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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:00 pm 
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UConn's prez might respond in 10 seconds, but Mizou's wouldn't without getting "relieved of his duties" by the Board of Curators.

Mizzou is reasonably happy with their move to the SEC, and who is to say that in a few years, the SEC network may be delivering the same or better money than the BTN ?

Back in 2012, when the Big XII was crumbling and the Big Ten (at 11 teams) was advertising for one more (please, please Notre Dame !), Mizzou was begging for an invitation.
Delany (for whatever reason) must not care for Missouri. At this point, I don't think Missouri feels a need to embrace Delany.


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Maryland got financial incentives to head for the B1G. But the story of Maryland having growing discomfort within the ACC goes back decades. Reach back to a 1969 basketball games in Columbia between hosting South Carolina and Maryland. The game errupted into a brawl. Frank McGuire and Lefty Driesell were the coaches at the time. USC was a top ranked team and blamed Maryland for excessive elbowing not called by the officials. The game was stopped before normal conclusion with USC declared the winner. A return game in College Park had the court lined with security, a game Maryland won by a point with an immense slow-down strategy. No possession-timed shot rules then. USC lost the ACC tournament championship game to NCSU that season, resulting in no NCAA bid at the time for USC. Strains between USC and Maryland had lasted for years over the incident.
The ACC handled this situation terribly, which left much bitterness.
South Carolina soon left the ACC, with AD/Coach Paul Dietzel citing policies related to SAT scores for football eligibility. But dissatisfaction with the ACC was building a long time beforehand. Maryland dropped scheduling USC in everything after the Gamecocks left the ACC. All of the ACC dropped USC in bb except Clemson. Some ACC schools also dropped USC in fb.
It's ironic that the two ACC schools that left the ACC, though decades apart, were South Carolina and Maryland. No need to list all the issues why each of the two schools left the ACC at different times. Some reasons were similar, some differed, and changes in the ACC's makeup were considerable between the two departures. Still, both schools had known complaints about ACC governance and the favoritism that has long existed within.
The B1G successfully extracting Maryland may be a unique situation when it comes to the ACC. Other ACC schools that the B1G may have an eye on, such as UNC, UVA, or maybe Duke, comprise most of the traditional, political strength of the ACC core. These schools are very emotionally bound to the ACC, and would not be the next to jump to another P5 conference.
Comparatively, there's a central cluster of ACC schools that are way more committed to their conference as opposed to the general sentiments in the Big 12. The B12 may be more perceived as a conference of convenience given the current options. They are not even motivated to have a CCG by expansion.
As to Mizzou, it was revealed the B1G had told Mizzou prior, that if they entered the B1G, Mizzou would be subjected to a reduced financial distribution plan that would be increased in percentage levels each year for a defined period. That was one source of strain in earlier talks between Delany and Mizzou.
I just don't see P5 conferences horse-trading or swopping among themselves. They never did that before. What shall happen, there may be a school(s) in the B12 or the ACC that becomes so dissatisfied with their current situation, they become receptive to overtures from another P5 conference, who happens to want to expand, and presents financial incentives too hard to ignore. But there's got to be a strategic moment to do this---a breakdown in the GoR or a school willing to legally test it. Perhaps a host conference is willing to vote for an exclusion or allow a reduced buy-out for one particular school. Could this scenario ever happen with WVU? How would that can of worms be opened?
A school such as Kansas could be more prone to leave their host conference compared to one such as UNC.
This idea of 4 power conferences @ 16 each looks like a neat order on paper. But, it can't include everyone currently in the P5 system and there's no clean-cut way to specify the 64 best. As fine of schools TCU, Baylor, or ISU may be, what other P5 conferences really want them? Does Wake Forest retain a spot while BYU or UConn can't make it?
There's another concern about placing schools in distant geography whereby there's little tradition and awkward commonality. Expansion really needs to be about fixing these sorts of things, rather than adding to disjointed associations.


