PAC-12 Realignment & Expansion Thread
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Author:  tute79 [ Tue Dec 19, 2017 5:29 pm ]
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So yesterday ESPN head John Skipper "resigned due to substance-abuse issues".
Could this really have been about "performance" ?
Wouldn't be surprised to see allegations of more sexual harrassment / antagonism in Bristol.
It's a concentration of a lot of ex-jocks, some of whom may have never adopted a culture of being gentlemen (not a blanket assertion, but you can bet there is quite a bit of it). This was going to blow back on Skipper. He's the fall guy, before it gets back to the Mouse and Bob Iger.

Skipper behaves like a far-left leaning latter-day hippie who was killing the Mouse.
He WAY over-paid for various sports properties (far in excess of what Fox and others were bidding)
for NFL, NBA ($24 billion over 12 years !) and CFP.

Then tried to force on-air personalities to become social justice warriors, annoying the hell out of a lot of viewers.
Some folks may eat that up. I am admittedly one of many who belong to the "Shut up and play" mind-set.

Then kept raising ESPN subscription fees, chasing away ESPN's subscriber base.

He has been hurting Disney's bottom line. Unfortunately, many contracts are long-term, so damage will take a while to reverse.
ESPN buying Fox regional sports may be somewhat anti-competitive, but maybe now there will be an effort to hold the line on TV contracts for events.
With cord-cutting rampant, look for some cost-containment going forward.

Author:  freaked4collegefb [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:10 am ]
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Jon Wilner blog article discussing PAC 12 FB situation following poor league bowl showing at ... verything/

Author:  tute79 [ Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:05 pm ]
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Why the panic ? So much of this is cyclical.

PAC owns state of California, which (with Florida and Texas) is most fertile football recruiting ground.

1-8 in bowls looks bad.
But consider...
Several other power conferences didn't have enough bowl-eligible schools to fulfill their contractual agreements.
PAC got 9 of 12 teams into bowl games. That equates to more money.

PAC is in a state of flux with football. wait 2-3 years.
Lots of new coaches - some will likely be very successful.

In terms of conference network and TV revenue, PAC has a different model.
I would suggest to try to shift to the Big Ten / SEC model, or maybe look at what ACC will be doing...
But the Disney/ABC/ESPN purchase of Fox regionals may be anti-competitive in terms of bidding for the PAC's TV rights...

PAC merger with Big XII ? 24-team conference ? If Big XII could pawn WVU off on ACC, then do something like this:
PAC West PAC East

Wash Colorado
Wash State Colorado State*
Oregon Boise State*
Oregon State Iowa State
Utah Kansas
BYU* Kansas State

Cal Oklahoma
Stanford Oklahoma State
USC Texas
UCLA Texas Tech
Arizona TCU
Arizona State Baylor

maybe this could lead to more stability and better NATIONAL TV deal for all....

Author:  pounder [ Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:15 pm ]
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I like to think the genesis of this article was a USC booster talking to a blogger over a couple tall drinks. The way USC is known to push around the Pac-12, I have to ask the followup...

Why yak about a merger of the 12s when USC and Texas can pick and choose a conference to their liking?

Lose Washington State and Oregon State and Utah and maybe Arizona State. If Washington wants to cite state law that Washington State has to be with Washington, don't invite Washington. Maybe they think Oregon's a paper tiger.

Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas State, WVU, TCU or Texas Tech, no thanks.

How many is that? 14, give or take a couple? Might be too much. USC and Texas possess the capability to be rather savage.

Author:  freaked4collegefb [ Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:58 am ]
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Oregon blog article with opinion piece regarding possible future of the PAC 12 at ... ndon-ship/

Author:  lash [ Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:34 pm ]
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freaked4collegefb wrote:
Oregon blog article with opinion piece regarding possible future of the PAC 12 at ... ndon-ship/" onclick=";return false;

This type of reporting support the fact that came out of the Big 12 meetings last year with the TV consultancy firms of the need for future power football leagues. Will the same format of power football leagues be necessary in the future for major football?

Conference networks including the more successful SECN and BTN are based primary on growth with cable subscription fees. We all know the issue with ESPN losing cable subscribers in huge numbers. Factor in the merger of Disney and FOX and will the Big Ten be able to command the next type of payouts with the conference renews half of its tier 1 contract in six years. Big Ten reports are always bragging about the huge payouts partly due to the doubling tier 1 money having both FOX and ESPN making bids. Will this continue for the Big Ten and the Big 12 and Pac 12 as well when those contracts are due in the next six years not having both FOX and ESPN competing for football inventory?

This is where the pay as you go comes into place and bigger more brand names could possibly make more money as independents in football or partial independents (i.e. Notre Dame agreement with the ACC). Would a couple tier 2 football games generate as much money as the PAC 12 networks payout if the games were Texas/USC? In the past most of these type of games went to the tier 1 and tier 2 contracts and the body bag tier 2 football games went to the conference networks.

There will always be a need for conference affiliations for basketball and Olympic type sports for scheduling purposes. Football maybe not such much for the major power leagues. If a conference such-as the Big 12 without a network to tie up tier 3 moneys could provide and LHN type of deal for schools such as USC would that make more money compared to the current type of alignment. Will find out in the next five or six years when the Pac 12 becomes the first league to negotiate its tier 1 contacts with a merged Disney/FOX.

All of these factors were some of the major reason the networks did not want the Big 12 to expand and possibly hold spots open for future schools that may make more money being a Texas/LHN or Notre Dame/NBC type of power football school.

It is highly possible that a USC school would want to make a move to good power league for basketball and make more money in football as partial or fully independent.

Author:  freaked4collegefb [ Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:16 pm ]
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Jon Wilner blog article with update on PAC 12/Sirius deal at ... t-details/

Author:  freaked4collegefb [ Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:31 pm ]
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Jon Wilner blog article discussing "possibility" that PAC 12 will eventually expand conference BB schedule to 20 games at ... ore-sense/

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