ACC Realignment & Expansion Thread

Fresno St. Alum · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2012 4:00 pm

seanbo wrote:

lash wrote:

I believe the concern or issue with Florida State goes far beyond revenue sharing. Exit fees are just noise.

Assuming the BCS final four were installed and in place this upcoming season.

Florida State ACC conference schedule would include Wake Forest, Clemson, NC State, Boston College, Miami Fla, Duke, Va Tech, Maryland.

Only two of the above teams are in the pre season top 25 rankings.

If Florida State were in Big 12 this year and playing round robin football, the schedule would include Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, West Virginia, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Oklahoma State, and Oklahoma.

Florida State would have six teams ranked on the Big 12 schedule.

Home attendance would be just one of the benefits to a fan friendly football schedule playing in the Big 12..

Now if you use the above two conference schedule comparisons and Florida State goes 11 and 1 and has to compete with an undefeated LSU and one loss Alabama, which schedule helps Florida State more on gaining access to one of the lucrative BCS final four bowls.

There is no way three teams from the southeast are going to make regular appearances in the BCS final four.

Florida State is not really competing against the Boston Colleges, eventually Syracuse’s, Wake Forest of the world and is actually competing against the University of Florida, University of Georgia, University of Alabama, Auburns of the world to gain access to one of these final four BCS bowls.

As a football fan, I would be in panic mode at the thought of playing ACC football and trying to reach a BCS final four playoff.

There's some panic at FSU but it's not about the ACC schedule. If FSU goes undefeated they are in, after that, it's a crap shoot for all 1 loss teams except the SEC. Florida State panic is that the have to compete with the SEC for recruits. Everyone knows that the SEC is about to get paid by ESPN.

This is FSU's nightmare. Florida is about to get somewhere around $25 million from the new SEC contract. Florida gets $10 million for their 3rd tier rights. FSU on the other hand gets (12 to) $17 million from the ACC and only got $379,000 last year for theirs.
Florida doubles FSU's take and that doesn't include the fact that UF has not only a bigger alumni base but a much richer alumni base.

If that's not enough of a problem, consider how close Alabama, Auburn and Georgia are to the Seminoles. Auburn 204 miles, Georgia 284 miles, Alabama 310 miles. FSU doesn't recruit against the ACC it recruits against the SEC.

Also look at the athletic budgets of those schools compared to FSU's. Alabama 124 million, Florida 123 million, Auburn 103 million and Georgia 92 million, compare that to FSU's 78 million. Louisville has a bigger budget than FSU at 87 million.

Now, that's the panic.

So how do you fix that? B12?see if the SEC will go to 16 and sell yourself as a national brand rather than horning in on Fla's market?

seanbo · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2012 5:45 pm

tute79 wrote:

Let's not forget these things go in cycles....

One year within the last decade OSU & Michigan were #1 / #2 all season. Some complained that both weren't set up in the NC game.
If memory serves, LSU (Jamarcus Russell) killed OSU.

I think it was 2005, BE had 3 of top 5 in polls, Rutgers, Louisville, USF (WVU in there two). Schiano now gone, Petrino long since gone, RRod gone.

FSU, Miami, Va Tech have all been highly ranked at times. Miami and FSU have gone through different head coaches.

Notre Dame was a feared opponent under Holtz, mediocre under Davies and Weis, may become a contender under Kelly.

My Point - the fortunes of all these teams can change in short order.
They can rapidly rise given a good coaching staff and a few good recruiting years.
They can rapidly fall when the NFL steals their coach, and recruiting suffers.
and they can be on a see-saw, up one decade, down the next.

The key to long-term success as a program is a secure conference home and a sharp AD/President who make good coaching hires,
along with decent facilities that all help with recruiting.
All the schools in the Big 5 conferences should be able to afford the latter, with the huge cash flow from these TV deals.

