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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:43 am 
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Article out of Little Rock(previously posted in another thread)discussing UA athletic finances with projected per school conference revenue distribution numbers for 2015-2016 at $34 million and $37.5 million for 2016-2017.Link at http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2016 ... /?f=sports


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I'm not a huge WBB fan...but, got to say RIP to Coach Summit. Wow, she really put WBB on the map and kicked a ton of ass at the same time. Way to go Coach! Hope your transition wasn't too painful. Enjoy the view from up on the mountain!

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Article out of Birmingham(previously posted in another thread)discussing status of SEC tv network for SEC media days at http://www.bizjournals.com/birmingham/n ... ading.html


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:04 am 
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USAToday article(previously posted in another thread)comparing SEC and Big Ten revenue with other Power Five conferences at http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/co ... c/89111786


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 11:13 am 
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USAToday article(previously posted in another thread)comparing SEC and Big Ten revenue with other Power Five conferences at http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/co ... c/89111786" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sorry just do not buy into this argument of revenue. Sure the AAC and MWC have always been at a disadvantage with revenue and this has more to do with lack of exposure that comes from TV generating all this revenue.

The Big Ten has generated more revenue for the last few years compared to other leagues yet the champion got trashed in the playoff last year and the second highest team lost in the Rose Bowl.

Why is the SEC so bad in basketball if revenue is so great?

Why are Purdue, Minnesota, Indiana, Illinois so bad in football?

The old Big East were always better than the old ACC yet the ACC generate much more money in the old BCS era.

Why has Boise State, Houston, UCF, Utah/MWC, won more BCS bowls that most of the 65 power schools making a lot less revenue.

It has more to do with the reputation of those leagues specifically the SEC football reputation that has won many BCS championships when the revenue were basically about the same as the other power leagues.

The SEC has always won many more football championships because it has the best high school recruiting grounds in the USA and has mostly year round practice weather.

A lot of these articles are written by fans or alumni of the SEC and Big Ten that want their leagues to appear to have the jump on the other leagues.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 12:54 am 
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Wow has any power league ever started the season with half of its members losing (7 schools out of 14 have opening loses). Factor in the shaky and overrated performance by Florida, Tennessee, and Arkansas and the close wins by home team Texas A&M and Georgia, and you got one good SEC school standing up for the playoff in Alabama.

The SEC better hope Alabama does not slip or a couple of the other power league champions do not go undefeated, else the unthinkable of the SEC missing the four team playoff is a possibility.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 10:28 am 
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It's early....

But when you have a roster full of new players with minimal game experience, it pays to schedule some pansies early on, knowing that the team isn't going to "gel" right away. Schedules are set years in advance, though, and it's hard to anticipate which mid-level teams might actually pose a real challenge....

These things go in cycles.... SEC was so very dominant about 3-4 years ago. Their rosters get SO loaded up, that some of the top recruits go elsewhere, so they don't face such fierce competition to get playing time, and get to start sooner. I think right now, the ACC is on the up-swing. However, this all changes so rapidly. To much success, and your coach gets a sweetheart deal to depart, and then the program suffers a bit.

I would think that right now (with the Big XII evaluating expansion candidates), people get all excited because Houston beat Oklahoma.
But the strength of the program is really "how have they done in the long haul ?". Is the program sustainable ? Lots of wealthy donors ?
A long-term commitment to nice facilities ? Not so much, "How well did the team do in a given week ?"


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 12:47 pm 
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tute79 wrote:
It's early....

But when you have a roster full of new players with minimal game experience, it pays to schedule some pansies early on, knowing that the team isn't going to "gel" right away. Schedules are set years in advance, though, and it's hard to anticipate which mid-level teams might actually pose a real challenge....

These things go in cycles.... SEC was so very dominant about 3-4 years ago. Their rosters get SO loaded up, that some of the top recruits go elsewhere, so they don't face such fierce competition to get playing time, and get to start sooner. I think right now, the ACC is on the up-swing. However, this all changes so rapidly. To much success, and your coach gets a sweetheart deal to depart, and then the program suffers a bit.

I would think that right now (with the Big XII evaluating expansion candidates), people get all excited because Houston beat Oklahoma.
But the strength of the program is really "how have they done in the long haul ?". Is the program sustainable ? Lots of wealthy donors ?
A long-term commitment to nice facilities ? Not so much, "How well did the team do in a given week ?"

Agreed the season is early, however, a loss is a loss in college football. Many of the seven teams losing in the SEC will have at least one more loss which most likely have those seven schools out of the playoff contention after week 1.

Houston is not a one year wonder and having a good football coach and power league membership could become a regular playoff contender similar to TCU and Baylor.

I would rate the early season power leagues as follows granted its early in the season.

1 Big Ten all top schools won
2 ACC same as top two schools won
3 SEC until Alabama losses, this league is in the playoffs regardless
4 Big 12 Oklahoma lost and Texas won so depending on the Red River Rivalry game results and if both schools have one loss could be in contention for a playoff spot Baylor cant be counted out as well
5 Pac 12 had a miserable opening week and with Stanford not dominating Kansas State does not look good for this league in the early part of the season
5 AAC tie Houston looks legitimate this year and if the school goes 13 and 0 would make the playoff or college football world will be fed up again with unfairness that resulting in the BCS going away

Notre Dame would have to most likely go undefeated the rest of the season to get into the playoff and that does not look very good in the early season results

I have been waiting for that issue of where two conference teams make the playoff which will prove the inadequacies of the four team playoff. The SEC were always close and in the BCS era had two teams compete for the championship. Possibly the Big Ten could get two teams in if Michigan and Ohio State only have one loss between the two schools at the end of the season and other conference champions have one or more losses. Since Florida State and Clemson play each other, not much chance of the ACC getting two teams in unless Miami becomes a surprise team this year.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:47 pm 
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College football is totally out of control and has become ridiculous with the SEC leading the way. ESPN talking heads propping up their investment is just about as a bad.

