SEC Expansion & Realignment Thread

JPSchmack · **Joined:** Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:21 pm **Posts:** 851

lash wrote:

It is just this simple, If tthe Big 12 requires each school to sigh off the tier 1 and tier 2 TV rights for 6 years as its plan, there is nothing the SEC or that school could do because all home games of that school would be the property of the Big 12.

In other words you sigh up for the future Big 12, you better want to be there for 6 years because no conference is going to take a school they cant control the home conference game schedule of that school. For example the Big 12 could take a WVU/LSU matchup for its own TV network.

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

JP was the only one that missed the memo on the 6 years "prison term". JP you bring up a good point if Mizzou chooses the B12 before they come to the 6 year deal, I would like to hear why they chose the B12 over the SEC.

No, I got the memo. I just don't see how one of the two most powerful conferences in the country is going to be SOL for another member. It's absurd.

There's simply no way Missouri is going to sign that six-year rights deal before the SEC picks #14.
There's simply no way anyone from the Big East leaves a non-stable conference for a slightly less unstable conference AND signs away their TV rights to do so until the SEC picks #14 AND Notre Dame gives the ACC an answer.

Why basically hand over your freedom until the doors to the ACC and SEC have officially slammed shut?

It's no different than the WAC/BYU plot: "Yes, we will do THIS to establish our power as a conference! Oooh, you have an opening? Just kidding! See ya, guys!"

freaked4collegefb · **Joined:** Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:37 pm **Posts:** 7059

Chip Brown article(previously posted in another thread) reporting that MU and SEC are indeed exploring a "possible" league membership invitation.Next week should/could get interesting.Link at http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1271762

Quinn · **Joined:** Thu Oct 17, 2002 8:05 am **Posts:** 3757

seanbo wrote:

lash wrote:

JPSchmack wrote:

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

Worst case for the SEC is this

ACC adds ND and UConn, I can't see anyone wanting to leave an ACC w/ ND
B12 adds WVU, Louisville, BYU or Cincy or TCU and Mizzou wants to stay.
SEC options would be a left out TCU if they are left out or USF or CUSA school. That's how they get stuck at 13. Then hope in 6 years Mizzou or WVU would want out.

Why would schools joining the Big 12/ACC prevent them from joining the SEC if the SEC were to offer them? Who in their right mind would pick the Big 12 over the SEC? You think TCU or WVU would say "Oh sorry SEC, we already committed to the Big 12. We're gonna take our chances in a conference that's been on the cusp of collapse twice in 15 months. We're really not interested in the security and stability of the SEC." ?

It is just this simple, If tthe Big 12 requires each school to sigh off the tier 1 and tier 2 TV rights for 6 years as its plan, there is nothing the SEC or that school could do because all home games of that school would be the property of the Big 12.

In other words you sigh up for the future Big 12, you better want to be there for 6 years because no conference is going to take a school they cant control the home conference game schedule of that school. For example the Big 12 could take a WVU/LSU matchup for its own TV network.

So far, which BIG XII schools have signed up for this 6-year plan? Texas? Oklahoma? Missouri?

None have. It's all-or-nothing so if passed, it means everyone must sign or it doesn't pass. Everyone is waiting on Missouri at this point. Meeting later today should clear everything up a bit.

seanbo · **Posted:** Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:27 am

Quinn wrote:

seanbo wrote:

lash wrote:

JPSchmack wrote:

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

Worst case for the SEC is this

ACC adds ND and UConn, I can't see anyone wanting to leave an ACC w/ ND
B12 adds WVU, Louisville, BYU or Cincy or TCU and Mizzou wants to stay.
SEC options would be a left out TCU if they are left out or USF or CUSA school. That's how they get stuck at 13. Then hope in 6 years Mizzou or WVU would want out.

Why would schools joining the Big 12/ACC prevent them from joining the SEC if the SEC were to offer them? Who in their right mind would pick the Big 12 over the SEC? You think TCU or WVU would say "Oh sorry SEC, we already committed to the Big 12. We're gonna take our chances in a conference that's been on the cusp of collapse twice in 15 months. We're really not interested in the security and stability of the SEC." ?

It is just this simple, If tthe Big 12 requires each school to sigh off the tier 1 and tier 2 TV rights for 6 years as its plan, there is nothing the SEC or that school could do because all home games of that school would be the property of the Big 12.

