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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:59 pm 
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But in 2016, why should the Pac-12 bail out David Boren?

There's no improvement in the value of the Pac-12 Network with Oklahoma. There is with Texas, but Texas is probably punching its card elsewhere.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 3:45 pm 
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Don't see the Big XII breaking up until the GoR expires in 2025.
However, the posturing of who goes where may commence some time prior to that.

Agree the PAC-12 has no vested interest in just "helping" a school like OU.
However, if the writing on the wall is that the Big XII teams will be dispersing and a P4 format will rise up,
this probably implies PAC expansion.

Part of the mess the Big XII currently finds themselves in relates to NOT anticipating and NOT being in a position to act pro-actively to take advantage of opportunities.
The PAC, SEC, ACC, and B1G should be engaged in contingency planning NOW so they are in position to act on short notice, to invite the teams they want for the future,
rather than settle for the left-overs after the smarter better-positioned conference(s) make their moves.
That means identifying the schools they want NOW, ranking them, and discussing how various combinations of new teams fit into their division formats, etc.

Not sure OU has a ton of appeal to west coast viewer, but they are a much more valuable TV property to the networks than Washington State, Oregon State....
OU could be available when the GoR expires in 2025.
Texas might be available as well, but they will be toting their LHN "baggage" for a few years after that (till 2030 ?).
So if the PAC ultimately adds 4 schools (not all would NECESSARILY be coming from the Big XII),
they may want to make an intermediate move to 14 BEFORE Texas is in play.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 7:45 pm 
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Considering that Texas and Oklahoma are at each other's throats I don't see them leaving together. I agree that the Pac 12 wouldn't be terribly interested in Oklahoma without Texas--I think they tried once a few years ago to go to the Pac 12 with Okie St but were turned down.

Texas without Oklahoma would add value to the deal. Would Larry Scott and company be willing to take this deal:

Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, and Baylor. Texas keeps the LHN until it expires. The other three provide content to the Pac 12 Network and make a Pac 12 Texas regional network possible.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2016 9:56 am 
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SBN article(previously posted in another thread)discussing PAC 12 future revenue situation at http://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal ... nue-future


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2016 3:09 pm 
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Part of the mess the Big XII currently finds themselves in relates to NOT anticipating and NOT being in a position to act pro-actively to take advantage of opportunities.
The PAC, SEC, ACC, and B1G should be engaged in contingency planning NOW so they are in position to act on short notice, to invite the teams they want for the future,
rather than settle for the left-overs after the smarter better-positioned conference(s) make their moves.
That means identifying the schools they want NOW, ranking them, and discussing how various combinations of new teams fit into their division formats, etc.


There are two conferences that can call their shots. The Pac-12 isn't one of them. That is a very simple equation:
Good TV Market-but-not-necessarily-good-COLLEGE-TV-market
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Geographic Isolation two time zones away (with apparently very little deference to Mountain TZ schools) from the action.

The ACC can't totally get there yet, but I'm convinced they can see the path.

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Not sure OU has a ton of appeal to west coast viewer, but they are a much more valuable TV property to the networks than Washington State, Oregon State....


I wouldn't doubt OU's appeal over the schools you mention. It just so happens there are legal entanglements that prevent some possible "selective merger" that tries to take Washington without Washington State... and unless Phil Knight buys Corvallis to turn it into an athletic non-college side project, I wouldn't be surprised if the Oregon Legislature found roadblocks to put up.

The Pac-12 is probably going to cite the isolation and tell the country that the desire of other conferences to get to 16 doesn't apply out west. Simple reason: not sustainable. You'll get something like 2 16s and a 20 and a 12 and like it.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 7:30 pm 
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fighting muskie wrote:
Considering that Texas and Oklahoma are at each other's throats I don't see them leaving together. I agree that the Pac 12 wouldn't be terribly interested in Oklahoma without Texas--I think they tried once a few years ago to go to the Pac 12 with Okie St but were turned down.

Texas without Oklahoma would add value to the deal. Would Larry Scott and company be willing to take this deal:

Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, and Baylor. Texas keeps the LHN until it expires. The other three provide content to the Pac 12 Network and make a Pac 12 Texas regional network possible.

Anything with the Longhorn Network is non-negotiable. It goes against the culture of the PAC-12.

If the PAC-12 was willing to accept the Longhorn Network, then Texas would have moved to the PAC-12 4 years ago when it was last proposed.


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Salt Lake Trib article(previously posted in another thread) discussing PAC 12 network distribution issues at http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4451817-15 ... ork-issues


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SBD article(previously posted in another thread)reporting that PAC 12 Networks will be seen on broader Dish Network tiers at http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Dail ... ac-12.aspx


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Jon Wilner blog article(previously posted in another thread)discussing increased PAC 12 Network revenue from new DISH and Charter deals at http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/10/21/p ... -more-cash


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AA blog article with comments from PAC 12 Commish regarding several topics at http://awfulannouncing.com/2016/pac-12- ... twork.html


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Jon Wilner article(previously posted in another thread)discussing Cal athletic department financial problems at http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/01/20/i ... nding-rate


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Jon Wilner article (previously posted in another thread)comparing PAC 12 revenue distributions with SEC and Big Ten at http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/02/07/c ... ec-big-ten


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 2:33 pm 
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Another illustration of the out-of-control greed of these athletic departments.
All P5 schools are raking in FAR MORE money than 5-10 years ago, yet they have ZERO financial discipline to live between their means.
They spend every last dollar and then some, creating an insatiable thirst for MORE MORE MORE !
At some point, the Golden Goose (TV) won't be able to sustain MORE MORE MORE.
We're already seeing it with ESPN losing subscribers to "cord-cutting".

Cal's athletic department is apparently trying to bankrupt the school.
When do the college presidents take charge and act like the adults ?


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Article out of San Francisco(previously posted in another thread)with comments from various PAC 12 ADs regarding PAC 12 networks situation at http://www.sfchronicle.com/news/article ... 910339.php


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Jon Wilner blog article(previously posted in another thread)with update on PAC 12 TV Networks at http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/04/24/ ... e-networks


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