Fresno St. Alum wrote:
And all this is a bunch of nonsense to me, pretending all of what happened doesn't count 1 year or 13 years later. Michigan's fab 5 was in the final 4 in 92 and 93, vacate shmacate. You can achieve a logical punishment w/ firings, scholly cuts, fines, no bowls, no tv. No need for vacating. The Saints didn't vacate their games, neither did the Pats, it really f*cks up history books by doing that. You can put an * if you want, no need to vacate.
To play devils advocate, I think that is the point. One can argue that punishing in the present is the problem...because you are just hurting people who have no connection to any of the problems. Take PSU: if all the PSU employees that took part in the cover up and of course the molestation crimes, then why punish the current players or coach for crimes and infractions done before they were even part of the school? But with vacating wins, etc, you go back in time and punish those who were responsible. Paterno had the FBS wins record. But because of his role in covering up a problem within his program, rather than turn Sandusky in to the police, the punishment was retroactive by removing all wins he achieved. The notion is that had he been caught then, he would have been fired by the state, and not on the field for those wins.
All that said, the casualties still exist: all the players who were on those teams lose their wins. So you might see stats like QB numbers, or RB stats...but none of those players from 1998-recent will have those wins under their belts that they won on the field.
There are no winners in any of the punishments. But to have no punishment would have been the bigger mistake.