There is WAY too much hysteria about various programs being more or less desirable based on a few wins in a given year.
FSU should shut up, sit tight, and they'll be fine.
They have natural recruiting advantages in Florida.
Bobby Bowdens only come along so often, but they'll have soem good seasons in the future, regardless of conference affiliation.

I am in total agreement with the writer who said that the ACC may be the best place to be,
IF they end up pulling off a coup and landing Notre Dame for all sports.
The BE seems ripe to fracture, and Notre Dame had better be looking for a landing spot.
If it's the ACC, the next TV contract may be a doozie !

It may be a doozie, considering the east cost markets they are in, their Nielson ratings be higher than the Big 12 and PAC, possible Notre Dame entry and if FSU, Miami and Clemson returns to their glory along. Unfortunately it will be another 15 years before it can happen. Makes you wonder why the ACC signed an extension if it's heavily backloaded.

Average TV viewers per game by conf Sept 1-Nov 30 2011:

SEC = 4.4 mil
B1G = 3.3 mil
ACC = 2.6 mil
Big12 = 2.3 mil
Pac = 2.1 mil
BE = 1.9 mil
(Nielsen)

seanbo · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2012 6:30 pm

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

seanbo wrote:

lash wrote:

I believe the concern or issue with Florida State goes far beyond revenue sharing. Exit fees are just noise.

Assuming the BCS final four were installed and in place this upcoming season.

Florida State ACC conference schedule would include Wake Forest, Clemson, NC State, Boston College, Miami Fla, Duke, Va Tech, Maryland.

Only two of the above teams are in the pre season top 25 rankings.

If Florida State were in Big 12 this year and playing round robin football, the schedule would include Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, West Virginia, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Oklahoma State, and Oklahoma.

Florida State would have six teams ranked on the Big 12 schedule.

Home attendance would be just one of the benefits to a fan friendly football schedule playing in the Big 12..

Now if you use the above two conference schedule comparisons and Florida State goes 11 and 1 and has to compete with an undefeated LSU and one loss Alabama, which schedule helps Florida State more on gaining access to one of the lucrative BCS final four bowls.

There is no way three teams from the southeast are going to make regular appearances in the BCS final four.

Florida State is not really competing against the Boston Colleges, eventually Syracuse’s, Wake Forest of the world and is actually competing against the University of Florida, University of Georgia, University of Alabama, Auburns of the world to gain access to one of these final four BCS bowls.

As a football fan, I would be in panic mode at the thought of playing ACC football and trying to reach a BCS final four playoff.

There's some panic at FSU but it's not about the ACC schedule. If FSU goes undefeated they are in, after that, it's a crap shoot for all 1 loss teams except the SEC. Florida State panic is that the have to compete with the SEC for recruits. Everyone knows that the SEC is about to get paid by ESPN.

This is FSU's nightmare. Florida is about to get somewhere around $25 million from the new SEC contract. Florida gets $10 million for their 3rd tier rights. FSU on the other hand gets (12 to) $17 million from the ACC and only got $379,000 last year for theirs.
Florida doubles FSU's take and that doesn't include the fact that UF has not only a bigger alumni base but a much richer alumni base.

If that's not enough of a problem, consider how close Alabama, Auburn and Georgia are to the Seminoles. Auburn 204 miles, Georgia 284 miles, Alabama 310 miles. FSU doesn't recruit against the ACC it recruits against the SEC.

Also look at the athletic budgets of those schools compared to FSU's. Alabama 124 million, Florida 123 million, Auburn 103 million and Georgia 92 million, compare that to FSU's 78 million. Louisville has a bigger budget than FSU at 87 million.

Now, that's the panic.

So how do you fix that? B12?see if the SEC will go to 16 and sell yourself as a national brand rather than horning in on Fla's market?

Joining the SEC would be ideal for FSU but the SEC is interested in only new markets unless maybe say a Big 12 wants to enter SEC country.

