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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 12:00 pm 
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Here is another interesting article on how Notre Dame could have a future impact on the current ACC alignment concerning autonomy http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... sociations.

Since the NCAA approved the autonomy for the power leagues, it could become very unstable in the power leagues for some schools that did not want to pay players while others did to keep a competitive balance.

I have always suspected the NCAA would eventually become obsolete with the autonomy model for the large power leagues that want to play players to play semi pro college sports.

What is interesting is that a school such as Notre Dame is not willing per this article to play the autonomy game. This is somewhat surprising until you look at the bottom line and realize the complications of a private school having the resources to provide education and pay players in the process without help from the state governments. It can also impact a school such as the University of Virginia that is state funded and wants to keep a clear amateur model per this article with emphases on education and not semi pro sports.

If the TV contacts provide the last round of realignment of major college conferences, autonomy could provide the next round of this realignment merry go round.

What happens to the ACC if Notre Dame, Boston College, Virginia, Duke, and Wake Forest do not want to pay players and join a different governing body that the other ACC colleagues?

You would have to believe at best the ACC would need to split into two separate divisions or conferences for schools that would pay players and schools that would not provide autonomy.

If Vanderbilt left the SEC, would the SEC come calling for another ACC school as a replacement?

Could the ACC continue to keep up with the other power leagues if a Florida State replaced Vanderbilt in the SEC and BC, Notre Dame, Duke, Wake, and Virginia left for a league with less emphases on paying players.

Would some of the other ACC football schools finally want to join a league that is more football orientated and willing to pay autonomy.

If Virginia was not part of the future ACC autonomy conference, Virginia Tech would most certainly look at another league that is willing to keep up with autonomy. Ditto Clemson.

Autonomy or schools willing to pay players are most likely going to be grouped into future conference alignments that previously would based on conferences ability to command a huge TV contract.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 3:46 pm 
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Deciding to pay college athletes has opened a Pandora's box that I'm not sure the powers have quite realized all of the resulting implications. This decisive issue could tear conferences apart and result in some pretty nasty feelings between institutions who want to maintain the status quo and those who want to raise the ante and the stakes by playing players for their services. Schools like Vanderbilt, Duke, Boston College, Wake Forest, and Northwestern don't have the resources to compete in this arms race especially if a court ever rules that student athletes at private schools have the right to unionize and collective bargaining.


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Really, Dennis Dodd doing Swarbrick's PR bidding again?


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 2:02 pm 
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Here is another interesting article on how Notre Dame could have a future impact on the current ACC alignment concerning autonomy http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... sociations" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

Since the NCAA approved the autonomy for the power leagues, it could become very unstable in the power leagues for some schools that did not want to pay players while others did to keep a competitive balance.

I have always suspected the NCAA would eventually become obsolete with the autonomy model for the large power leagues that want to play players to play semi pro college sports.

What is interesting is that a school such as Notre Dame is not willing per this article to play the autonomy game. This is somewhat surprising until you look at the bottom line and realize the complications of a private school having the resources to provide education and pay players in the process without help from the state governments. It can also impact a school such as the University of Virginia that is state funded and wants to keep a clear amateur model per this article with emphases on education and not semi pro sports.

If the TV contacts provide the last round of realignment of major college conferences, autonomy could provide the next round of this realignment merry go round.

What happens to the ACC if Notre Dame, Boston College, Virginia, Duke, and Wake Forest do not want to pay players and join a different governing body that the other ACC colleagues?

You would have to believe at best the ACC would need to split into two separate divisions or conferences for schools that would pay players and schools that would not provide autonomy.

If Vanderbilt left the SEC, would the SEC come calling for another ACC school as a replacement?

Could the ACC continue to keep up with the other power leagues if a Florida State replaced Vanderbilt in the SEC and BC, Notre Dame, Duke, Wake, and Virginia left for a league with less emphases on paying players.

Would some of the other ACC football schools finally want to join a league that is more football orientated and willing to pay autonomy.

If Virginia was not part of the future ACC autonomy conference, Virginia Tech would most certainly look at another league that is willing to keep up with autonomy. Ditto Clemson.

Autonomy or schools willing to pay players are most likely going to be grouped into future conference alignments that previously would based on conferences ability to command a huge TV contract.

Notre Dame could possibly form a new league with California, Stanford, Vanderbilt, TCU, Northwestern, Wake Forest, Duke, Virginia, Boston College. This league would command a very good TV contact regardless if the schools were paying players and getting the top jocks to play at this schools.

This would leave the following power leagues with some possible membership gaps to fill.

ACC (10 schools): Florida State, Miami, Georgia Tech, Clemson, North Carolina, NC State, Virginia Tech, Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville

Pac 12 (back to Pac 10?): Arizona, Arizona State, USC, UCLA, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Wash State, Utah, Colorado

Big 12 (9 schools): Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, WVU, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma

SEC (13 schools): Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, LSU, Arkansas, Missouri, Texas A&M

Big Ten (13 schools): Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State, Rutgers, Maryland, Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska

Would the remaining 55 schools realign into one league or take some schools not currently in power leagues to fill the gaps or just raid each other to fill any desired gaps?

