Same reason the Big East wanted Notre Dame. They bring lots of eyeballs for hoops, quality athletics across the board, solid academic rep. But for the ACC, yes, the plan is to get Notre Dame for all sports. The initial talks were along the lines of:

"NS, look, if the Big East folds due to members leaving and you feel the need to join an all-sports conference if you're only option is the A10 2.0 without any BCS schools (or a waterdown Big East that is more like CUSA) then consider us. You're other options are Big 12 (unstable), Big Ten (have to lose NBC contract, likely lose every year with so many better football programs) or us, the ACC. With us, you'll get even more northeast market exposure due to BC, Pitt, Syracuse and likely Uconn or Rutgers to join with you...you'll get to keep your NBC contract for the time being and then roll it into a new mega contract that would be superior to that one...you'd have a foothold in the recruit-rich south...and we'd be able to create a schedule so that every year you get to play the northern schools you prefer such as BC, Pitt, syracuse and the 4th we add...Miami too...and then 2 games against the other division member like Maryland or UVA and then another against an ACC school. Still have your 3 spots for OOC games like USC, Navy, etc."

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WSJ article with comments from ACC Commish regarding league expansion and tv deals at http://online.wsj.com/article/APcd968d3 ... a4bfd.html

Interesting Boston Globe article with comments from BC AD regarding ACC expansion strategy at http://www.boston.com/news/education/hi ... ove_by_acc

Freaked, I was reading that article in the Globe today about the ACC...

http://blogs.courier-journal.com/ericcr ... expansion/

Some good info came from it. As we know, BC was against adding UConn, but it went further where they did everything possible to block them as they wanted to be only New England schools.

That said, the order of expansion went:

1) Syracuse
2) Uconn
3) Pitt


The other big item was that expansion WAS triggered by ESPN, not the ACC. So the comments I and others have made about the ACC adding the two northern schools. It falls in line with what we all knew: Big East rejected ESPN contract offer, thinking they could do better. ESPN, in a godfather like sense, "whacked" the Big East by taking Syracuse and Pitt, lowering the value of the Big East while improving the ESPN/ACC product. The result is now the Big East being lucky to get what ESPN offered originally...so ESPN might end up with the Big East anyways at 1/2 to 2/3 the price.


Also, ESPN and the ACC wanted Syracuse and Uconn. BC complained enough and the ACC wasn't going to expand to 14 without it being unanimous.

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Very interesting article indeed. I'm a Syracuse fan and am ECSTATIC they found a solid home in all this mess going on. It's sad that UConn seems to have gotten screwed over by petty revenge from BC. Not that Pitt isn't a good choice for inclusion in the ACC, I just feel like UConn would have been a better option, an FBS bowl under their belt, 3 men's BB championships and maybe the preeminent women's BB team.

So we're getting closer to TV networks basically brokering conference affiliations. Awesome.

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Yeah, that's just terrific. But why wouldn't ESPN also want UConn and Rutgers in the ACC? That'd give the network basketball matchups between UConn vs. Duke and UConn vs. UNC which would receive tremendous ratings. Also, the ACC basketball tourney in MSG w/ Pitt, Cuse, UConn, Duke, UNC all in the same tournament would be a ratings extravaganza.

Who cares if BC throws a fit with UConn being admitted? Weren't the Eagles in the same conference as the Huskies for 26 years?

The same article you just read answers that question for you: because football generates 75% of the money. If basketball had any cache, the defending national champs would have been invited, regardless of BC's stance.

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Actually, Mike K. from Duke was supposedly behind the ACC expansion, thinking that it would strengthen ACC BB at the expense of Big East BB. He urged growth to 16 with UConn included, but FB heads preferred 14.

http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2 ... e-football

"ACC Commissioner John Swofford appears to have given Notre Dame an ultimatum: Either join as a full member or look elsewhere."

"The popular theory has been that the ACC has been holding two spots open in order to get to 16 teams. Notre Dame and UConn seem to be the most obvious choices. Notre Dame, which currently is in the Big East for all sports other than football, doesn't want to move their entire sports department over, the ACC seems poised to move in another direction. Among the most obvious candidates is Rutgers."