Second choice will be joining a conference just as powerful as the SEC. Unfortunately, there isn't one right now. It would have to be created. I would prefer for Texas and Oklahoma to talk to FSU and Notre Dame about starting a brand new conference so the new conference could get bids from all the networks not just ESPN. I'm not sure how legally bound Texas and Oklahoma are to their Presidents 6 year verbal agreement. I don't think anything is on paper and signed but could be wrong.

Third choice is where I believe the Big 12 may have a major opportunity here. It doesn't happen by adding just FSU, they have to go big. Add not just FSU but all the ACC's "football" schools, add Clemson, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech and Miami. The 16th spot goes to Notre Dame. Now that's a conference every bit as good as the SEC and if this conference's 1st tier rights got to the open market, it would pass whatever money that the SEC receives in 2012.

Will FSU every have the money UF has? NO, but it would have plenty of money to continue to compete.

Fresno St. Alum · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2012 8:39 pm

seanbo wrote:

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

seanbo wrote:

lash wrote:

I believe the concern or issue with Florida State goes far beyond revenue sharing. Exit fees are just noise.

Assuming the BCS final four were installed and in place this upcoming season.

Florida State ACC conference schedule would include Wake Forest, Clemson, NC State, Boston College, Miami Fla, Duke, Va Tech, Maryland.

Only two of the above teams are in the pre season top 25 rankings.

If Florida State were in Big 12 this year and playing round robin football, the schedule would include Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, West Virginia, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Oklahoma State, and Oklahoma.

Florida State would have six teams ranked on the Big 12 schedule.

Home attendance would be just one of the benefits to a fan friendly football schedule playing in the Big 12..

Now if you use the above two conference schedule comparisons and Florida State goes 11 and 1 and has to compete with an undefeated LSU and one loss Alabama, which schedule helps Florida State more on gaining access to one of the lucrative BCS final four bowls.

There is no way three teams from the southeast are going to make regular appearances in the BCS final four.

Florida State is not really competing against the Boston Colleges, eventually Syracuse’s, Wake Forest of the world and is actually competing against the University of Florida, University of Georgia, University of Alabama, Auburns of the world to gain access to one of these final four BCS bowls.

As a football fan, I would be in panic mode at the thought of playing ACC football and trying to reach a BCS final four playoff.

There's some panic at FSU but it's not about the ACC schedule. If FSU goes undefeated they are in, after that, it's a crap shoot for all 1 loss teams except the SEC. Florida State panic is that the have to compete with the SEC for recruits. Everyone knows that the SEC is about to get paid by ESPN.

This is FSU's nightmare. Florida is about to get somewhere around $25 million from the new SEC contract. Florida gets $10 million for their 3rd tier rights. FSU on the other hand gets (12 to) $17 million from the ACC and only got $379,000 last year for theirs.
Florida doubles FSU's take and that doesn't include the fact that UF has not only a bigger alumni base but a much richer alumni base.

If that's not enough of a problem, consider how close Alabama, Auburn and Georgia are to the Seminoles. Auburn 204 miles, Georgia 284 miles, Alabama 310 miles. FSU doesn't recruit against the ACC it recruits against the SEC.

Also look at the athletic budgets of those schools compared to FSU's. Alabama 124 million, Florida 123 million, Auburn 103 million and Georgia 92 million, compare that to FSU's 78 million. Louisville has a bigger budget than FSU at 87 million.

Now, that's the panic.

So how do you fix that? B12?see if the SEC will go to 16 and sell yourself as a national brand rather than horning in on Fla's market?

Joining the SEC would be ideal for FSU but the SEC is interested in only new markets unless maybe say a Big 12 wants to enter SEC country.

Second choice will be joining a conference just as powerful as the SEC. Unfortunately, there isn't one right now. It would have to be created. I would prefer for Texas and Oklahoma to talk to FSU and Notre Dame about starting a brand new conference so the new conference could get bids from all the networks not just ESPN. I'm not sure how legally bound Texas and Oklahoma are to their Presidents 6 year verbal agreement. I don't think anything is on paper and signed but could be wrong.

