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 Post subject: Big 12 realignment
PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 5:53 pm 
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The academic issue will serve as a detriment to UT and A&M joining the SEC. But should CU AND Missouri leave, I don't see UT and A&M staying. Perhaps an SEC West with Ole Miss, MSU, LSU, Arkansas, UT, A&M, OU and Ok. St.

TX and A&M garner more academic respect nationally that all the SEC schools except Vandy.

Unless you mean they are at a disadvantage in recruiting vs. SEC schools due to that fact...


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 Post subject: Big 12 realignment
PostPosted: Sun Mar 14, 2004 4:52 pm 
Interesting tidbit of note is that LSU and Ole Miss were approached at the formation of the Southwest Conference but chose not to participate, later to become charter members of the Southern and then Southeastern Confernce. Also, after the departure of Arkansas, the SWC apparently considered the addition of Tulane, but obviously such an expnasion was never completed. If it had been, there would have been de facto membership exchanges between the SEC and SWC (Arkansas-Tulane) as well the ACC and SEC (Georgia Tech-South Carolina).


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 Post subject: Big 12 realignment
PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 10:43 pm 
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Interesting tidbit of note is that LSU and Ole Miss were approached at the formation of the Southwest Conference but chose not to participate, later to become charter members of the Southern and then Southeastern Confernce. Also, after the departure of Arkansas, the SWC apparently considered the addition of Tulane, but obviously such an expnasion was never completed. If it had been, there would have been de facto membership exchanges between the SEC and SWC (Arkansas-Tulane) as well the ACC and SEC (Georgia Tech-South Carolina).


Niether Tulane nor GT has been in the SEC for decades.


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 Post subject: Big 12 realignment
PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 3:41 pm 
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Interesting article in Dave Campbell's Texas Football magazine about the demise of the SWC. He prefaces it with the comments that memories fade over 10 years and not all the memories were consistent. But he talked to many of the players in the realignment.

Summarizing some of the consensus:
Texas and Texas A&M seriously discussed moving to the Pac 10 in 1991.

In 1993 A&M was talking to the SEC and Texas was talking to the Big 8.

A&M thought they were going to the SEC as it made the most financial sense. They would go w/o Texas. They expected UH or TCU to be invited if Texas didn't go, but the SEC never committed to that (personally, I don't know how the SEC would have worked the divisions in that lineup).

UT AD DeLoss Dodds and OU AD were the drivers in the merger.

Politicians' importance was overplayed. Ann Richards (Baylor) was really not involved at all. However the politicians did make pre-emptive moves to let UT and A&M know that there would be consequences if Baylor or Tech were left out. One wondered what would have happened if it all played out 2 years earlier when the Lt. Gov. was from UH and the Speaker was from TCU. The Speaker had Tech ties and Lt. Gov. had Baylor and Tech ties and numerous chairmen had Baylor or Tech ties.

Tech and Baylor were always in the Big 12 mix. At the time, they were way ahead of the other 4 SWC schools. The UT president said Tech was never "on the bubble." Baylor was involved in the discussions early on.

The Lt. Gov. Bob Bullock "closed" the deal. He told A&M they were not going to the SEC. The quote was, "Well, you know, Texas Tech and Baylor and Texas are going to the Big 12, and you need to be with us."




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 Post subject: Big 12 realignment
PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 8:40 pm 
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Intresting bc before the Big 12 was formed I always thought of Texas as a Big 8 type of school and Texas A&M as a SEC type of school.


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 Post subject: Big 12 realignment
PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2005 8:23 pm 

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From an article in the Boulder Daily Camera:


http://www.dailycamera.com/bdc/sports_columnists/article/0,1713,BDC_2417_3745086,00.html


"But sources around the conference have recently hinted that chatter in conference backrooms suggests the football proposal might simply be laying the groundwork for something bigger.

There are rumors that the schools in the Big 12 South are quietly considering "seceding" from the conference. The theory is that the six schools from the South would invite Arkansas back to the fold, then invite someone such as TCU or SMU to help form a reborn, eight-team SWC.

That would obviously send North schools scrambling. Colorado, once a target of the Pac-10, would no doubt see if there's still any interest from those quarters. Missouri would turn an eye toward the Big Ten.

