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Article out of Raleigh(previously posted in another thread)comparing ACC revenue to other conferences at http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/coll ... 06052.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The situation for the ACC revenue is much worse than trying to spin the dollars with how much the league generates in revenue. The bottom line is how much each school gets in revenue is the true measuring stick of the success of a power league.

I understand why the ACC over expanded with taking Pitt and Syracuse when the Pac 16 was concerned the SEC was coming after Florida State and Clemson.

The ACC would look at lot better if say the league remained with 12 schools and say finally replace Maryland with Syracuse for 12 schools. If you hade those type of revenue with 12 schools, then the ACC would be in much stronger position and not at the bottom of the power five group.

This type of issue is most likely why the Big 12 is very cautious on expansion just for the sake of expansion and will most likely stop with 12 schools to maximize revenue.

The Big 12 is making 30 million dollars per schools with ten schools compared to this projections of the ACC with a CCG and one time revenue from Maryland exit.

Factor in the ACC has a leach in the name of Notre Dame that was also required to ensure the Orange Bowl remained an access bowl.

At the end of the day, the ACC is at the bottom of the power group of five schools and the situation does not appear to have options to improve over the next decade.
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Things sure seem different from a distance or from the region of a different conference, ....or what does region have to do with a conference when you're talkin' 'bout the Big 12?
Well, if you read the comments coming out of KS, IA, or even OK and especially TX, it's the Big 12 at the bottom of the P5 w/no option to improve.

Maybe I should give more credit the Big 12 Powers That Be, but I didn't think reluctance to expand was a matter of caution but rather one of hesitance and getting left behind. We would love to have Syracuse and Pitt, let alone Louisville who wanted to join in '11 when the Big 12 was happy to have survived 4 departures and get back to 10 (the target # per a TV contract that saved the conference the year before). I think the Cards feel it was blessing in disguise, and that they are better off than WVa with shorter travel distances to larger media markets.

There are schools available in the same region as WVa. In fact, I just looked at this thread to see if there was any interest in Temple as a "bridge" between VA and the 3 northern members of the ACC (before the Big 12 notices the rebuilt football program to go along w/a solid athletic and academic history in the largest market outside of the P5)! I'm not sure if WVa wants them, Cincy, or UConn cutting into their recruiting in OH, PA or the Northeast.
While those schools may be too close for comfort, more fertile expansion in the west is being hampered because the schools are too far, especially from WVa. The delay here may also be indecision, or lack of interest, on the part of BYU. The Big 12 needs to move on like (a) Bronco, and proactively seek programs in the region who are currently on the same level and would be stronger in the P5.

Back to the ACC.: I don't know what Maryland was thinking but it wasn't about Nebraska as opposed to Miami, when they played right into the BIG hands. That conference has done more of the filed in the off-season, to compensate for what they couldn't do on the filed in seasons before and during this decade of realignment madness.

This comment was not meant to imply the Big 12 is making better decisions compared to ACC with expansion. The fact does remain that the Big 12 is making 30 million dollars a year per school not counting tier 3 revenue compared to this article that suggest the ACC is in third place making more money per schools which is just not true. Maybe it an attempt for the ACC to spin the situation to calm fears of the top ACC schools the league is falling further behind the SEC and Big Ten.

Regardless the ACC with over expansion and the Big 12 with under expansion have both done harm to their respective leagues with decisions on expansion and the lack of pushing for a conference network when that trend was popular and networks were willing to pour investment funding into these type of ventures are more indications of bad decisions by both of those leagues.

The Big Ten expanded with Maryland and Rutgers after the BTN was up a running successful whereas the ACC expanded with Pitt and Syracuse due to other issues that were occurring at the time with realignment. The Big Ten had the investment projections to support 14 schools whereas the ACC were in survival mode and wanting to kill its closest rival the old Big East before the Big East could do the same damage.

The point I was trying to make is once you have schools added to your league, you better have the revenue potential to feed to the extra mouths.

The Big 12 is a better position compared to the ACC to try and make up some ground in the every revenue chasing power group of five leagues because they just have not expanded. Maybe it was luck on the Big 12 part or just pure survival for a league that lost four schools in the major 2010 realignment process to remain with just 10 schools.