Third choice is where I believe the Big 12 may have a major opportunity here. It doesn't happen by adding just FSU, they have to go big. Add not just FSU but all the ACC's "football" schools, add Clemson, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech and Miami. The 16th spot goes to Notre Dame. Now that's a conference every bit as good as the SEC and if this conference's 1st tier rights got to the open market, it would pass whatever money that the SEC receives in 2012.

Will FSU every have the money UF has? NO, but it would have plenty of money to continue to compete.

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B12 agreed to 13 year grant of rights. So you'd have to join them since they can't start a new conf. or leave for 13 years

seanbo · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2012 10:46 pm

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

seanbo wrote:

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

seanbo wrote:

lash wrote:

I believe the concern or issue with Florida State goes far beyond revenue sharing. Exit fees are just noise.

Assuming the BCS final four were installed and in place this upcoming season.

Florida State ACC conference schedule would include Wake Forest, Clemson, NC State, Boston College, Miami Fla, Duke, Va Tech, Maryland.

Only two of the above teams are in the pre season top 25 rankings.

If Florida State were in Big 12 this year and playing round robin football, the schedule would include Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, West Virginia, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Oklahoma State, and Oklahoma.

Florida State would have six teams ranked on the Big 12 schedule.

Home attendance would be just one of the benefits to a fan friendly football schedule playing in the Big 12..

Now if you use the above two conference schedule comparisons and Florida State goes 11 and 1 and has to compete with an undefeated LSU and one loss Alabama, which schedule helps Florida State more on gaining access to one of the lucrative BCS final four bowls.

There is no way three teams from the southeast are going to make regular appearances in the BCS final four.

Florida State is not really competing against the Boston Colleges, eventually Syracuse’s, Wake Forest of the world and is actually competing against the University of Florida, University of Georgia, University of Alabama, Auburns of the world to gain access to one of these final four BCS bowls.

As a football fan, I would be in panic mode at the thought of playing ACC football and trying to reach a BCS final four playoff.

There's some panic at FSU but it's not about the ACC schedule. If FSU goes undefeated they are in, after that, it's a crap shoot for all 1 loss teams except the SEC. Florida State panic is that the have to compete with the SEC for recruits. Everyone knows that the SEC is about to get paid by ESPN.

This is FSU's nightmare. Florida is about to get somewhere around $25 million from the new SEC contract. Florida gets $10 million for their 3rd tier rights. FSU on the other hand gets (12 to) $17 million from the ACC and only got $379,000 last year for theirs.
Florida doubles FSU's take and that doesn't include the fact that UF has not only a bigger alumni base but a much richer alumni base.

If that's not enough of a problem, consider how close Alabama, Auburn and Georgia are to the Seminoles. Auburn 204 miles, Georgia 284 miles, Alabama 310 miles. FSU doesn't recruit against the ACC it recruits against the SEC.

Also look at the athletic budgets of those schools compared to FSU's. Alabama 124 million, Florida 123 million, Auburn 103 million and Georgia 92 million, compare that to FSU's 78 million. Louisville has a bigger budget than FSU at 87 million.

Now, that's the panic.

So how do you fix that? B12?see if the SEC will go to 16 and sell yourself as a national brand rather than horning in on Fla's market?

Joining the SEC would be ideal for FSU but the SEC is interested in only new markets unless maybe say a Big 12 wants to enter SEC country.

Second choice will be joining a conference just as powerful as the SEC. Unfortunately, there isn't one right now. It would have to be created. I would prefer for Texas and Oklahoma to talk to FSU and Notre Dame about starting a brand new conference so the new conference could get bids from all the networks not just ESPN. I'm not sure how legally bound Texas and Oklahoma are to their Presidents 6 year verbal agreement. I don't think anything is on paper and signed but could be wrong.

Third choice is where I believe the Big 12 may have a major opportunity here. It doesn't happen by adding just FSU, they have to go big. Add not just FSU but all the ACC's "football" schools, add Clemson, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech and Miami. The 16th spot goes to Notre Dame. Now that's a conference every bit as good as the SEC and if this conference's 1st tier rights got to the open market, it would pass whatever money that the SEC receives in 2012.