That would leave four other schools looking for a home.

Kansas State and Iowa State, two schools with no nationwide appeal and no television market, would be out in the cold.

Kansas, with its basketball tradition, would be appealing to someone, but probably not a conference with the current punch of the Big 12.

As for Nebraska, word is no conference is anxious to invite NU because of the Huskers' penchant for lax academic standards.

Far-fetched? Of course — but it's also worth remembering that the current Big 12 television contracts are up in 2007.

After that, negotiations are open, and anything's possible.

Stay tuned."

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 Post subject: Big 12 realignment
PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2005 8:42 pm 

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Sorry...slipped.
Anyways, some background to this:
- The "football proposal" is in reference to the recent request by the Oklahoma and Texas AD's to remove the divisions and hold a championship games for simply the top 2 teams of the 12. In addition, a suggestion was to remove the neutral site for the championship game and give home field advantage to the best overall team in the regular season.
- The North would clearly be against this, as it would prevent many of the teams from ever seeing the championship game....Iowa St, for example.
- In addition, there would need to be an appeal to the NCAA to allow a championship game for 12 teams with no divisions.
- The author admits this is certainly a stretch...but wow...that would be stunning if that happened. I think if the B12 South could get Arkansas-LSU or even Arizona-Arizona St......they would do it. But can they get those teams? And is this just a threat? Hard to say...but it is clear the Big 12 is somewhat unstable at this point.

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 Post subject: Big 12 realignment
PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2005 6:05 am 
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http://www.dailycamera.com/bdc/sports_columnists/article/0,1713,BDC_2417_3745086,00.html

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 Post subject: Big 12 realignment
PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2005 9:30 am 
I think that the reborn Southwest Conference should invite Phillips and Southwestern...


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 Post subject: Big 12 realignment
PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2005 9:33 am 
Apparently L(ouisiana) S(tate) U(niversity) and Ole Miss(issippi) were extended offers at the formation of the old Southwest(ern) Conference but declined...


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 Post subject: Big 12 realignment
PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2005 9:41 am 

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TX and A&M garner more academic respect nationally that all the SEC schools except Vandy.

Unless you mean they are at a disadvantage in recruiting vs. SEC schools due to that fact...


This is fundamentally not true. Florida is an AAU school, for example, and Georgia has delivered some impressive reseach, including Teacher Education. The International Business program at the University of South Carolina is among the nation's best. Mississippi State is well distinguished in agriculture and forestry. Ole Miss is well know in English Literature and some of the other fine arts.
Auburn, LSU, and other SEC schools are on the rise academically.


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 Post subject: Big 12 realignment
PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2005 8:50 pm 
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Sorry Wildcat fan, you are a little SECentric. The Big 12 has 7 AAU schools. The SEC 2. Certainly almost all the I-A schools have areas where they are very good and perhaps even the best in the nation (and many I-AA, Div. II and Div. III schools as well), but overall only Florida among the SEC publics are mentioned in the same breath as A&M, let alone Texas. His facts are quite correct.


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 Post subject: Big 12 realignment
PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2005 9:08 pm 
Why does the notion of "Teacher Education" at UGA immediately conjure up images of Jim Harrick Jr. and Jan Kemp?


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 Post subject: Big 12 realignment
PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2005 11:59 am 

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Why does the notion of "Teacher Education" at UGA immediately conjure up images of Jim Harrick Jr. and Jan Kemp?
Now that's funny!

Even moreso when you consider the state of Georgia's secondary education system. "We're #49! We're #49!" Thank heaven for all these out-of-staters, otherwise the state would look awful in statistics concerning adult education levels.


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 Post subject: Big 12 realignment
PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2005 12:29 pm 
Wonderful to see Mr. Gunnerfan, Mr. Ouija, and Bullet are such experts in assessing higher education in America. Which on of you is going to be the next Sec'y of Education? The University of Georgia will survive just fine, and will have no need to incorporate your knee-jerk, amateurish assessments into its future. And which one(s) amongst you are from the north, got your higher education in Georgia, and didn't leave? Enough said!


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