In other words you sigh up for the future Big 12, you better want to be there for 6 years because no conference is going to take a school they cant control the home conference game schedule of that school. For example the Big 12 could take a WVU/LSU matchup for its own TV network.

So far, which BIG XII schools have signed up for this 6-year plan? Texas? Oklahoma? Missouri?

None have. It's all-or-nothing so if passed, it means everyone must sign or it doesn't pass. Everyone is waiting on Missouri at this point. Meeting later today should clear everything up a bit.

Exactly, it's just a proposal, means nothing at the moment. We should know something on Tuesday after Mizzou curators meet.

diabsoule · **Joined:** Mon Nov 08, 2010 7:47 pm **Posts:** 252

http://leatherhelmetblog.com/2011-artic ... ts-in.html

Take this for what it's worth - been a lot of rumors circulating on the subject

A member spoke to me the morning and verified that WVU had submitted a financial plan to the SEC and that WVU was (informally) voted on by SEC presidents. He didn't know the exact vote but it was in WVU's favor. He also confirmed that WVU's financial plan detailing how it would upgrade facilities and add SEC sports currently not offered at WVU was accepted.

WVU's offer was conditional on Mizzou staying in the B12.

Luck has been in contact with both the SEC and Missouri and both tell him that Missouri is staying the B12.

WVU is expected to formally withdraw from the BE this weekend and to formerly apply for SEC membership on Monday.

The SEC is likely to wait for Mizzou's BoC to meet and affirm their commitment to the B12. Soon thereafter WVU has been told the SEC will accept WVU's application and become the 14th member in the SEC.

Quinn · **Joined:** Thu Oct 17, 2002 8:05 am **Posts:** 3757

diabsoule wrote:

http://leatherhelmetblog.com/2011-articles/september/wvu-will-apply-to-sec-monday-unless-mizzou-wants-in.html

Take this for what it's worth - been a lot of rumors circulating on the subject

A member spoke to me the morning and verified that WVU had submitted a financial plan to the SEC and that WVU was (informally) voted on by SEC presidents. He didn't know the exact vote but it was in WVU's favor. He also confirmed that WVU's financial plan detailing how it would upgrade facilities and add SEC sports currently not offered at WVU was accepted.

WVU's offer was conditional on Mizzou staying in the B12.

Luck has been in contact with both the SEC and Missouri and both tell him that Missouri is staying the B12.

WVU is expected to formally withdraw from the BE this weekend and to formerly apply for SEC membership on Monday.

The SEC is likely to wait for Mizzou's BoC to meet and affirm their commitment to the B12. Soon thereafter WVU has been told the SEC will accept WVU's application and become the 14th member in the SEC.

Would be GREAT for most parties: Missouri passes on SEC because they feel big 12 is stable. WVU gets to upgrade to the SEC. Perfect for everyone.

Except the Big East. If UL is the pick for 10, it's over for the Big East. TCu leaves, down to 4 schools. Seeya BCS.

Quinn · **Joined:** Thu Oct 17, 2002 8:05 am **Posts:** 3757

Quinn wrote:

diabsoule wrote:

http://leatherhelmetblog.com/2011-articles/september/wvu-will-apply-to-sec-monday-unless-mizzou-wants-in.html

Take this for what it's worth - been a lot of rumors circulating on the subject

A member spoke to me the morning and verified that WVU had submitted a financial plan to the SEC and that WVU was (informally) voted on by SEC presidents. He didn't know the exact vote but it was in WVU's favor. He also confirmed that WVU's financial plan detailing how it would upgrade facilities and add SEC sports currently not offered at WVU was accepted.

WVU's offer was conditional on Mizzou staying in the B12.

Luck has been in contact with both the SEC and Missouri and both tell him that Missouri is staying the B12.

WVU is expected to formally withdraw from the BE this weekend and to formerly apply for SEC membership on Monday.

The SEC is likely to wait for Mizzou's BoC to meet and affirm their commitment to the B12. Soon thereafter WVU has been told the SEC will accept WVU's application and become the 14th member in the SEC.

Would be GREAT for most parties: Missouri passes on SEC because they feel big 12 is stable. WVU gets to upgrade to the SEC. Perfect for everyone.

Except the Big East. If UL is the pick for 10, it's over for the Big East. TCu leaves, down to 4 schools. Seeya BCS.