Will FSU every have the money UF has? NO, but it would have plenty of money to continue to compete.

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B12 agreed to 13 year grant of rights. So you'd have to join them since they can't start a new conf. or leave for 13 years

I didn't think they signed the new contract yet which would have made it 13 years. Either way, then we'll go with option 3.
Doesn't really matter because from everything I read, Texas really isn't interested in expanding. They want to stay at 10 and the Big 12 commissioner wants to put a "pause" on realignment.

Fresno St. Alum · **Posted:** Wed May 16, 2012 12:15 am

seanbo wrote:

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

seanbo wrote:

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

seanbo wrote:

lash wrote:

I believe the concern or issue with Florida State goes far beyond revenue sharing. Exit fees are just noise.

Assuming the BCS final four were installed and in place this upcoming season.

Florida State ACC conference schedule would include Wake Forest, Clemson, NC State, Boston College, Miami Fla, Duke, Va Tech, Maryland.

Only two of the above teams are in the pre season top 25 rankings.

If Florida State were in Big 12 this year and playing round robin football, the schedule would include Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, West Virginia, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Oklahoma State, and Oklahoma.

Florida State would have six teams ranked on the Big 12 schedule.

Home attendance would be just one of the benefits to a fan friendly football schedule playing in the Big 12..

Now if you use the above two conference schedule comparisons and Florida State goes 11 and 1 and has to compete with an undefeated LSU and one loss Alabama, which schedule helps Florida State more on gaining access to one of the lucrative BCS final four bowls.

There is no way three teams from the southeast are going to make regular appearances in the BCS final four.

Florida State is not really competing against the Boston Colleges, eventually Syracuse’s, Wake Forest of the world and is actually competing against the University of Florida, University of Georgia, University of Alabama, Auburns of the world to gain access to one of these final four BCS bowls.

As a football fan, I would be in panic mode at the thought of playing ACC football and trying to reach a BCS final four playoff.

There's some panic at FSU but it's not about the ACC schedule. If FSU goes undefeated they are in, after that, it's a crap shoot for all 1 loss teams except the SEC. Florida State panic is that the have to compete with the SEC for recruits. Everyone knows that the SEC is about to get paid by ESPN.

This is FSU's nightmare. Florida is about to get somewhere around $25 million from the new SEC contract. Florida gets $10 million for their 3rd tier rights. FSU on the other hand gets (12 to) $17 million from the ACC and only got $379,000 last year for theirs.
Florida doubles FSU's take and that doesn't include the fact that UF has not only a bigger alumni base but a much richer alumni base.

If that's not enough of a problem, consider how close Alabama, Auburn and Georgia are to the Seminoles. Auburn 204 miles, Georgia 284 miles, Alabama 310 miles. FSU doesn't recruit against the ACC it recruits against the SEC.

Also look at the athletic budgets of those schools compared to FSU's. Alabama 124 million, Florida 123 million, Auburn 103 million and Georgia 92 million, compare that to FSU's 78 million. Louisville has a bigger budget than FSU at 87 million.

Now, that's the panic.

So how do you fix that? B12?see if the SEC will go to 16 and sell yourself as a national brand rather than horning in on Fla's market?

Joining the SEC would be ideal for FSU but the SEC is interested in only new markets unless maybe say a Big 12 wants to enter SEC country.

Second choice will be joining a conference just as powerful as the SEC. Unfortunately, there isn't one right now. It would have to be created. I would prefer for Texas and Oklahoma to talk to FSU and Notre Dame about starting a brand new conference so the new conference could get bids from all the networks not just ESPN. I'm not sure how legally bound Texas and Oklahoma are to their Presidents 6 year verbal agreement. I don't think anything is on paper and signed but could be wrong.