LSU firing Les Miles with the season only a third in is a complete embarrassment to the sport. This guy has won a national title and two SEC titles for LSU.

Bet Les wishes he would have taken that job at Michigan when the opportunity came around. He would at minimum got to finish up the season.

SEC fans are in a class of their own and not in a good way.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2016 12:07 pm 
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lash wrote:
SEC fans are in a class of their own and not in a good way.


My goodness, next they'll be burning couches and throwing batteries like they do at WVU.

Reality content:

Fans don't hire and fire, but are part of the pressure. Political influences and conflict among a school's personnel can be formidable. Mid-season football firings are not uncommon and happen somewhere, including outside the SEC, each season among major programs where the financial stakes are very high. Ask Lane Kiffin.

While firing Miles was unseemly with the timing, and it was tried the previous season, it was no secret he was on a very hot seat. Last season, LSU fans were largely on Miles side, and helped save his job at the time. LSU takes in 86.31 million a year, the fifth highest in the SEC. It's high stakes, and coaches know this. Mark Reich of Georgia who finished the season last year was another controversial firing. Georgia takes in 86.71 million a year, the fourth highest in the SEC. Reich is doing very well now at ranked Miami. Miles will land another good job also. Coaches know the potential risks in accepting contracts, and pay-off provisions are part of the negotiations.

With the 5 or so million a year salaries, plus big bonuses, those coaches are expected to deliver, and they are aware of the expectations. And those contractual buyouts don't come cheap. While it is ugly, and often poor decisions on part of the institutions that fire generally successful coaches, one should not feel sorry for them financially.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2016 ... res.html#0"


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 12:58 pm 
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lash wrote:
SEC fans are in a class of their own and not in a good way.


My goodness, next they'll be burning couches and throwing batteries like they do at WVU.

Reality content:

Fans don't hire and fire, but are part of the pressure. Political influences and conflict among a school's personnel can be formidable. Mid-season football firings are not uncommon and happen somewhere, including outside the SEC, each season among major programs where the financial stakes are very high. Ask Lane Kiffin.

While firing Miles was unseemly with the timing, and it was tried the previous season, it was no secret he was on a very hot seat. Last season, LSU fans were largely on Miles side, and helped save his job at the time. LSU takes in 86.31 million a year, the fifth highest in the SEC. It's high stakes, and coaches know this. Mark Reich of Georgia who finished the season last year was another controversial firing. Georgia takes in 86.71 million a year, the fourth highest in the SEC. Reich is doing very well now at ranked Miami. Miles will land another good job also. Coaches know the potential risks in accepting contracts, and pay-off provisions are part of the negotiations.

With the 5 or so million a year salaries, plus big bonuses, those coaches are expected to deliver, and they are aware of the expectations. And those contractual buyouts don't come cheap. While it is ugly, and often poor decisions on part of the institutions that fire generally successful coaches, one should not feel sorry for them financially.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2016 ... res.html#0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;"

Not sure what WVU has to do with coaches in the SEC?

If you do not believe fans have a lot to do with coaches getting fired, I have some great ocean front property to sell you here in Arizona. Just kidding!

Many of these coaches that get fired in mid season do not have multiple SEC titles and especially a national title for that school.

The University of Texas arguably is a much better school compared to LSU from a resource stand point. Texas is giving Charlie Strong until the end of the season and he has not had that many wins. That is the difference in class. My guess is LSU wanted to get the jump on Houston coach over Texas until the Houston coach had a mid season slump. Oh well!


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COUCHES ! (not coaches !)

For some odd reason, WVU fans will take old couches (sofas) and burn them (sort of like a bon-fire) ! Very weird....
At least they typically take them out into the street / sidewalk before lighting them on fire...

I think this is more for pep-rallies and victory celebrations (as opposed to riot-like behavior), though...

"How 'bout them 'eers ?" [Mountaineers]


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tute79 wrote:
COUCHES ! (not coaches !)

For some odd reason, WVU fans will take old couches (sofas) and burn them (sort of like a bon-fire) ! Very weird....
At least they typically take them out into the street / sidewalk before lighting them on fire...

I think this is more for pep-rallies and victory celebrations (as opposed to riot-like behavior), though...

"How 'bout them 'eers ?" [Mountaineers]

Oh got it. Sec03 is trying to be clever in putting down WVU fans when the state of North Carolina which he lives is real classy with their idiot bathroom law that set the state back 100 years and a has lost over a billion dollars in revenue.

I use to believe WVU was a good fit culturally for the SEC conference, however, North Carolina and its backward thinking on prejudice issues is a far better fit for the SEC.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 1:58 pm 
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LSU has been winning since Miles
was dismissed.
No need to do silly fantasy divisions
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lash wrote:
tute79 wrote:
COUCHES ! (not coaches !)

For some odd reason, WVU fans will take old couches (sofas) and burn them (sort of like a bon-fire) ! Very weird....
At least they typically take them out into the street / sidewalk before lighting them on fire...

I think this is more for pep-rallies and victory celebrations (as opposed to riot-like behavior), though...

"How 'bout them 'eers ?" [Mountaineers]

Oh got it. Sec03 is trying to be clever in putting down WVU fans when the state of North Carolina which he lives is real classy with their idiot bathroom law that set the state back 100 years and a has lost over a billion dollars in revenue.

I use to believe WVU was a good fit culturally for the SEC conference, however, North Carolina and its backward thinking on prejudice issues is a far better fit for the SEC.


Oh, Dear, Madame Curie still trolling my posts and trying to stalk where I live.


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