily to FSU, Clemson, and of course GT and Louisville. In SC newspapers at the time, the Clemson AD conveyed "no SEC contact" and emphasized Clemson was not seeking it...added with the ACC commitment stuff. Remarks even suggested similar FSU sentiment. OK, at least public denials.
Due to Clemson & FSU locations amongst SEC east universities, and having super-sized stadiums and enthusiastic fan bases as most other SEC schools, speculating about FSU & Clemson joining the SEC when the SEC is expanding seems natural and obvious.
The SEC was really gearing for Texas A&M which had been a courtship for many years. Several schools to be paired with them were mentioned, including Oklahoma, at the time when most all B12 schools were struggling with options. Schools like VPI (to the east) were also mentioned. Mizzou, as #14, fell into the SEC's lap. They were not bound to any sister schools, and had residual discomfort and embarassment after being snubbed by the Big10. Texas A&M & Mizzou met the SEC's expansion objectives...athletic, markets, academic profiles, etc.

Clemson & FSU were ACC expansion proponents. They (along with GT and maybe a couple of others), did pressure the ACC back in 2003, that if expansion did not happen, they could look elsewhere. It was a ploy that worked. During the adding of Pitt & 'Cuse recently, the ACC again passed over WVU. While it is publically unknown whom every school in the ACC was for to specifically expand with, it is at least enough to figure that FSU & Clemson don't have particular high passion to be with WVU, especially to change conferences over it. So, a WVU interest-related proposition that Clemson & FSU wants to join them in the B12 doesn't hold water.

The ACC last expansions were to enhance stability and add new eastern markets plus more TV and bring in newbees' that were acceptable to the existing membership. If I recall correctly, there were reports BC didn't favor UCONN, which enhanced Pitt's selection to go along with Syracuse.

Will the ACC be happy and hold all together? Time and developments elsewhere shall tell. Not since So. Car. (a former ACC Charter member) around four decades ago, has an ACC member left. And, So. Car. paid a huge price, particularly in bb, while living as an independent, then Metro member. They got lucky when SEC '90 era expansion unfolded.

If the SEC does go to 16 at some point, and such does not appear to be in the works, I believe the future choices, as with some other big conferences, shall be circumstantial to the moment of the time.