Then again, gotta think things are fine for WVU no matter what. If Big 12 lost Missouri to SEC, gotta think a UL/WVU tandem would be REAL high on the list.

diabsoule · **Joined:** Mon Nov 08, 2010 7:47 pm **Posts:** 252

Quinn wrote:

diabsoule wrote:

http://leatherhelmetblog.com/2011-articles/september/wvu-will-apply-to-sec-monday-unless-mizzou-wants-in.html

Take this for what it's worth - been a lot of rumors circulating on the subject

A member spoke to me the morning and verified that WVU had submitted a financial plan to the SEC and that WVU was (informally) voted on by SEC presidents. He didn't know the exact vote but it was in WVU's favor. He also confirmed that WVU's financial plan detailing how it would upgrade facilities and add SEC sports currently not offered at WVU was accepted.

WVU's offer was conditional on Mizzou staying in the B12.

Luck has been in contact with both the SEC and Missouri and both tell him that Missouri is staying the B12.

WVU is expected to formally withdraw from the BE this weekend and to formerly apply for SEC membership on Monday.

The SEC is likely to wait for Mizzou's BoC to meet and affirm their commitment to the B12. Soon thereafter WVU has been told the SEC will accept WVU's application and become the 14th member in the SEC.

Would be GREAT for most parties: Missouri passes on SEC because they feel big 12 is stable. WVU gets to upgrade to the SEC. Perfect for everyone.

Except the Big East. If UL is the pick for 10, it's over for the Big East. TCu leaves, down to 4 schools. Seeya BCS.

Then again, gotta think things are fine for WVU no matter what. If Big 12 lost Missouri to SEC, gotta think a UL/WVU tandem would be REAL high on the list.

Absolutely. WVU will either be in the Big 12 or SEC when all is said and done or so it seems. Only reason they won't be accepted is if the Big 12 stops at 10, which would be a bad idea in my opinion. Big 12 expands to 12 with TCU (or BYU), Louisville, and WVU. WVU goes to the SEC then Big 12 expands with TCU, BYU, Louisville.

Only issue is if the BYU/Boise St contract means that BYU is dedicating itself to football independence. Then who does the Big 12 admit to get to 12 if WVU goes to the SEC? Louisville, TCU, then perhaps Cincinnati.

Either way, the death of the Big East as a football conference is imminent.

Quinn · **Joined:** Thu Oct 17, 2002 8:05 am **Posts:** 3757

diabsoule wrote:

Quinn wrote:

diabsoule wrote:

http://leatherhelmetblog.com/2011-articles/september/wvu-will-apply-to-sec-monday-unless-mizzou-wants-in.html

Take this for what it's worth - been a lot of rumors circulating on the subject

A member spoke to me the morning and verified that WVU had submitted a financial plan to the SEC and that WVU was (informally) voted on by SEC presidents. He didn't know the exact vote but it was in WVU's favor. He also confirmed that WVU's financial plan detailing how it would upgrade facilities and add SEC sports currently not offered at WVU was accepted.

WVU's offer was conditional on Mizzou staying in the B12.

Luck has been in contact with both the SEC and Missouri and both tell him that Missouri is staying the B12.

WVU is expected to formally withdraw from the BE this weekend and to formerly apply for SEC membership on Monday.

The SEC is likely to wait for Mizzou's BoC to meet and affirm their commitment to the B12. Soon thereafter WVU has been told the SEC will accept WVU's application and become the 14th member in the SEC.

Would be GREAT for most parties: Missouri passes on SEC because they feel big 12 is stable. WVU gets to upgrade to the SEC. Perfect for everyone.

Except the Big East. If UL is the pick for 10, it's over for the Big East. TCu leaves, down to 4 schools. Seeya BCS.

Then again, gotta think things are fine for WVU no matter what. If Big 12 lost Missouri to SEC, gotta think a UL/WVU tandem would be REAL high on the list.

Absolutely. WVU will either be in the Big 12 or SEC when all is said and done or so it seems. Only reason they won't be accepted is if the Big 12 stops at 10, which would be a bad idea in my opinion. Big 12 expands to 12 with TCU (or BYU), Louisville, and WVU. WVU goes to the SEC then Big 12 expands with TCU, BYU, Louisville.

