I think it's safe to say if the MWC expanded and the BEB12 lived on w/ 12 plucking ECU, UCF, Houston and bother were AQ. There would never be a SBC, CUSA, WAC, MAC school that could finish in the top 12. Basically the CUSA would clean out the SBC to fill the loss of 7 schools.

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My latest guess of the next round

Pac 16-UT, TT, OU, OSU
SEC 14-A&M, WVU
ACC 16-Rutgers, UConn
B1G 14-Notre Dame, Missouri (or ND doesn't come and stays in the BE, Mizzou stays in the BEB12)
BEB12 12-KU, KSU, ISU, Baylor, UL, UC, USF, TCU, UCF, Houston, ECU, Memphis


I wonder if the B1G could still land BC or Maryland to get ND to bite.
I also wonder if FSU would still got to the SEC even w/ the big buyout.

I think the BEB12 has shifted east so BYU is out, plus they were iffy to begin with.

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The Sunday or Mon article I'll be adding to the site will likely be about being proactive: said it hundreds of times before here...that the only way the ACC survives as a quality conference is to strike first. Because the path WAS set for the aCC to lose a school here, possible a school there. Maybe nothing huge, but losing even 1 or 2 schools woudl eventually put them in a position where they are the BCS conference having to pick up scraps (if B12 folded too).

And the ACC appears to have come to it's senses and finally realized the same.

While Texas and ND for all-sports is a homerun, the fallback is appealing too: adding Uconn, Syracuse, Rutgers and Pitt will redefine the ACC. The ACC WILL be THE conference on the east coast. Sure, the SEC will have it's football titles and the ACC more of a hoops brand. But at all the top schools, markets, and college football fans on the east coast...from the suburbs of Boston and New England, through CT, NY, NJ, MD, VA, NC...it will be 100% ACC football. In PA, the brand will be up there with the Big ten now. In Florida, SC and GA, it will continue to be strong...likely stronger, as in those local markets, there will be a newer, more prideful connection with the national landscape...as well as new potential rivalries with the northern schools where pride will still come into play.

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You gonna pony up the $20 million exit fee for an ACC school like Clemson to leave? That's a lot of milk money.

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With theACC 14 now official, the wait will be to see what happens next.

Assuming Texas/ND are out of the picture, there is still a good chance Rutgers and Uconn are added for a pure 8/8 football division split by region.

For now, the likely split will be: BC, SU, Pitt, MD, UVA, VATech, Miami together...putting 5 former Big East schools together with UVa and MD.


Not sure if the new ACC has the cache to push Texas to Pac16, but it could help.

If ACC is at 14-16, SEC to 14, Pac12 to 14 with OU/OSU, it leaves the potential Big 12 rebuilding options limited.

Big 12 absorbing any Big East schools still clearly leaves Big 12 at #5 of 5 BCS conferences.

Key actually might be Rutgers and Uconn.

Why? Because if Big 12 7 add UL, WVU, Rutgers, Uconn and a 12th like TCU...it's pretty strong...still #5, but can challenge for #4 spot. Lose those CT/NY/NJ markets to ACC16 with Rutgers/Uconn and the Big 12 is looking ugly: Texas/TTech/KU/KSU/ISU/Mizz/UL/Cincy/TCU/WVU (either WVU or Mizz could be SEC #14)

Meanwhile, even revamped LHN in Pac16 would likely produce more revenue for Texas. And Big East demise would take away last possible non-football home of value for Texas as football indy.

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Congratulations, Quinn, on predicting proactive ACC. I never would have believed that they would be first - or that anything like this could happen so fast.
There has been little speculation about adding WV, probably because the 'Neers hold out hope of gaining SEC admittance (although I suspect #14 will be Missouri).

We all knew the logic. But kudos to the ACC for actually having the balls to utilize logic rather than the common instinct to remain passive. It shows the difference between ACC and Big East leadership. It was comical when the Big East opted to "save" itself in 2003 with 5 schools added and only 3 with football...as if Depaul and Marquette were anything special. Lowly FBS newcomer USF had more value just since they had football (as would any football CUSA member then). But the fun hybrid joke just got sad fast when the split never happened. Remember, the split almost happened in 2003 to protect the football schools. But some 7 years later, the hybrid still existed. The 8 and 8 that were supposed to transition to new home conferences instead stayed tied together. The world changed and the Big East kept drinking their Moxie or Sasparilla sodas, listening to big Band records on the Vitrola, and thinking about good old days. And the world changed again.

Now the ACC hass stability. They won't be ever losing a school as long as the finaincials exist the way they do. $20 million is a large number. MEanwhile, the Big east will have to look to CUSA to survive. But as we know, it makes more sense to take advantage of the Big 12 offering: if the Big 12 invites 3-4 BE schools, they will leave. If Texas leaves with TTech to Pac16, then you have 7/7...and ALL the Big East schools can move to the Big 12. But I don't see the Big East having the cache to bring in 5 Big 12 schools. Because those 5 at the bottom are worth more than the 7 Big East schools.

Translation: it's time to cut and run for the Big East football schools.

they could have split in the 90's and gotten schools like Clemson, GA Tech and FSU. they didn't.
They could have split in 2003, and at 9, be in the position to bring in 5 Big 12 schools. they didn't.
And now, if they don't split, they could lose 2 more to the ACC and have no options if the Big 12 goes another route.


But i can say this: I have no doubt that Louisville and Kansas will be in the same conference 5 years from now.

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where did NC State go?

NEVER MIND

Pitt gets tons of research grant money. That is probably the reason.

The Big East football schools remaining voted 6-0 to split. But Trangese reminded them that if they split, they'd be leaving FIVE hoops schools screwed over. So they added Marquette and DePaul because of the "six continuous members for five years" clause in the NCAA rules.

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Let's not forget that there was a summit of East Coast independents in the 80s as well to talk about forming a football conference. Louisville ended up killing it. But teams in play then included:

Boston College
Syracuse
Penn State
Pitt
West Virginia
Temple
Rutgers
Florida State
Miami
Virginia Tech
South Carolina
Georgia Tech
Louisville
Cincinnati
Tulane
Memphis

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God I hope the ACC don't add Notre Damage all they do is live off of others kinda like a leach. If want Independence be independence in all sports same goes for Texas and BYU.

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UConn source: 'Better than average chance' Huskies will join ACC

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Wow what a stunner the ACC pulled off! Enjoyed reading everyone's analysis here..

For the visually impaired, Here's a latest graphic of the latest rumored ACC 16 to be. Obviously I'm just guessing on the division setup, but the north/south alignment makes most sense to me (that's probably why they'll wind up doing it some other way! Gosh I hope they don't go cheesy on us with something like Leaders/Legends):



...Oh, and just one guy's opinion: I wouldn't put it past Clemson or Fla St. paying the $20 million exit fee if the SEC came calling. Not that the ACC isn't stronger now, but those schools are more football-oriented and fit the SEC mold. The $20 mill. could be pocket change as compared to the future revenue streams of the SEC's renegotiated TV deals.