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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:34 pm 
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I don't think anybody would need to join Pac-12 alongside San Diego State. Pac-12 should part ways with Colorado and stay 12. Aztecs are undoubtedly Power 5 material. I do disagree that UC schools look down on all Cal schools. Cal Poly is a Cal State school, and has a superb academic reputation. San Diego State turns down a higher percentage of applicants than several UC schools, and has stricter academic requirements than UC Irvine and Davis. So, I think San Diego State makes the grade. As for Hawaii or Colorado State- they aren't Power 5 material. Not even close. Boise State is the only other potential Power 5 candidate in the Mountain West, but San Diego has been outplaying them in Football and Basketball and that whole smurf turf schtick is kind of silly. I think Texas schools aren't Pac-12 by virtue of their location. Texas would be better in Big 12, in my opinion.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 7:10 pm 
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SDSU isn't near power 5 material. The football program has never even sniffed at a potential "BCS Bowl" or NY6. They need to focus on getting a stadium built on or near their campus. Who has SDSU defeated lately in power conference football? Nobody

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:51 pm 
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UNLV might look like a better offer if this goes through:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14669 ... dium-sites" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/01/29/oaklan ... -las-vegas

In short the owner of the Sand corporation wants to build a $1 billion dollar stadium on the UNLV campus. They want to attract the Oakland Raiders to pay in the new stadium(which owner is in Vegas today) Should this go through the NFL and it agrees which is still a long task to begin with would this propel UNLV to the top of a possible expansion list for the Pac 12?

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 3:58 pm 
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The NFL isn't going to sign off on a team in LV for gambling reasons. Unless changed, the Raiders in LV wouldn't be able to have any bets placed. Tens of millions would be lost over the season. Imagine if the Raiders made it to the super bowl while hosted in LV and the bets that wouldn't be. Players/Refs could throw games on high stakes gambling. How would/could that be policed?

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 5:46 pm 
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A legitimately strong UNLV athletic program in a state-of-the-art new stadium is probably the only thing that could save the Big XII. Add them with BYU and...

The Big XII isn't listening though. Every year that passes they squander a chance to improve their lot in life by at least trying to bring G5s up to their level. It wasn't that long ago that Colorado State ruled the MWC and not TCU. It wasn't that long ago that 14-0 Utah* dominated Alabama in the Sugar Bowl the same decade they went to the Final Four in basketball. But yeah, the Big XII is content to do nothing and so be it. They are rolling the dice (pardon the Vegas pun) by doing nothing and everyone else at the table (PAC, BIG, SEC, ACC) is thrilled to be sharing a table with such a risk-adverse player in the P5 game.

*this Utah team also throttled @Texas A&M and @Baylor this same season. You think that would hit the Big XII's radar but it didn't. Neither did Utah losing by six points to a pay-for-play 7 NBA player Kentucky team in the 1998 Final. PAC-12 noticed though. And the Utah ship eventually sailed by the Big XII just like the Louisville ship that won a National Title in Basketball and a Sugar Bowl over Florida the very next year after being passed up by the Big XII.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:12 pm 
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So will the Sands be going through with this project with or without the NFL? If this gets built it would be huge for the UNLV Rebels, particularly if the NFL thing doesn't work out and they are the biggest show in town with a great facility. It should generate a recruitment bump and hopefully put UNLV in the expansion discussions if the Big 12 ever realizes they should have looked West instead of East. Think they could have non-NFL markets in BYU, UNLV, San Diego St, and then let's throw in Colorado St to build a bridge and reclaim a state they lost in 2011.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 5:34 pm 
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The NFL isn't going to sign off on a team in LV for gambling reasons. Unless changed, the Raiders in LV wouldn't be able to have any bets placed. Tens of millions would be lost over the season. Imagine if the Raiders made it to the super bowl while hosted in LV and the bets that wouldn't be. Players/Refs could throw games on high stakes gambling. How would/could that be policed?


This is a case study in how mental associations are made; and how they lead people down an illogical path:

This is the mental association:
Vegas = Gambling.
Sports + Gambling = Fixing Scandal.
Vegas + Pro Sports = Certain Fixing Scandal.


But that's actually the exact opposite logic one should take.

Let's go through the list of colleges with point shaving/fixing scandals: CCNY, LIU, Manhattan, NYU, Bradley, Kentucky, Boston College, Tulane, Northwestern, Toledo, San Diego. Those were underground bookmakers, illegal bookies, taking the bets. The bookies losing their money on fixed games would also go to jail for running illegal sports books.


Las Vegas has LEGAL sports gambling. Conducted by billion dollar corporations with a massive financial interest in preserving the integrity of the game. THEY are the ones who stand to lose lots of money if there’s a fix, so they’re the ones hiring expensive consultants to monitor action on games. And they pull games off the board when there’s suspicious activity on a game.


The Arizona State scandal of 1994? The FBI got tipped of… by the sports books. One book noticed a surge in action in Arizona State games, called the Gaming Commission, they pulled data from all the other books, and realized the same guys were laying a ton of money on only ASU games. So they called the FBI and the FBI busted up the point shavers.


In 69 seasons in which gambling on their games was legal, no scandals for Nevada or UNLV. And betting on them is legal, by the way. That law you're citing actually WAS CHANGED, and it was FIFTEEN YEARS AGO.

There's ZERO real-world link between a team playing in Vegas and gambling scandals.

And it's even more ridiculous for professional sports. College players have no salaries.

To fix an NFL game, you'd probably need the quarterback in your pocket. The average Starting NFL quarterback has a $62.3 million contract paying an average value of $14.1 million per year. How much do you have to bribe that guy to make him risk a $60 million contact? The 1919 Black Sox were offered $15,000 when their salaries were $3,000 to 6,000.

The amount it would cost you to bribe a significant player capable of fixing an NFL game would be so high, sports books would INSTANTLY pull the game for suspicious activity.


The ONLY league who would worry at all about Las Vegas is the NBA.

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