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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 1:37 pm 
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New messages are being presented that the PAC-12 is falling behind the SEC and B1G in financial distributions and near future projections. Here are a couple of blog articles on the topic:

College Hotline (Jon Wilner, 03/05/2015).
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegespo ... more-39078

Noted: *Univ. of So. Carolina AD Ray Tanner reported to his BOTs' that the SEC Network will distribute at least 5 million per school from the first year of experience. That would be 4 million more than PAC 12 Networks in this, their third year.*

*2017-18 projections:
SEC 35.6 million
B1G 33 million
PAC12 22.95 million*

From NBC Sports College Football Talk (03/05/2015):

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.co ... ney-again/

The article includes references to PAC 12 AD Scott's battle with Directv.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 3:27 pm 
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New messages are being presented that the PAC-12 is falling behind the SEC and B1G in financial distributions and near future projections. Here are a couple of blog articles on the topic:

College Hotline (Jon Wilner, 03/05/2015).
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegespo ... more-39078" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Noted: *Univ. of So. Carolina AD Ray Tanner reported to his BOTs' that the SEC Network will distribute at least 5 million per school from the first year of experience. That would be 4 million more than PAC 12 Networks in this, their third year.*

*2017-18 projections:
SEC 35.6 million
B1G 33 million
PAC12 22.95 million*

From NBC Sports College Football Talk (03/05/2015):

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.co ... ney-again/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The article includes references to PAC 12 AD Scott's battle with Directv.

Something does not seem right with these projected figures concerning the SEC.

Forbes has the SEC making 271 million in 2014 which would translate into about 20 million per the 14 SEC schools.

Not sure if the Forbes estimated include the SEC network figures. Regardless if they do, it would only bump the SEC up to 24 million per school.

Based on 2014 figures, the SEC would have to increase each school payout by about 9 million or 126 million by 2017.

Either Forbes figures are incorrect which I would think not, or ESPN must be willing to increase the SEC payout for its network by 126 million per year by 2017. Or the current tier 1 has to increase each year by that amount.

Either way something is not adding up with SEC math.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:26 pm 
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There were the projections, but the SEC had a windfall. That had been evident with the B1G before. From what was read, the fiscal year's earnings have yet to be distributed to each campus. The point of the San Jose Mercury article, who have been regularly following PAC 12 projections and distributions, indicates the PAC 12 stream will be lagging behind comparatively. They are the ones saying this from California. SEC actual amounts have not been announced per the fiscal year because not all revenue has been collected to date. AD's would be reporting to their governing boards on what anticipated revenue from the network would be forthcoming. They should have a clear idea directly from the source. A windfall could be substantial.
As to the PAC12's dispute with Directv, that factors. It sounds as if that is still trying to be resolved.


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Sec03, do you by any chance know how much each Big 12 school will be making in the next school year and if it's the result of a television contract made pre 2011 (before the 4 teams left)

If it was made before then AND each PAC 12 team will make more than the Big 12 teams, then the PAC 12 is in good shape.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 12:24 pm 
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Sec03, do you by any chance know how much each Big 12 school will be making in the next school year and if it's the result of a television contract made pre 2011 (before the 4 teams left)

If it was made before then AND each PAC 12 team will make more than the Big 12 teams, then the PAC 12 is in good shape.

The new TV contract with Big 12 had nothing to do with the four schools that left the Big 12. One of Bowlsby first major tasks when he took over the Big 12 was to finalize the new Big 12 TV contact. Part of the contract negotiations most likely required the GOR signed to ensure stability and no other schools were going to leave during this contract period which extends into 2026.

The new TV contract with Fox and ESPN did require the Big 12 to have a minimum of 10 schools to ensure enough inventory was made available for football, otherwise, we may have been looking at he new Big 12 with only eight members.

According to the latest update by Bowlsby on conference revenue projections, each Big 12 school will be making over 30 million per year when during the final years of the current contact.