Third choice is where I believe the Big 12 may have a major opportunity here. It doesn't happen by adding just FSU, they have to go big. Add not just FSU but all the ACC's "football" schools, add Clemson, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech and Miami. The 16th spot goes to Notre Dame. Now that's a conference every bit as good as the SEC and if this conference's 1st tier rights got to the open market, it would pass whatever money that the SEC receives in 2012.

Will FSU every have the money UF has? NO, but it would have plenty of money to continue to compete.

\
B12 agreed to 13 year grant of rights. So you'd have to join them since they can't start a new conf. or leave for 13 years

I didn't think they signed the new contract yet which would have made it 13 years. Either way, then we'll go with option 3.
Doesn't really matter because from everything I read, Texas really isn't interested in expanding. They want to stay at 10 and the Big 12 commissioner wants to put a "pause" on realignment.

I don't know if they signed it yet either, but they agreed to it. It counted in the WAC buyout when Nevada verbally agreed. It doesn't count when a recruit verbally agrees though.

seanbo · **Posted:** Wed May 16, 2012 3:54 am

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

seanbo wrote:

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

seanbo wrote:

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

seanbo wrote:

lash wrote:

I believe the concern or issue with Florida State goes far beyond revenue sharing. Exit fees are just noise.

Assuming the BCS final four were installed and in place this upcoming season.

Florida State ACC conference schedule would include Wake Forest, Clemson, NC State, Boston College, Miami Fla, Duke, Va Tech, Maryland.

Only two of the above teams are in the pre season top 25 rankings.

If Florida State were in Big 12 this year and playing round robin football, the schedule would include Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, West Virginia, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Oklahoma State, and Oklahoma.

Florida State would have six teams ranked on the Big 12 schedule.

Home attendance would be just one of the benefits to a fan friendly football schedule playing in the Big 12..

Now if you use the above two conference schedule comparisons and Florida State goes 11 and 1 and has to compete with an undefeated LSU and one loss Alabama, which schedule helps Florida State more on gaining access to one of the lucrative BCS final four bowls.

There is no way three teams from the southeast are going to make regular appearances in the BCS final four.

Florida State is not really competing against the Boston Colleges, eventually Syracuse’s, Wake Forest of the world and is actually competing against the University of Florida, University of Georgia, University of Alabama, Auburns of the world to gain access to one of these final four BCS bowls.

As a football fan, I would be in panic mode at the thought of playing ACC football and trying to reach a BCS final four playoff.

There's some panic at FSU but it's not about the ACC schedule. If FSU goes undefeated they are in, after that, it's a crap shoot for all 1 loss teams except the SEC. Florida State panic is that the have to compete with the SEC for recruits. Everyone knows that the SEC is about to get paid by ESPN.

This is FSU's nightmare. Florida is about to get somewhere around $25 million from the new SEC contract. Florida gets $10 million for their 3rd tier rights. FSU on the other hand gets (12 to) $17 million from the ACC and only got $379,000 last year for theirs.
Florida doubles FSU's take and that doesn't include the fact that UF has not only a bigger alumni base but a much richer alumni base.

If that's not enough of a problem, consider how close Alabama, Auburn and Georgia are to the Seminoles. Auburn 204 miles, Georgia 284 miles, Alabama 310 miles. FSU doesn't recruit against the ACC it recruits against the SEC.

Also look at the athletic budgets of those schools compared to FSU's. Alabama 124 million, Florida 123 million, Auburn 103 million and Georgia 92 million, compare that to FSU's 78 million. Louisville has a bigger budget than FSU at 87 million.

Now, that's the panic.

So how do you fix that? B12?see if the SEC will go to 16 and sell yourself as a national brand rather than horning in on Fla's market?

Joining the SEC would be ideal for FSU but the SEC is interested in only new markets unless maybe say a Big 12 wants to enter SEC country.