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Good, I hope the follow though and actually add Rutgers/UConn by next year while ND ponders or says they're good in the Catholic league.

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For the sake of both of them, I hope it works out that way. Been watching these Rutgers vs UNC hopes games past couple years and they make sense...Rutgers, despite it's northern local, makes sense in the aCC. But ND is a big fish.

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Interesting tweet if it's authentic.

Now who exactly is Teel ? And how do we know that actually came from Swofford ?

I'm a little hesitatnt to believe that John Swofford would put sensitive conversations regarding Notre Dame out there in the public domain...

If it's real, it seems to indicate that the ACC is at least considering jumping to 16.
A N-S split is a lot neater, if they were to add 2 more schools to the north, and UConn & Rutgers plug in very nicely.

If the plan is for the ACC to ever go to 16, their candidates are very limited, since they are hemmed in by the SEC and B1G.
So if they eventually want UConn & Rutgers, they'll need to move before the B1G does.

Even if right now they prefer to stay at 14, IF the Big XII were to grab WVU and Louisville, BE FB is down to 4.
If the ACC were to suddenly jump in and invite UConn & Rutgers, would the BE then abandon FB ?

Would Marinatto (left with only USF and Cincy) press on and try to invite half of CUSA / MWC to get to 12, or just cede the AQ to CUSA/MWC,
if they were to offer Cincy / USF an all-sports invitation ? I think that would be the best solution for all concerned.
At this point, the BE BB schools would seem to relish the opportunity to cleanly sever all these entanglement, and just press on as a BB league.

I've been pretty public on my stance on the ACC: that like with the Pac-16 scenario, it's a rare case where a conference can GAIN much more value in larger numbers.

The concept is simple: if Big East was in a position to turn down the 1.5 billion long term deal with ESPN, there is value. There are Big Easters on this forum who felt that the Big East might get more than the ACC due to the timing (inflation of value of conference TV contracts) and the conferences core being in the northeast with UConn, SU, Pitt, Rutgers, WVU.

If that were the case, then the ACC dealt a brutal blow to the Big East. As we know now, the new TV contract is expected to be less than the original ESPN offer. This is why Boise St. is on the list (national interest)...same as AF...Houston, SMU and UCF due to the Houston, Dallas and Orlando markets.

But the northeast is still the core market area.

And with the ACC adding SU and Pitt, they essentially took those shares from the BE with the expected per-school ACC payout expected to be at worst 2 million extra per school...at worst. Now add Uconn and Rutgers and the numbers seem to favor a bump of 4 million per school in the ACC.

It's the age old story where 2 parts are attractive, but worth much more when becoming a "sum of parts". And in COMPLETELY taking over the northeast region as the ACC, it's even more attractive to TV partners. You have your strong national brands in Florida St., Miami, and even now VA Tech. But you now have ALL the powers in the northeast with BC, Uconn, Syracuse, Pitt and rutgers.

What makes this different is take Rutgers. They might not be a Texas or USC. But they are the only game in town. It's not like say, adding ECU and claiming you have NC...since ECU is at the bottom of the list...or the big ten addign cincy and saying they have the Cincy market, when Ohio st. is the game in town.




The pac-16 was similar in the value of Texas and OU along with 2 additional TX/OK schools.

But the SEC? 16 only works as a homerun with Texas, OU, etc. so 13-14 does ample for them. The Big Ten? If they thought it could work, they would have eyeballed it more...but Missouri, Kansas, Rutgers, Kansas St. aren't gonna cut it.

Because there is a saturation point.

The ACC hasn't reached it because of the northeast potential.



and ND knows it, which is why ND is even on the radar. And this is why even if ND passes, you might see Uconn/Rutgers added right away. Because it's a rare circumstance where a conference "settles" for a Rutgers over ND but the finances are still a benefit for the conference.

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ACC coaches want 16 and would love Notre Dame:
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