My two cents...once again. The Pac-10 will only expand if the Big Ten does, and then only with the additions of Colorado, and Colorado State. Even at that, they more than likely wouldn't even expand then.

Opinion from Fresno on my Bulldog's chances w/ the Pac-10. Sorry SoCalValleyDog, :'( This guy is right on except for the BYU/ Utah part, as has been discussed before.

http://www.fresnobee.com/columnists/mcewen/story/7866229p-8746671c.html

I also agree. I was only wanting to point out that Hawaii, Fresno and San Diego are the three best options, even if the PAC turns a blind eye to that fact.
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Neither Fresno or San Diego will get in without pressure from the state legislature.

As everything sits now there is no chance, but like I said you never know what may happen.

I'm not surprised the Pac 10 is still interested in Colorado, but here's a thought: is the Pac 10 interested in UTEP? Think about it. It's one of the campuses of the University of Texas, which really stresses academic research. El Paso is actually a pretty decent tv market as well. Not as big Dallas, Houston, or San Antonio, but still pretty big nevertheless. Anyone got any info about where UTEP ranks as far as research institutions are concerned? :)

No.

#195 in research dollars in 2001:
http://www.nsf.gov/sbe/srs/nsf03316/sectb.htm

Tier 4 for undergraduate in U.S. News ( = not in top 190)

Not considered a major player in any graduate or undergraduate discipline as far as I'm aware.

Austin is the only UT campus considered to be a big player in research. The others are primarily about undergraduate degrees.

Fresno to pump in 300+ mil into research and academics over a 5-6 year period.

I seem to have lost my link; gotta go get it. I'll post in a bit.

Having trouble finding the link I want, but came across this and thought I would add it.

http://www.fresnobee.com/sports/bulldogs/story/7935476p-8811120c.html

Well...

Just making a case for Fresno in the PAC (though it may never happen).

Over a 5-6 year period Fresno will raise and funnel 300+ million into there research and academic programs. this is on top of regular funding.

What I am saying is down the road academics will be a mut point for Fresno going to the PAC.

UCLA and Berkeley will block any Cal State campus from Pac Ten admission, and that includes San Diego State, which has more accomplished advanced degree programs (business is second tier, I believe) and a larger TV market.

Ultimately, the Pac Ten already owns the California footprint, from the Bay Area down to San Francisco and well into the valleys. They have nothing to gain by expanding within the state, especially just for expansion's sake. That's why Texas and Colorado are mentioned.

And the California state legislature is not going to put pressure on the Pac Ten. It's a socialist government that is more concerned with giving drivers licenses to undocumented, illegal immigrants than it is to football.

Change comes slowly to the Pac Ten. It was the last major conference to sponsor a basketball tournament, and it will be the last conference to expand to 12 teams.

All the same, kudos to Pat Hill for scheduling anyone, anywhere. I think it would be great to see an SEC team come to the San Juaquin Valley (of course, given most SEC teams' insistence on playing 7 home games a year, that SEC team may have to be Vanderbilt...)

Although not a California resident myself, I find it amusing that a Fresno State proponent believes that academics will become a "mut" point in regards to any future admission of FSU into the Pac-10...you forgot the two dots over the "u"...would that be an umlae(sp) or a schwa(sp)...

Spelling for "schwa" is correct, but not sure if it fits here, or does a schwa have different sounds? I believe its only "uh", but engrish is not my strong point.

Spelling for "umlae" is actually "umlaut" and if I knew how to add it in here, I would still have been wrong.

Asked a friend on the correct spelling and recived a frown and head shake at mine. mot (with the two dot thingies), not mut (with the two dot thingies), or as the friend I asked suggested, just spell it moot and quit being an idiot.

It is a good thing my girlfriend is out of town because I would have been dumb enough ask her and not my friend. She is the product of a good Michigan education and suffers my grammar and verbage (not even sure if this is correct, some say yes and some say no) shortcomings poorly.


I am not saying Fresno will ever make it into the PAC. What I am saying is if they are turned down or not invited in the future, it will not be because of the quality of athletics or the academic programs.

I completely agree. Fresno State is making tremendous inprovement in academics, and is bettering an already good athletic program. Unfortunately, I don't think current Pac10 members would every be willing to consider FSU on their level. Perception, not reality, means a lot. That makes academics to some degree a müt/mut/mute/moot point. ;)