The ACC can not extract schools where the Big 12 can or will be adding a CCG and potentially two new schools the consultancy firm suggested to improve the standing of the perception of the league.

The final point of this post is you can not discuss one of the five power leagues without comparing all five because they are all in the same boat and all five must keep the revenue gap within binocular views(Big 12 comments) of the revenue of the top leagues if they want to survive the next major alignment process that will begin with GOR expire in the next decade.

I am not sure either of the ACC or Big 12 can do anything to catch the Big Ten or SEC in revenue. The Big 12 does have more options on the table to improve that gap. The ACC has long shown their cards and Maryland is proof the school made the correct decision by jumping the Big Ten when the opportunity presented itself.

Time will tell if the Big 12 can make decisions either through expansion or other means to keep in reach of the top power leagues.

I better understand now your well made points and hope they are an indication of a bright future for the Big XII as a power conference. I see the ACC as a good model with universities that have prestigious academics, competitive athletics in large media markets and fertile recruiting areas, mostly in warm weather climates. In order for the Big XII to be comparable , they would have to expand on a large scale, probably coast to coast, and probably beyond 16 teams. I may like such a multi-regional arrangement in quads/pods if all the above mentioned bases are covered, but there is little/no chance that the current members could agree on one step to take in any direction.


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I better understand now your well made points and hope they are an indication of a bright future for the Big XII as a power conference. I see the ACC as a good model with universities that have prestigious academics, competitive athletics in large media markets and fertile recruiting areas, mostly in warm weather climates. In order for the Big XII to be comparable , they would have to expand on a large scale, probably coast to coast, and probably beyond 16 teams. I may like such a multi-regional arrangement in quads/pods if all the above mentioned bases are covered, but there is little/no chance that the current members could agree on one step to take in any direction.


The Big 12 to 16 teams, coast to coast???
Seriously, what ever you are smoking....share it with the rest of us. Because, that isn't ever going to happen.
I really have a hard time taking some of these suggestions seriously. They are so poorly thought out.

And not every ACC schools has competitive athletics especially fb.

Also, being in the top five of all the fb conferences in the Nation...isn't a bad place to be...even if you are in fifth. So, who ever is in fifth should be proud...not totally bummed out and pissed off. Winning on the field is much more important than being in the top money making conference and coming in last place. ie: first place in the fifth conference is better than last place in the top $$ conference. Some folks seem to be analyzing things so closely that they have forgotten why they even play the games.
Seriously, these schools make 100's of millions of dollars....five million difference between what each school makes from their conference just isn't that big a deal. Schools can make that difference up in many ways....ie. new boosters, new sponsors, selling naming rights or many other ways.

The P5 conferences should be very happy making the kind of money they are.....because that money tree may not last forever. Especially, when we see the money drying up for the G5 conferences.

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I better understand now your well made points and hope they are an indication of a bright future for the Big XII as a power conference. I see the ACC as a good model with universities that have prestigious academics, competitive athletics in large media markets and fertile recruiting areas, mostly in warm weather climates. In order for the Big XII to be comparable , they would have to expand on a large scale, probably coast to coast, and probably beyond 16 teams. I may like such a multi-regional arrangement in quads/pods if all the above mentioned bases are covered, but there is little/no chance that the current members could agree on one step to take in any direction.


The Big 12 to 16 teams, coast to coast???
Seriously, what ever you are smoking....share it with the rest of us. Because, that isn't ever going to happen.
I really have a hard time taking some of these suggestions seriously. They are so poorly thought out.

And not every ACC schools has competitive athletics especially fb.

Also, being in the top five of all the fb conferences in the Nation...isn't a bad place to be...even if you are in fifth. So, who ever is in fifth should be proud...not totally bummed out and pissed off. Winning on the field is much more important than being in the top money making conference and coming in last place. ie: first place in the fifth conference is better than last place in the top $$ conference. Some folks seem to be analyzing things so closely that they have forgotten why they even play the games.
Seriously, these schools make 100's of millions of dollars....five million difference between what each school makes from their conference just isn't that big a deal. Schools can make that difference up in many ways....ie. new boosters, new sponsors, selling naming rights or many other ways.