Second choice will be joining a conference just as powerful as the SEC. Unfortunately, there isn't one right now. It would have to be created. I would prefer for Texas and Oklahoma to talk to FSU and Notre Dame about starting a brand new conference so the new conference could get bids from all the networks not just ESPN. I'm not sure how legally bound Texas and Oklahoma are to their Presidents 6 year verbal agreement. I don't think anything is on paper and signed but could be wrong.

Third choice is where I believe the Big 12 may have a major opportunity here. It doesn't happen by adding just FSU, they have to go big. Add not just FSU but all the ACC's "football" schools, add Clemson, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech and Miami. The 16th spot goes to Notre Dame. Now that's a conference every bit as good as the SEC and if this conference's 1st tier rights got to the open market, it would pass whatever money that the SEC receives in 2012.

Will FSU every have the money UF has? NO, but it would have plenty of money to continue to compete.

\
B12 agreed to 13 year grant of rights. So you'd have to join them since they can't start a new conf. or leave for 13 years

I didn't think they signed the new contract yet which would have made it 13 years. Either way, then we'll go with option 3.
Doesn't really matter because from everything I read, Texas really isn't interested in expanding. They want to stay at 10 and the Big 12 commissioner wants to put a "pause" on realignment.

I don't know if they signed it yet either, but they agreed to it. It counted in the WAC buyout when Nevada verbally agreed. It doesn't count when a recruit verbally agrees though.

They verbally agreed to the ESPN contract but still have to sign it (right?) to make it legal. Could come down to who has the best lawyers.

The Bishin Cutter · **Joined:** Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:41 am **Posts:** 543

I think the only way the ACC could get out of that agreement would be for the schools to collectively (and, I think by ACC by-laws, unanimously) censure motion Swofford, saying he didn't represent the conference faithfully in negotiations as well as other things, then refuse thereafter. Anything else wouldn't result favorably for the ACC.

Color me unsympathetic for FSU's money woes. These boys would be swimming in it if they had any courage to compete in the SEC. Expecting Duke and Wake to care about football to the degree that even a lesser program in the SEC, like Vandy or the Miss schools was moronic on the part of the Seminoles.

sec03 · **Joined:** Sat May 20, 2006 2:09 pm **Posts:** 1232

In 5/17/2012 article (Travis Sawbrick - The Charleston Post & Courier; http://www.postandcourier.com/section/sports/ )
Reported Clemson BOT Chairman David Wilkins says "Clemson has not been in contact with the B12 regarding interest in changing conference affiliation." He reaffirmed committment to the ACC.
He stated unequivocally "no" per any kind of overtures by the B12. Clemson noted as "thought to be an unlikely B12 match due to its history as a founding ACC member and the importance of the Charlotte & Atlanta markets".

Also, at the ACC meetings in Amelia Island, ACC Commissioner Swofford conveyed the FSU situation was not brought up "in any formal way". Commish also says schools prefer to keep bowls involved in the playoff system. (Article by Joedy McCreary, AP, reported in the SC State Newspaper (http://WWW.THESTATE.COM/Sports/) 5/17/2012

seanbo · **Posted:** Thu May 17, 2012 1:01 pm

sec03 wrote:

In 5/17/2012 article (Travis Sawbrick - The Charleston Post & Courier; http://www.postandcourier.com/section/sports/ )
Reported Clemson BOT Chairman David Wilkins says "Clemson has not been in contact with the B12 regarding interest in changing conference affiliation." He reaffirmed committment to the ACC.
He stated unequivocally "no" per any kind of overtures by the B12. Clemson noted as "thought to be an unlikely B12 match due to its history as a founding ACC member and the importance of the Charlotte & Atlanta markets".