It would have been interesting to see what type of contact would have been provided if the four schools would have remained. Would the contract have been the same or could have more revenue been provided and further expanding the gap with the Big 12 and Pac 12 schools.

If Colorado and Missouri would have been able to look into the future and see how stable the Big 12 eventually became with the GOR, not sure either school would have made the moves to other leagues.

Remember how desperate the University of Colorado became when Baylor was pushing to be included in the Pac 16 proposal and jumped head first into any Pac 12 expansion scenarios prematurely. At the same time Missouri was actually believing the school may be forced to join the old Big East with Big 12 leftovers Kansas, Kansas State, and Iowa State.

What would have been interesting to see how more or less revenue the 10 schools would have been able to command in TV negotiations had Missouri and Colorado decided to remain in a 10 member Big 12.

Texas, Baylor, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Kansas, Iowa State, Missouri, Colorado

compared to current 10 member Big 12

Texas, TCU, Baylor, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Kansas, Iowa State, West Virginia

I am guessing that only Nebraska and all of its football tradition was the only true loss in the four schools that left the old Big 12.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:07 pm 
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Mex-Murican Martian wrote:
Sec03, do you by any chance know how much each Big 12 school will be making in the next school year and if it's the result of a television contract made pre 2011 (before the 4 teams left)

If it was made before then AND each PAC 12 team will make more than the Big 12 teams, then the PAC 12 is in good shape.

Actually the PAC12 is in very good shape. One problem with determining earnings is that they don't get reported until the following fiscal year. The PAC 12 reported 334 million in total revenue ending June 30, 2013, the first year of the 12 year, 3 billion TV rights deals with ESPN/Fox. That was a $158.1 million increase over 2011-12. $22.95 million per school is projected for 2017-18; but that's anticipation. $250 million is expected from the average annual payout off scheduled TV (USAToday, Forbes, San Jose Mercury articles).

Also, I've seen no firm anticipation figures on the B12 for 2014-15. Reported last May 30 (2014) by the Kansas City Starr, Bowlsby indicated that B12 schools would be making 3 million more per year over the prior collection. For 2013-14, the average amount received by each B12 school, excluding the $16.8 million the conference received in bowl revenues, was $20.9 million.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:46 am 
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I am guessing that only Nebraska and all of its football tradition was the only true loss in the four schools that left the old Big 12.


Both sides are hurting from that departure. Nebraska, without its ability to scholarship players liberally, and without its geographical pipelines to Texas and the West Coast, is just another Rust Belt talent mooch. Perlman so desperately wanted to be part of the Big Ten, I doubt he ever called Larry Scott or anyone at Boulder about the two of them heading over.

I'm one who thinks Nebraska, the school, should have been in the Big Ten decades ago. Maybe even a century ago. Nebraska the football program? It'd still be relevant were it in the PAC if it had to go somewhere. It could still steal midwestern talent while benefitting from games in CA. Once the PAC figures out how to tap into Texas, Nebraska could be what it once was again.

But, Perlman wanted to work the Big Ten, and seemed to only want to talk to PSU's ex-president.

Missouri, on the other hand...I think they got it right. I just hope a leadership change doesn't shift the focus back onto Big Ten membership.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:28 am 
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Comments (4/17/2015) from PAC12 Commissioner Larry Scott and fb playoff committee member, Condoleezza Rice, expressing that the playoffs are unlikely to expand beyond four teams.

Also, the playoff committee membership has changed by two: Texas Tech AD, Kirby Hocutt; and former Vanderbilt and Furman Coach, Bobby Johnson, are the new members; replacing Oliver Luck and Archie Manning.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/sto ... ll-playoff

http://www.universityherald.com/article ... i-rice.htm


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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2015 10:03 am 
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Article out of Salt Lake(previously posted in another thread)discussing PAC 12 network situation at http://www.sltrib.com/sports/2542838-15 ... k-clinging


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