The P5 conferences should be very happy making the kind of money they are.....because that money tree may not last forever. Especially, when we see the money drying up for the G5 conferences.
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Again, I hope the best for the Big XII but I don't smoke nor do I think that the Big XII is going to expand beyond 10 teams let alone 16 (as I stated above) but that is what they would have to do to be comparable to the ACC in terms of academics, athletics, and large markets for recruiting (especially warm weather) and viewing.


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I better understand now your well made points and hope they are an indication of a bright future for the Big XII as a power conference. I see the ACC as a good model with universities that have prestigious academics, competitive athletics in large media markets and fertile recruiting areas, mostly in warm weather climates. In order for the Big XII to be comparable , they would have to expand on a large scale, probably coast to coast, and probably beyond 16 teams. I may like such a multi-regional arrangement in quads/pods if all the above mentioned bases are covered, but there is little/no chance that the current members could agree on one step to take in any direction.


The Big 12 to 16 teams, coast to coast???
Seriously, what ever you are smoking....share it with the rest of us. Because, that isn't ever going to happen.
I really have a hard time taking some of these suggestions seriously. They are so poorly thought out.

And not every ACC schools has competitive athletics especially fb.

Also, being in the top five of all the fb conferences in the Nation...isn't a bad place to be...even if you are in fifth. So, who ever is in fifth should be proud...not totally bummed out and pissed off. Winning on the field is much more important than being in the top money making conference and coming in last place. ie: first place in the fifth conference is better than last place in the top $$ conference. Some folks seem to be analyzing things so closely that they have forgotten why they even play the games.
Seriously, these schools make 100's of millions of dollars....five million difference between what each school makes from their conference just isn't that big a deal. Schools can make that difference up in many ways....ie. new boosters, new sponsors, selling naming rights or many other ways.

The P5 conferences should be very happy making the kind of money they are.....because that money tree may not last forever. Especially, when we see the money drying up for the G5 conferences.
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Again, I hope the best for the Big XII but I don't smoke nor do I think that the Big XII is going to expand beyond 10 teams let alone 16 (as I stated above) but that is what they would have to do to be comparable to the ACC in terms of academics, athletics, and large markets for recruiting (especially warm weather) and viewing.


About the only way the Big 12 could even sniff the academics of the ACC(as it stands now) or even the B1G....would be to add Rice, Tulane, ....and let's see....who else....Buffalo, Stony Brook?? The ACC has way too many AAU schools...I'm not certain that there are enough AAU schools left to even get the B12 close to the ACC. So, I really don't think it is possible to try and match academics to them or the B1G.

The athletics list is pretty short as well. We all know that BYU is probably the best athletic school on the board. Then, they are followed by a bunch of schools that only have a few decent seasons under their belt within the last 20 years. And, to be honest....I don't feel confident enough about any of the available schools to even make a list of them.
There are some great 'one sport wonders'....like Rice in baseball, Memphis in bb, UConn in bb, ...and having trouble thinking of any of the others.
Schools like Boise, UCF, USF, Temple.....I personally feel they don't really have the background of high level competitiveness to be considered.
Navy and Cincy are two interesting cases. Navy has that great American pride thing going for them...and they have been quite exciting to watch in the last 5 years or so. Cincy, does quite a few things well...but, is no world beater in any 1 category.
Air Force has said numerous times that they don't want to compete at the P5 level....I don't know if their attitude has changed any in the last few years???
UofH sat on their hands and cried for 15-17 years after the SWC broke up. And pestered many of the Big 12 schools in the press because they were upset they didn't get an offer. And only recently made any improvements to their facilities and attitude.
Which is why I don't feel 16 is even possible.

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I better understand now your well made points and hope they are an indication of a bright future for the Big XII as a power conference. I see the ACC as a good model with universities that have prestigious academics, competitive athletics in large media markets and fertile recruiting areas, mostly in warm weather climates. In order for the Big XII to be comparable , they would have to expand on a large scale, probably coast to coast, and probably beyond 16 teams. I may like such a multi-regional arrangement in quads/pods if all the above mentioned bases are covered, but there is little/no chance that the current members could agree on one step to take in any direction.