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There is more to the B10 than just athletics,thats why Univ of Chicago and Johns Hopkins are in the B10.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 7:27 pm 
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JHU is there for lacrosse.
UC once played fb and other sports in B10. Carry over.


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There is more to the B10 than just athletics,thats why Univ of Chicago and Johns Hopkins are in the B10.


+ Ohio State football Nati in 2015
+ Missouri .... whenever they want them
+ Notre Dame .... if the ACC dies
+ Ohio State football Nati in 2016!!!


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 11:55 am 
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There is more to the B10 than just athletics,thats why Univ of Chicago and Johns Hopkins are in the B10.


+ Ohio State football Nati in 2015
+ Missouri .... whenever they want them
+ Notre Dame .... if the ACC dies
+ Ohio State football Nati in 2016!!!


+ Congratulations to OSU!
+ Not happening
+ Not happening
+ Maybe, as long as they don't play Clemson or TCU in the post-season


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tOSU winning this season's playoffs speaks to the school's great success. The conference had a very good year in fb. That does not translate into a flurry of expansion or the fall of another conference.
2016? Ask Nick Saban or Jimbo Fisher now about that expectations game.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 4:10 pm 
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Lash's final major college football conference rankings of 2014/15 season.

1 Big Ten - We almost forgot the Big Ten was a power league! Nice comeback and recovery Big Ten and congrats on first playoff football championship title for fellow league members.

2 Pac 12 - Home town league could have been ranked much lower if the league did not win a semi final games. Going 1 and 1 in the playoff has got to be some reassurance the league is pretty good.

3. Big 12 - The we never got a chance to prove ourselves league could have been lower if perianal major bowl loser Baylor would have got one of the four team playoff spots.

4. SEC - The no we can not go back to the old BCS and have teams selected for championship game based on perception. The SEC is falling fast from years of it is us and then everybody else beleif.

5. ACC - This conference probably should have been ranked lower than the MWC. Having a one trick pony that does not perform well in the playoffs does not help a league already low football ratings.

6. MWC - Boise win over Pac 12 representative in the Fiesta Bowl did wonders for the MWC and could have and should have flipped the MWC over no 5 ACC.

7. AAC/Conf USA - Tie for the AAC and Conf USA as both leagues had some fairly good teams play football.

9. SunBelt/ Mid American - Tie for last place as both leagues were not very good especially in post season play.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 7:27 pm 
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AP final top 25 / conference rep 2015 Jan
Pac12 6
SEC 6
ACC 4
BIG 3
B12 3
MWC 1
AAC 1
CUSA 1


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There is more to the B10 than just athletics,thats why Univ of Chicago and Johns Hopkins are in the B10.


Technically, Chicago played its first football game before it even held its first class. Football built that school, then the school dumped football.

JHU is a tough one to crack. Just how badly did the Big Ten need them? They broke so much of their exterior by allowing this affiliate, and it's one that doesn't want the B1G's money or still isn't interested in the CIC. Was JHU yet another concession to get Maryland on board with joining the conference? Does the Big Ten actually need a name like Johns Hopkins to be loosely affiliated with it to help enrollment at these supposed big, public ivies? Or that all this money the Big Ten schools supposedly swim in doesn't amount to jack, because it still can't compel just one school to field lacrosse at the D1 level and match it with something else for Title IX purposes?

Dumpster-diving for Rutgers and giving the farm away for Maryland makes me think the B1G is really more financially burdened then it lets on being. They may print money over there, but they don't sound very efficient or robust. And the rub isn't good enough to extract some of the bigger academic gems they sought, like UVA and UNC. Is something more in play?