Only issue is if the BYU/Boise St contract means that BYU is dedicating itself to football independence. Then who does the Big 12 admit to get to 12 if WVU goes to the SEC? Louisville, TCU, then perhaps Cincinnati.

Either way, the death of the Big East as a football conference is imminent.

And it does seem more likely that if for some reason TCU got left out of the Big 12 (either they stop at 10 with BYU or UL...or there is a push to 12 but it's BYU, UL and WVU, then TCU likely remains in the MWC in hopes they will get the autobid. That said, it does seem that the MWC is positioning themselves so that wither they stay at 10 (or 11 with tCU) and get the BCS AQ or they merge with CUSA and get an autobid for the combined winner. It seems like the MWC might have something by the BCS in the form of feedback much sooner than we would expect, especially in regards to a post-merge AQ. Puts TCU in a spot where if they remain, they'd get a BCS shot wither way...when the question mark would be on the Big East.

SEC meanwhile seems fine at 13 or the 14 options. Who would have thought though, that it's looking like in the age of big money for football, that ACC AND Big 12 schools would pass on an SEC spot. Seems so odd to comprehend with the revenue differential, especially SEC over ACC. Just strange as we've all assumed that any school would jump to either Big Ten or SEC if given a shot and the TOTAL SEC candidate pool could be comprised of WVU and Louisville? Go figure. Good for the Big 12, good for Missouri...from an ethical standpoint...if Missouri passes.

tute79 · **Joined:** Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:25 pm **Posts:** 1492

I'll throw my guess out there....

Big XII actually going to 12 (XII)

BYU, TCU, Louisville, (Missouri stays)

North: BYU*,KU, KSU, ISU, Mizzou, Louisville
South: OU, OSU, UT, TT, Baylor, TCU

WVU to SEC - awesome.... I'm happy for them.

SO currently left in BE FB would be: UConn, Rutgers, Cincy, USF.
Like to see the first two go to ACC (16), the latter two return to CUSA (14).
MWC (10) could take 2 Texas schools from CUSA (14) to put 12 in each.... UTEP & who ?

Quinn · **Joined:** Thu Oct 17, 2002 8:05 am **Posts:** 3757

Dave Hart, Tennessee AD, tells the AP that SEC will expand beyond 13...no rush though
http://t.co/PbhAIxq2

footballgod · **Posted:** Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:09 pm

I'm wondering if the SEC does get an offer from Missouri and West Virginia at the same time? Do they get both and go for Va Tech, Florida State or Clemson. So the ACC can add UConn without Norte leech.

diabsoule · **Joined:** Mon Nov 08, 2010 7:47 pm **Posts:** 252

footballgod wrote:

I'm wondering if the SEC does get an offer from Missouri and West Virginia at the same time? Do they get both and go for Va Tech, Florida State or Clemson. So the ACC can add UConn without Norte leech.

That's been my thought process all along. WVU, Mizzou, FSU to the SEC. ACC then adds UConn and possibly even Rutgers and Temple. They would pretty much have a stranglehold on the northeast and eastern seaboard then.

Quinn · **Joined:** Thu Oct 17, 2002 8:05 am **Posts:** 3757

Personally, I don't think there is a chance of 16 for the SEC. I think it would take much more time, like months or years. And that $20 million ACC exit fee is a doozy....I don't think you'll see much flexibility from hear on out with conferences losing schools unless it's a case where the conference wants the school out early.

At this point, you've got limited SEC options if ACC schools are off the table. Missouri gives you new markets (StL, KC) in Big Ten and B12 territory and a top academic school...something the SEC is lacking. Add solid fan support and some level of football/hoops success and tey become attractive as a candidate. But even MO might stay. And aCC schools stay. Tough to fathom.

footballgod · **Posted:** Fri Sep 30, 2011 9:10 am

If the ACC decides on UCONN and lets say Temple "philly market" and UMASS good basketball schools too. This would then give the BIG Ten to force Norte Damage in along well lets say Rutgers and add Kansas or maybe even Iowa St they are a AAU school. The SEC adds FSU and or Va Tech along with WVU and Missouri why Missouri well The B1G left them out so did Taxas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma St twice! if i was left at the prom twice i wouldn't try it a third time or as in Missouri 4th time. Then the Big 12 could add six schools from MWC and CUSA. The MWC could add more from the wac and CUSA from sunbelt basically killing the BIG East, WAC and Sunbelt all at once.

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