The Big 12 to 16 teams, coast to coast???
Seriously, what ever you are smoking....share it with the rest of us. Because, that isn't ever going to happen.
I really have a hard time taking some of these suggestions seriously. They are so poorly thought out.

And not every ACC schools has competitive athletics especially fb.

Also, being in the top five of all the fb conferences in the Nation...isn't a bad place to be...even if you are in fifth. So, who ever is in fifth should be proud...not totally bummed out and pissed off. Winning on the field is much more important than being in the top money making conference and coming in last place. ie: first place in the fifth conference is better than last place in the top $$ conference. Some folks seem to be analyzing things so closely that they have forgotten why they even play the games.
Seriously, these schools make 100's of millions of dollars....five million difference between what each school makes from their conference just isn't that big a deal. Schools can make that difference up in many ways....ie. new boosters, new sponsors, selling naming rights or many other ways.

The P5 conferences should be very happy making the kind of money they are.....because that money tree may not last forever. Especially, when we see the money drying up for the G5 conferences.
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Again, I hope the best for the Big XII but I don't smoke nor do I think that the Big XII is going to expand beyond 10 teams let alone 16 (as I stated above) but that is what they would have to do to be comparable to the ACC in terms of academics, athletics, and large markets for recruiting (especially warm weather) and viewing.


About the only way the Big 12 could even sniff the academics of the ACC(as it stands now) or even the B1G....would be to add Rice, Tulane, ....and let's see....who else....Buffalo, Stony Brook?? The ACC has way too many AAU schools...I'm not certain that there are enough AAU schools left to even get the B12 close to the ACC. So, I really don't think it is possible to try and match academics to them or the B1G.

The athletics list is pretty short as well. We all know that BYU is probably the best athletic school on the board. Then, they are followed by a bunch of schools that only have a few decent seasons under their belt within the last 20 years. And, to be honest....I don't feel confident enough about any of the available schools to even make a list of them.
There are some great 'one sport wonders'....like Rice in baseball, Memphis in bb, UConn in bb, ...and having trouble thinking of any of the others.
Schools like Boise, UCF, USF, Temple.....I personally feel they don't really have the background of high level competitiveness to be considered.
Navy and Cincy are two interesting cases. Navy has that great American pride thing going for them...and they have been quite exciting to watch in the last 5 years or so. Cincy, does quite a few things well...but, is no world beater in any 1 category.
Air Force has said numerous times that they don't want to compete at the P5 level....I don't know if their attitude has changed any in the last few years???
UofH sat on their hands and cried for 15-17 years after the SWC broke up. And pestered many of the Big 12 schools in the press because they were upset they didn't get an offer. And only recently made any improvements to their facilities and attitude.
Which is why I don't feel 16 is even possible.


Good points re: Tulane and Rice. Tulane would give the Big 12 a Vandy/Northwestern institution in a new market for media and recruiting, but, as you point out, lack the athletic program success or facilities. From what I recall, they were getting strong consideration before TCU stepped up in 2011. Rice's football has been respectable but they're in Texas, just like Houston. BTW, those were interesting points re: UH although I think they have a lot to be proud of the last few years in football. That game w/OU is going to be huge. Before I read your comment on AF I'd been thinking the Big 12 would play it safe w/them & Navy (no recruiting conflict w/West VA, BYU etc. like Cincy, Temple or even UConn might).


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Blog article out of Newport News discussing possible topics for the ACC FB Kickoff meetings later this month at http://www.dailypress.com/sports/teel-b ... -post.html


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The ACC had been exploring a unique and different way to scheduling in football. The NCAA/P5 insisting on divisions to determine conference championship game participants, certainly narrowed the flexibility.

Using the expectation of having 9 P5 opponents in fb per season, a thought is to be accepting of "permanent" out-of-conference rivalries as counting in some manner toward conference standings. This would include those schools in the ACC with in-state SEC rivals: GT-UGA, Clemson-USC, FSU-UF, and L'ville-KY.