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2015 5:32 pm 
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I don't read too much into the Big Ten adding Johns Hopkins for one sport. They needed one more member to sponsor the sport and no one was ready or willing so they grabbed an academic peer with an excellent lacrosse program that happened to be on the east coast near the newbies. Hopkins is there to raise the profile of the league until some of the traditional schools can get rolling. Michigan for instance just started awarding scholarships. I'd expect the Big Ten to pressure some schools into adding lacrosse. Northwestern would fit the mold--private school, large affluent urban center--seems like a natural fit.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 2:39 pm 
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I don't read too much into the Big Ten adding Johns Hopkins for one sport. They needed one more member to sponsor the sport and no one was ready or willing so they grabbed an academic peer with an excellent lacrosse program that happened to be on the east coast near the newbies. Hopkins is there to raise the profile of the league until some of the traditional schools can get rolling. Michigan for instance just started awarding scholarships. I'd expect the Big Ten to pressure some schools into adding lacrosse. Northwestern would fit the mold--private school, large affluent urban center--seems like a natural fit.


For the talk about how much money the Big Ten and its members earn, it troubles me when only Michigan can really spot the funds to sponsor a new program. When other programs say these things aren't viable, or they demand boosters to come up with the start-up and some of the early budget coverings, is Big Ten revenue overstated? Or are Big Ten schools really inefficient with their management?

Johns Hopkins, to some extent, could be anyone. The issue, to me, was the need for an affiliate at that moment and not having a program even close to being ready for an upgrade conversation. It showed a sense of panic and urgency on the part of the Big Ten to get lacrosse out there for its network, and had to essentially borrow a ringer to put it over. To need to centralize the lacrosse and ice hockey programs under the conference banner so urgently...why was it so important to form a lacrosse conference now without the minimum number of full members sponsoring the sport? A lack of faith a program would ever upgrade? A lack of faith in lacrosse moving the needle in media deal negotiations (a future bargaining chip)?

I mean, JHU has certainly made itself somewhat awkward to the group, publicly saying it did seek other conferences (you just know these guys wanted to be in the ACC), and still won't indulge the CIC invite. Adding a school who really couldn't care either way about this conference that takes itself way too seriously...it pokes holes in that inflated image the conference has of itself.

The money and the CIC...when all you can get from that are Rutgers, a Maryland you have to basically fully subsidize, and a slightly ungrateful Hopkins, who probably thinks the CIC is a joke...maybe the Big Ten isn't all what we project it being?


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Well, today the NCAA knuckled under to the fact that their capricious, arbitrary, inconsistent,
and over-reaching consent decree with Penn State was going to be over-turned in Federal Court in the next few weeks.

Penn State and the State of Pennsylvania had sued that the consent decree was signed by an interim college president under duress.

The $60 million (how did the NCAA arrive at that number) funding of programs to prevent sexual abuse and help victims will now be
administered through PA state agencies for the benefit of such people in PA only.

Essentially all the other disciplinary actions will lapse immediately.

Joe Paterno will have his wins restored.

NCAA pres. mark Emmert should be given the heave-ho with egg all over his face.
No argument that this Jerry Sandusky incident was incredibly ugly. However, it was a CRIMINAL matter, and needed to be adressed by the PA state criminal court system.
The NCAA completely over-stepped, tried to make this an "athletics issue" and dictate their own goofy justice.
Then the holier-than-thou Big Ten jumped on the pile.
including destroying Joe Paterno's reputation WITHOUT ANY DUE PROCESS (like perhaps giving the accused an opportunity to defend himself).

The NCAA enforcement group IS needed to prevent cheating by athletic departments (including acts of fraud to maintain eleigibility of athletes).
NORTH CAROLINA, anyone ????

Oliver Luck seems to be the new heir-apparent in the NCAA.
Perhaps he will "cut his teeth" trying to bring some professionalism and consistency to this rules enforcement group,
and if he performs respectably will get promoted to Emmmert's job.... (just speculation).










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Mesa Lejos wrote:
AP final top 25 / conference rep 2015 Jan
Pac12 6 50%
SEC 6 42%
B12 3 30%
ACC 4 28%
BIG 3 21%
MWC 1 8%
AAC 1 8%
CUSA 1 7%

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Mesa Lejos wrote:
AP final top 25 / conference rep 2015 Jan
Pac12 6 50%
SEC 6 42%
B12 3 30%
ACC 4 28%
BIG 3 21%
MWC 1 8%
AAC 1 8%
CUSA 1 7%

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