Also, at the ACC meetings in Amelia Island, ACC Commissioner Swofford conveyed the FSU situation was not brought up "in any formal way". Commish also says schools prefer to keep bowls involved in the playoff system. (Article by Joedy McCreary, AP, reported in the SC State Newspaper (http://WWW.THESTATE.COM/Sports/) 5/17/2012

Doesn't matter what they say, all it takes is 1 big-mouth BOT member with misstatements and you have just joined the Big 12. :lol:

lash · **Posted:** Thu May 17, 2012 2:24 pm

seanbo wrote:

sec03 wrote:

In 5/17/2012 article (Travis Sawbrick - The Charleston Post & Courier; http://www.postandcourier.com/section/sports/ )
Reported Clemson BOT Chairman David Wilkins says "Clemson has not been in contact with the B12 regarding interest in changing conference affiliation." He reaffirmed committment to the ACC.
He stated unequivocally "no" per any kind of overtures by the B12. Clemson noted as "thought to be an unlikely B12 match due to its history as a founding ACC member and the importance of the Charlotte & Atlanta markets".

Also, at the ACC meetings in Amelia Island, ACC Commissioner Swofford conveyed the FSU situation was not brought up "in any formal way". Commish also says schools prefer to keep bowls involved in the playoff system. (Article by Joedy McCreary, AP, reported in the SC State Newspaper (http://WWW.THESTATE.COM/Sports/) 5/17/2012

Doesn't matter what they say, all it takes is 1 big-mouth BOT member with misstatements and you have just joined the Big 12. :lol:

I don’t want burst your ACC bubble, however, everyone in the Big East thought the same thing when leaks of Miami to the ACC started to surface almost a decade ago.

Officials with in the Big East laughed at the very thought and were reassured when the Miami President and Athletic Director came out in public to deny those reports and stated they both were firmly committed to the Big East.

As always with expansion which translates into money, be prepared for disappointments.

Big East may be thinking what goes around comes around. Just saying be prepared for the unthinkable!

The Bishin Cutter · **Joined:** Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:41 am **Posts:** 543

And again, nobody but the Big East could honestly be that surprised that a school with as much history with the ACC in the late 80's to actually attend conference meetings to campaign for membership would defect for said conference the next opportunity membership was on the table. It doesn't excuse Shalala's stupid comment, but, seriously...did anyone in the Big East not know what Jankovich was doing only years before?

sec03 · **Joined:** Sat May 20, 2006 2:09 pm **Posts:** 1232

Agree. Then BE Commish Tranghese sounded as if he was shocked, suprised, betrayed, etc. Miami's negotiations with the ACC was a big secret without leaks? There are way too many folks involved at all sorts of schools and offices for all inside-players not to know.

Tranghese looked disingenuous and projecting blame for the lack of any real countering efforts. If he wasn't in the loop per developments, such looks quite inept in being on top of things.

The Bishin Cutter · **Joined:** Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:41 am **Posts:** 543

sec03 wrote:

Tranghese looked disingenuous and projecting blame for the lack of any real countering efforts. If he wasn't in the loop per developments, such looks quite inept in being on top of things.

The whole lawsuit looked terrible in that it didn't also name Virginia Tech and Syracuse. Those two got a gift.

As for the latest news about the B12-SEC consolation bowl, and where that puts FSU, if FSU does in fact defect, it's possible the ACC gets one very influential ally that could plug up FSU's gap, force a contract renegotiation, put the B12 back into a weak position, and really hurt a lot of future expansion matters by keeping things clean at 12/14: Notre Dame. And the ACC could get ND for all-sports and NOT have to take any "dead weight," like UConn, Rutgers, UL, or Cincy if all that is needed is a new #14.

In certain respects, I believe the B1G may be fine with ND being elsewhere for some time if it allows their conference from having to deal with the onslaught of programs potentially ruining the landscape of all of CFB just to get a B1G+ND conference schedule for undesirable member #14, or some other ridiculous merger to build a super-conferences (like the SEC-16). And I'm sure the PAC would be fine at 12 if they can't get Texas and Oklahoma without their "issue" +1's. For the PAC at this point, it's pretty much BYU, AFA, Hawaii, UNM, or bust.

freaked4collegefb · **Joined:** Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:37 pm **Posts:** 7063

Dennis Dodd piece suggesting that new Big 12/SEC bowl deal "could freeze out" ACC and others from FB postseason at http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... ig-picture

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