An approach to include Notre Dame in the process, would have Notre Dame increase their ACC fb scheduling from 5 to 7, and counting 'permanent' rivalry games with Navy and Southern California, as part of the required nine. P5 OOC games beyond that would not be incorporated in the standings methodology.

To meet the 9 requirement, some ACC teams could simply schedule an additional ACC permanent rival. UNC and Wake Forest have scheduled each other, for example, as technically an OOC game as it relates to standings in the year involved (2017?).

I actually like the concept. It takes some pressure 'off' the ACC schools, and vice versa, pertaining to permanent ACC-SEC match-ups. It could be adapted for new situations, such as Pitt-WVU.

Let the ACC develop their own mechanism and create more improved match-ups. It also gives more recognition and promotion to OOC permanent rivalries. Inclusion and acceptance by Notre Dame would be important. The SEC, B1G, and others need not contest such. They could do this within a 'loose/flex' two division system if necessary. However, for numerical balance, the ACC could consider a 16th member if ND is included, and the idea is to have divisions more concrete. It such happened to be Navy, that could free another OOC game for ND. Or, the ACC could re-petition the NCAA to allow for three pods. Or, do it with no divisions or pods involved, just have operative guidelines with set criteria.

Below is an interesting Atlantic Coast Confidential blog discussing such an option in a specific way:


https://atlanticcoastconfidential.com/c ... alignment/"


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The ACC had been exploring a unique and different way to scheduling in football. The NCAA/P5 insisting on divisions to determine conference championship game participants, certainly narrowed the flexibility.

Using the expectation of having 9 P5 opponents in fb per season, a thought is to be accepting of "permanent" out-of-conference rivalries as counting in some manner toward conference standings. This would include those schools in the ACC with in-state SEC rivals: GT-UGA, Clemson-USC, FSU-UF, and L'ville-KY.

An approach to include Notre Dame in the process, would have Notre Dame increase their ACC fb scheduling from 5 to 7, and counting 'permanent' rivalry games with Navy and Southern California, as part of the required nine. P5 OOC games beyond that would not be incorporated in the standings methodology.

To meet the 9 requirement, some ACC teams could simply schedule an additional ACC permanent rival. UNC and Wake Forest have scheduled each other, for example, as technically an OOC game as it relates to standings in the year involved (2017?).

I actually like the concept. It takes some pressure 'off' the ACC schools, and vice versa, pertaining to permanent ACC-SEC match-ups. It could be adapted for new situations, such as Pitt-WVU.

Let the ACC develop their own mechanism and create more improved match-ups. It also gives more recognition and promotion to OOC permanent rivalries. Inclusion and acceptance by Notre Dame would be important. The SEC, B1G, and others need not contest such. They could do this within a 'loose/flex' two division system if necessary. However, for numerical balance, the ACC could consider a 16th member if ND is included, and the idea is to have divisions more concrete. It such happened to be Navy, that could free another OOC game for ND. Or, the ACC could re-petition the NCAA to allow for three pods. Or, do it with no divisions or pods involved, just have operative guidelines with set criteria.

Below is an interesting Atlantic Coast Confidential blog discussing such an option in a specific way:


https://atlanticcoastconfidential.com/c ... alignment/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;"

This option would obviously require a NCAA vote or autonomy vote to change the rule of how championship games require each division to play each other. The Big Ten would fight this to the end.

With the arrogance of the Big Ten, the Big 12 and Pac 12 should help the ACC and override the Big Ten and allow the rule change to conduct a championship anyway you prefer.

All it takes is for three of the power leagues to vote yes which is six votes and the group of five leagues which has five votes to agree and the Big Ten is overridden.

I believe the SEC voted no the last go around and the Pac 12 sustained on voting.

Regardless until we finally get a commissioner running major college conference and not these arrogant folks like Delany that will ruin the sport by chasing the almighty dollar, the other leagues need to stand together.

