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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 8:46 pm 
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Good posts Mex-Murican! I would agree with both posts, except for the Texhoma 4 or nothing. I believe that if they can't get them, then you have a case for grabbing the top schools in the MWC. This would allow for an expansion later on by 8 schools to 24 with a third 8 team division in 2025 or 2027. This gives the PAC the ability to choose the top 8 schools of the B12 to get to 24 plus the top 4 of the MWC (which are improving facilities ie Colorado St. and building good fb teams).


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:54 am 
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Good posts Mex-Murican! I would agree with both posts, except for the Texhoma 4 or nothing. I believe that if they can't get them, then you have a case for grabbing the top schools in the MWC. This would allow for an expansion later on by 8 schools to 24 with a third 8 team division in 2025 or 2027. This gives the PAC the ability to choose the top 8 schools of the B12 to get to 24 plus the top 4 of the MWC (which are improving facilities ie Colorado St. and building good fb teams).


In that context, I agree with you. I was just trying to emphasize that Larry Scott really wants the Texahoma 4. But in the possible case that none of those schools come, than they have to poach the MWC. If that does happen, I expect that only the following get a promotion.

Nevada: It's the state's flagship, and has the infrastructure and land to become a respectable Power 5 team.
UNLV: It would give the Pac the last really big market in the west coast, and acts as the rival for UN. The only thing that would hurt it's call-up would be if it didn't work on becoming a Tier 1 Research school by 2025. (But I'm sure the heads there are aware of that, as they have already made great strides) Plus it has the potential to become a talent hub with a very dedicated fan base. Since it would be Las Vegas's only big sports team.
New Mexico: The worst case scenario for the Pac 12 would be a dream come true for UNM. A historic doormat in football, but gets a call-up because it is the last and biggest west coast state not in a conference. Plus it's the state's flagship inside a top 40 media market. Using this same argument...
San Diego State: As much as the Cali 4 would kick and scream against this happening, the rest of the conference would love it. It's essentially another game in Cali, and expanding into a top 20 media market right in there own backyard.

PAC 16

North: Stan/Cal, Nevada/Las Vegas, Oregon/State, Washington/State
South: UCLA/u$c, San Diego/New Mexico, Arizona/State, Utah/CU-Boulder

In this worst case scenario, the Pac 16 would be a great regional conference that essentially owns a coast to themselves. But as a result, get no respect in the east coast media. It would work against them when negotiating a new T.V deal. Which is why if worst comes to past, the PAcific Coast Conference will not expand past these four.

Utah would be saturated with 2 schools (and it would be State, not BYU) while the state of Nevada could handle 2. Since Reno is in the north and Las Vegas is in the south. While the state of Colorado could easily support Boulder and State, it doesn't make sense to double down on the Denver market, when you can have 2 separate and unique products in Nevada's case. New Mexico and San Diego State would become great additions to the conference over time, that immediately gives you the last few main west coast cities not in the Pac. In any scenario, you will never see Boise State, San Jose St, Fresno St, or Hawaii in the Pac 12 conference. And I repeat will never happen.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:29 pm 
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I can never see UNLV getting the nod. It won't matter how much money they dump into their athletics...it's the kind of school that ones like Stanford, USC, and Berkeley want no part of institutionally. California politics might coerce SDSU's inclusion, but that assumes the Cal State system has that kind of legislative sway over the UC system.

CSU, UNR, USU, UNM...I think these are the ones the PAC would consider (beyond SDSU), and of those, Colorado State's probably got the best chance...which is still very closer to none than it is slim.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:56 am 
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About 2 years ago, larry Scott admitted in an interview that the PAC Presidents talked about some future expansion candidates and he mentioned 3 schools.
I reacll that 2 were SDSU, and Boise St. I'm thinkiing the other might have been BYU, but I wouldn't swaear to it.

When you look at that little PAC-12 map (Arizona in Tucson should be south of ASU in Tempe), you see holes in Nevada, Idaho, New Mexico.

Nevada has SOME population.

I wonder if University of Nevada (Reno) is any more palatable than UNLV.
UNLV is the big LV market, but has the stigma of gambling mecca and the (lingering ?) "Rebel"iousness of the Tarkanian era.
UNR (I suppose) is the flagship school, but I assume it is a smaller school and clearly smaller market than Las Vegas.
And Reno is still another "llittle" gambling mecca in a gambling state.

Is a "gambling" association (however weak) still a big deal ? California, Arizona, and other states have casinos on Indian reservations....
UNLV and UNR could rightly claim: "Yeah, there are casinos down the road, but some other PAC-12 members have the same".


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 11:54 am 
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Tute79,
I don't think that casino's are the problem here. I think it boils down to: A. are the institutions academically sufficient, B. media market, C. how good is the football program, D. will these schools make us look bad?, and E. can we expand in states we have and in states that we don't, and finally F. are these big schools that can grow to be PAC powers? Now these are not in any particular order.


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NorwichCat11 wrote:
Tute79,
I don't think that casino's are the problem here. I think it boils down to: A. are the institutions academically sufficient, B. media market, C. how good is the football program, D. will these schools make us look bad?, and E. can we expand in states we have and in states that we don't, and finally F. are these big schools that can grow to be PAC powers? Now these are not in any particular order.


Agreed. A and D are biggies, and maybe even cost OU their spot, by tying themselves to State. B's maybe a bit cloudy...I think, by "media market," it's not just population, but maybe more pointed, like alumni footprint and cultural similarities?

Boise State's candidacy, or Scott's shout-out, is a bit of a head-scratcher, but it could cut both ways. Academically/institutionally, admitting them is worse than UNLV. But, Boise's got a rabid football following. And it recruits...well. Their basketball venue is/was a NCAA tournament stop, so it's not a question of venue quality. And Boise's already a PAC member in wrestling. I think, though, Scott was just throwing them, and SDSU, a bone. Politically speaking, if Boise did get in, I bet Cal State goes ballistic on the state and conference. Taking Boise would pretty much force the conference into tapping SDSU, I think. The PAC might be game with one, but not both.

I assume the PAC would take Air Force, but we're all under the assumption AFA turns them down out of competitiveness, right? I suspect AFA's "modesty" is a catalyst for Colorado State to grow big and fast before AFA has the kind of people who aren't so humble?


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Article out of Portland(previously posted in another thread)with comments from PAC 12 Commish regarding various topics at http://www.portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sp ... -athletics


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