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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:45 pm 
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I would argue that 16 is a great number for a mega-conference, provided the conference neatly and naturally divides into 2 8-team divisions or 4 4-team pods. That's what makes the Pac-16 model so logical. They could use either of these models and natural rivalries would remain preserved.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:25 am 
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It breaks down nicely geographically, but the minute you add 4 OK/TX schools,
it's clear that the divisions will be:

Old Pac 8 (CA, OR, WA schools)
Other (AZ, UT, CO, OK, TX schools)

Go to 4 pods and it wil be:

California 4
OR 2 + WA 2
AZ 2 + Utah + Colo.
TX 2 + OK 2

All of these schools do a ton of recruiting in California and that is being destroyed.
With 2 8's you have disconnected AU, ASU, Utha, and Colorado from the California schools.
If you go to 4 pods, you have disconnected the 2 Oregon and 2 Washington schools as well.

THEREFORE, you have quite a few "No" votes, enough to effectively block the addition of the "Texahoma 4".
I believe that is what happened in 2012.
Larry Scott had two problems to overcome - how to resolve the LHN situation, and getting the Pac 12 Presidents on board.
It may have been possible to turn the LHN into a regional PAC12 Network branch and redistribute some income from that (Texas might have agreed to a little of that).
But apparently at least 4 PAC12 member schools (Utah and Colorado had voting rights at that point) shot it down.
There is a fear that such a PAC16 would become overly California- and Texas-centric.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:34 pm 
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Absolutely, SEC03, As has been stated many times:

1. B1G does not want UConn
2. SEC does not want WVA
3. Missouri does not want to join the B1G any longer
4. 16 is not a good number for a conference.


Logical points. However, why not having a maximum number of schools for a conference to have? Like either 12 or 14.


OK, I'll add some comments here. I didn't want to sound too blunt about B10 expansion. These things often unfold over extended time and given results are not always as anticipated.

Agree, the B1G is not wanting UConn, at least not right now. As said, I concur the B1G prefers AAU affiliates. That certainly narrows options, and even among AAU membership in the ACC and the B12, nothing is fluid at this time, and even if it was, there would be limits as to whom was in play and to where interests lie.

If circumstances arose that the SEC expands again, going into the states of North Carolina and Virginia would be a priority. However, that territory is closed for now. ECU, ODU, ASU, are not developed or attractive enough to be considered. Only the ACC has plausible options.

WVU and the B12 had to know the geographical divide when they decided to bond. The B12 passed on any bridge work in that regard. While the ACC can be pointed at as the reason for WVU's isolation, that's too simple in assigning blame. It really goes back to the old BE in not making good proactive decisions in a timely manner. WVU, Pitt, Syracuse, BC, Miami, VPI, ND, etc. were all part of the decision-making that led to the staggered exodus. The ACC just exploited it the most.

The SEC often gets stereotyped about academics when one wants to press for certain negative comparisons. They are who they are---flagships and major land grants plus one major private school in the growing deeper south and a couple of border states. If the SEC somehow did take WVU, it would only embolden SEC detractors and snobbery. That's certainly a degree of unfairness to WVU to be cast in that way, because WVU has some distinguishable athletic accomplishments, shows enthusiastic fan support, and is a flagship school at the crossroads to multiple regions.

WVU hired E. Gordon Gee again as President. During his late tenure as President at Ohio State, he jokingly, but driven with attitude and frustration, implied the SEC was illiterate. He's probably not the guy to be approaching the SEC about near-term membership. He also referred to Louisville in a disparaging way. Louisville is now an ACC member of which WVU would dearly want to belong. Ohio State had quickly came to the conclusion words can lead to strained relationships. On the other hand, Gee was right-on about dealing with Notre Dame and other related factors; he just got careless in where and how he delivered disses.

14 vs 16? For the SEC, 14 took a lot of adaptation. I didn't hear Mizzou complaining, but LSU made a little fuss about the cross-division rivalry set-up. And a couple of others, such as Alabama, were seeking the 9-conference game format. Of course, posturing from somewhere gets involved whenever change is contemplated. 16 may be more appealing for basketball structuring and tournament equity/placements; but for football, it's more addition and time extension for everyone in the conference to get around to playing everyone else. As the number of conference fb games may be increased, there's still the question of incorporated non-conference rivalry games into schedules for certain schools. And to mess with changing divisions, every conference member is going to look at it from how it may impact their individual interests. A selling job is always involved.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 8:33 am 
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sec03 wrote:
As the number of conference fb games may be increased, there's still the question of incorporated non-conference rivalry games into schedules for certain schools. And to mess with changing divisions, every conference member is going to look at it from how it may impact their individual interests. A selling job is always involved.


That first sentence is very true. The Big Ten is probably the most collectivist conference of the P5, and that has had its effects on its expansion endeavors, as the conference (or at least, some within it) would be happy playing ONLY a conference schedule, and don't see the value of the non-conference games, rivalries or not. Any future Big Ten institution is going to have to either drink that Kool-Aid and cut its rivalries, or demand the conference to lighten up in its constrictive scheduling demands. But, of the latter, I think only a handful of entities could make that request: Texas, Notre Dame, and the PAC in its entirety if B1G-PAC is to ever happen.


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Oh Bucknuts, Ohio State's fb spouse, Shelly Meyer, is now tangling with Mike Bianchi of all people.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/201 ... elly-meyer


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:01 pm 
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Urban won with Ron Zook's recruits. It's a pattern whereby a school has a coach whose recruited very well, but fans are impatient and then he gets canned, then in comes Urban. UF was very generous and accommodating to Urban, but allowed what played out there to happen. It's another situation of allowing a coach free reign as long as wins are coming. The Myers' acting like victims of fan resentment, is absurd given the oodles of bucks carried away and the business they're in. Best to keep the mouth shut in this case unless it is to express regret.

Of course Louisville has given a coach another chance after leaving a program at another school in disarray though he took an interim stop.

Even Lane Kiffin has rebounded, becoming Saban's new offensive coordinator.


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