The Big Ten has been the biggest hypocrite of major college sports. First the Big Ten did not want to mess up the Rose Bowl importance until the SEC and Big 12 created the champion bowl that reverted back to the Sugar Bowl. Then the Big Ten did not want a playoff until the league decided they will go it lone and guess what the big bad Big Ten could not wait to jump in a control the situation. Latter the Big Ten threatened to kick out any school that paid players and yet will use the autonomy votes to help players with cost.

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It looks like the ACC has a TV network:
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story ... cc-network

They signed a 20 year deal or so with ESPN. It's going to start by 2019.

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It looks like the ACC has a TV network:
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story ... cc-network" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

They signed a 20 year deal or so with ESPN. It's going to start by 2019.


The ACC will still be syndicated by Raycom Sports, as that deal runs through 2023. Plus they might still have deals with regional sports networks like Comcast Sports Network. With the new cable network and the ESPN deal, the ACC will be all over TV! The entire ACC Lacrosse season on cable? It could happen!


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It looks like the ACC has a TV network:
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story ... cc-network"

They signed a 20 year deal or so with ESPN. It's going to start by 2019.


46566 - good you shared.

The article below this one (scrolling down) has the Houston AD meeting with the PAC 12 Commissioner.


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It looks like the ACC has a TV network:
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story ... cc-network"

They signed a 20 year deal or so with ESPN. It's going to start by 2019.


The ACC will still be syndicated by Raycom Sports, as that deal runs through 2023. Plus they might still have deals with regional sports networks like Comcast Sports Network. With the new cable network and the ESPN deal, the ACC will be all over TV! The entire ACC Lacrosse season on cable? It could happen!


It certainly is a jump in TV exposure. It will be interested in hearing the projected figures. Swofford is delivering on a prior promise.
That security and new revenue, along with the GoR, may hold the ACC intact for years to come. Notre Dame makes out well with essentially extending their deal and a slice of ACC revenue advancements.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/co ... story.html


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46566 wrote:
It looks like the ACC has a TV network:
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story ... cc-network" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;"

They signed a 20 year deal or so with ESPN. It's going to start by 2019.


46566 - good you shared.

The article below this one (scrolling down) has the Houston AD meeting with the PAC 12 Commissioner.

yea, with the big 12 now publicly stating it's looking at expansion we may have another round of conference expansion. The ACC has pretty much locked the conference up for years.

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46566 wrote:
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It looks like the ACC has a TV network:
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story ... cc-network" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;"

They signed a 20 year deal or so with ESPN. It's going to start by 2019.


46566 - good you shared.

The article below this one (scrolling down) has the Houston AD meeting with the PAC 12 Commissioner.

yea, with the big 12 now publicly stating it's looking at expansion we may have another round of conference expansion. The ACC has pretty much locked the conference up for years.


I only really see the XII expanding with the PAC considering expansion. Houston would be a solid get for the PAC with the right companion. I'm not sure the PAC sees one out there at the moment. As a fan, I would love to see Boise St in there but I think its the XII or bust for them.


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BePcr07 wrote:
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louisvillecard01 wrote:
46566 wrote:
It looks like the ACC has a TV network:
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story ... cc-network" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;"

They signed a 20 year deal or so with ESPN. It's going to start by 2019.


46566 - good you shared.

The article below this one (scrolling down) has the Houston AD meeting with the PAC 12 Commissioner.

yea, with the big 12 now publicly stating it's looking at expansion we may have another round of conference expansion. The ACC has pretty much locked the conference up for years.


I only really see the XII expanding with the PAC considering expansion. Houston would be a solid get for the PAC with the right companion. I'm not sure the PAC sees one out there at the moment. As a fan, I would love to see Boise St in there but I think its the XII or bust for them.


I think Boise might actually be a good idea.(not counting academics) It keeps a even North South balance without having to break up either the LA schools or have the northern schools go to Utah or Colorado for football. Though Idaho doesn't add much to the TV markets. Would they take a risk on UTSA for long term profit? Move Utah to the Pac 12 north and the south would get 1 game in la and one game in either Houston or San Antonio.

Should the Big 12 expand to 14 they may seek to grab USF and UCF as the 3 and 4 picks. To try and recruit against the ACC and SEC in Florida. #11 is almost guaranteed to be cincy. #12 would be ucon or byu.

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