Based on the previous comments of the Big Ten Commissioner comments, the Big Ten would not allow players to be played, however, the same commissioner was not in favor of college football playoff as well.

I would assume that others in this 55 group would decide to join a league that does not pay players and/or concentrates on academics over a semi pro league.

Maybe some non power league schools may want to jump up to semi pro such as BYU, Boise State, UConn etc.

Regardless, I agree this autonomy is a real threat to future conference alignments regardless if those leagues have current huge TV contacts and networks and are currently considered a power league.

I could see the Big Ten and ACC falling back to concentrate on academics and possibly having Florida State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State of the world to want to be in a semi pro type league.

Could the SEC just become the semi pro league for all schools willing to pay the price?


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lash wrote:
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Here is another interesting article on how Notre Dame could have a future impact on the current ACC alignment concerning autonomy http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... sociations" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

Since the NCAA approved the autonomy for the power leagues, it could become very unstable in the power leagues for some schools that did not want to pay players while others did to keep a competitive balance.

I have always suspected the NCAA would eventually become obsolete with the autonomy model for the large power leagues that want to play players to play semi pro college sports.

What is interesting is that a school such as Notre Dame is not willing per this article to play the autonomy game. This is somewhat surprising until you look at the bottom line and realize the complications of a private school having the resources to provide education and pay players in the process without help from the state governments. It can also impact a school such as the University of Virginia that is state funded and wants to keep a clear amateur model per this article with emphases on education and not semi pro sports.

If the TV contacts provide the last round of realignment of major college conferences, autonomy could provide the next round of this realignment merry go round.

What happens to the ACC if Notre Dame, Boston College, Virginia, Duke, and Wake Forest do not want to pay players and join a different governing body that the other ACC colleagues?

You would have to believe at best the ACC would need to split into two separate divisions or conferences for schools that would pay players and schools that would not provide autonomy.

If Vanderbilt left the SEC, would the SEC come calling for another ACC school as a replacement?

Could the ACC continue to keep up with the other power leagues if a Florida State replaced Vanderbilt in the SEC and BC, Notre Dame, Duke, Wake, and Virginia left for a league with less emphases on paying players.

Would some of the other ACC football schools finally want to join a league that is more football orientated and willing to pay autonomy.

If Virginia was not part of the future ACC autonomy conference, Virginia Tech would most certainly look at another league that is willing to keep up with autonomy. Ditto Clemson.

Autonomy or schools willing to pay players are most likely going to be grouped into future conference alignments that previously would based on conferences ability to command a huge TV contract.

Notre Dame could possibly form a new league with California, Stanford, Vanderbilt, TCU, Northwestern, Wake Forest, Duke, Virginia, Boston College. This league would command a very good TV contact regardless if the schools were paying players and getting the top jocks to play at this schools.

This would leave the following power leagues with some possible membership gaps to fill.

ACC (10 schools): Florida State, Miami, Georgia Tech, Clemson, North Carolina, NC State, Virginia Tech, Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville

Pac 12 (back to Pac 10?): Arizona, Arizona State, USC, UCLA, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Wash State, Utah, Colorado

Big 12 (9 schools): Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, WVU, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma

SEC (13 schools): Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, LSU, Arkansas, Missouri, Texas A&M

Big Ten (13 schools): Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State, Rutgers, Maryland, Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska

Would the remaining 55 schools realign into one league or take some schools not currently in power leagues to fill the gaps or just raid each other to fill any desired gaps?

Based on the previous comments of the Big Ten Commissioner comments, the Big Ten would not allow players to be played, however, the same commissioner was not in favor of college football playoff as well.

I would assume that others in this 55 group would decide to join a league that does not pay players and/or concentrates on academics over a semi pro league.

Maybe some non power league schools may want to jump up to semi pro such as BYU, Boise State, UConn etc.

Regardless, I agree this autonomy is a real threat to future conference alignments regardless if those leagues have current huge TV contacts and networks and are currently considered a power league.

I could see the Big Ten and ACC falling back to concentrate on academics and possibly having Florida State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State of the world to want to be in a semi pro type league.

Could the SEC just become the semi pro league for all schools willing to pay the price?

It is absolutely amazing that folks on this board continue to add post after post on the Big 12 thread concerning the so called perceived instability of the current Big 12 alignment when autonomy is the real threat to instability within the power leagues.

While the Big 12 has GOR locked up tight until at least 2026, the autonomy issues are current and now and continuously are being reported as a major concern for the power leaders in major college conferences.

Guess all of us just can not think of the unthinkable, a Big Ten or SEC could eventually become impacted and potentially lose some schools based on autonomy!

Since autonomy debates or discussions gets lost in the Big 12 thread, maybe the ACC thread is as good of place to continue with these discussions.

Maybe most believe it is much more likely that Texas and Oklahoma will leave the Big 12 before a Vanderbilt or Northwestern part ways with current leagues due to pay for play of college players.


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