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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 12:27 pm 
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The ACC has cancelled seven conference events in the State of North Carolina this year regarding HB2. The ACC Conference Championship game slated to be played again in Charlotte on December 3rd may be relocated. North Carolina has already lost the NBA All Star game, and the NCAA recently decided not to hold organization-sponsored events in the state beyond an individual home team having earned the opportunity to host.

http://boston.edgemedianetwork.com/news ... i-lgbt_law"


http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/b ... 48922.html"

North Carolina is taking a HUGE financial hit over this law. In addition to the 9 ACC championships and the 7 NCAA championships already pulled, there could be more. The CIAA is headquartered in North Carolina and holds most of their championships (including football and basketball) in the state. The MEAC and Big South also have championships in North Carolina scheduled for this school year. And we all know how much North Carolina loves college sports.


According to below, "It has not been announced where the 2016 ACC Championship Game will move. Possible replacement sites include Jacksonville, Orlando, Miami and Washington, D.C."

http://www.postandcourier.com/20160914/ ... h-carolina


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 12:35 pm 
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Dirt357$ wrote:
They should bring uconn in like they did with ND all sport minus football that way their at 16 teams for all other sports


That's a plausible idea, Dirt. However, UConn would need a scheduling agreement in fb, like ND, with the ACC. It would be difficult for UConn to function as a fb independent on a high level without a number of assured games.

The ACC wants ND FT for #15. Another that may be considered for #16 would be WVU, if available when the time comes. Cincy has been trying for the ACC as well.

Texas, apparently, had been exploring with the ACC about a ND-type affiliation. Doubtful that will happen.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:28 pm 
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ACC MB thread(previously posted in another thread) discussing projected ACC tv deal revenue increases at http://csnbbs.com/thread-796347.html


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ACC MB thread(previously posted in another thread) discussing projected ACC tv deal revenue increases at http://csnbbs.com/thread-796347.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Conference realignment or stability has been based on growth of TV revenue specifically cable network revenue for the last couple decades. http://www.outkickthecoverage.com/espn- ... ory-102916

The ACC and to a great extent the Pac 12 and Big 12 stability will depend on ESPN turning the trend of losing cable subscribers around and back to growing the business. No company can continue to provide huge payouts with losing revenue. The ACC will be a good test if ESPN can improve this trend in markets that are not necessarily similar to the Big Ten and SEC.

The Big Ten only signed new contracts out for six years which indicate the networks such as ESPN are not willing to provide long term investments without having a good handle or the net returns.

The ACC GOR were signed based on getting a network and the true test will be how these markets support the new network. Will it become and SECN success story or will it become a LHN. Will ESPN be able to chance the business plan to promote growth and not continue to lose cable subscribers.

The NFL Monday night football on ESPN will be a good indicator if we are closing on the bubble that has created all this wealth with bundling items and having customer pay for something they do not want or care about watching.

The NBA based on this article is especially interesting with percentage of fans paying for some of the NBA contract without watching the sport.

Last night the World Series games in baseball were available to anyone in most of the USA with a simple only fashion antenna.

The ACC and Pac 12 networks will be especially important to watch over the next few years if those networks can compete with the BTN and SECN and if the BTN and SECN will continue to grow and support the huge profits that bundling business practices for cable have created in the past.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:19 pm 
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I think the first crack in the bubble is NFL Thursday Night Football.

It has been the ONLY live content on the NFL Network (which in many markets is on a premium tier).

About the only network that has less live content (that people might watch) than the NFL Network is the LHN Network.

A few years ago, the NFL realized that they could gain more revenue by selling rights to the Thursday Night games than restricting it to the NFL Network (which a lot of people don't get).

First they sold the Thanksgiving late game to NBC, so that NBC, Fox, and CBS each get a game on Thanksgiving. Nice new slug of revenue for the league.

Next they sold the first half of the year's worth of Thursday NFL games to CBS (I think CBS and Fox were given the opportunity to bid on them).
Another nice new slug of revenue for the league.

So now the number of live games exclusively on NFL network is reduced to perhaps 7-8 (second half of season on Thursday nights, and maybe a Saturday games around Christmas ?).

IF cable moves to a la carte, NOBODY is going to be willing to pay for the NFL Network. And they can realize more money by selling those other Thursday games to some network and shutting down NFLN. Anymore, NFLN just provides background noise in sports bars, with round-the-clock NFL Films (with John Facenda and the gridiron warriors on the frozen tundra of Lambeau Field...."


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I've seen a lot of people (but no ratings or numbers) saying that Red Zone is very much their delivery system. Especially those who've been playing Fantasy Sports (though those numbers are reportedly going down due to states cracking down on that industry).

Do we have numbers on Red Zone? Is it possible that NFL Network and Red Zone being wrapped into one would be economical for the league?


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Good point, Pounder.
I had forgotten about all those that get into the Fantasy stuff, and on-line betting as well.

The major leagues have embraced fantasy sports, since (among other things) it keeps a lot of fans in those cities with unsuccessful franchises involved and keeps their viewership up.

Also when the 2 big on-line betting sites (DraftKings and FanDuel) got going last year, I think I remember seeing that some of the major sports leagues
(MLB, NHL, NBA, not the NFL but some individual owners) actually had ownership stakes along with the TV networks that broadcast sports.
ABC/ESPN/Disney backed out due to the obvious potential for conflicts of interest arising.
Yet the other guys seem to have no problem with such ethical issues...


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I think the first crack in the bubble is NFL Thursday Night Football.

It has been the ONLY live content on the NFL Network (which in many markets is on a premium tier).

About the only network that has less live content (that people might watch) than the NFL Network is the LHN Network.

A few years ago, the NFL realized that they could gain more revenue by selling rights to the Thursday Night games than restricting it to the NFL Network (which a lot of people don't get).

First they sold the Thanksgiving late game to NBC, so that NBC, Fox, and CBS each get a game on Thanksgiving. Nice new slug of revenue for the league.

Next they sold the first half of the year's worth of Thursday NFL games to CBS (I think CBS and Fox were given the opportunity to bid on them).
Another nice new slug of revenue for the league.

So now the number of live games exclusively on NFL network is reduced to perhaps 7-8 (second half of season on Thursday nights, and maybe a Saturday games around Christmas ?).

IF cable moves to a la carte, NOBODY is going to be willing to pay for the NFL Network. And they can realize more money by selling those other Thursday games to some network and shutting down NFLN. Anymore, NFLN just provides background noise in sports bars, with round-the-clock NFL Films (with John Facenda and the gridiron warriors on the frozen tundra of Lambeau Field...."

tute, here is another article on discussion of rating declines in the NFL https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/seatt ... 33587.html

It probably does have something to do with spreading your product so thin by adding extra games on Thursday.

The issue has more to do with greed and its starting to hurt the networks that are pushing this type of traditional games onto fans and believe fans will just accept the change and be happy to simply watch sports.

Everyone laughed at the old Big East for trying out Thursday night football on ESPN many years ago because the Big East needed the exposure. Now we have the NFL intruding on college football adopted extra night of Thursday. College football traditionally is played on Saturday for many reasons that make the sport so special. Specifically many college football fans need to travel to their old college towns to watch the games.

NFL was a traditional Sunday sports and then TV pushed to extend the weekend to Monday night football which made some sense for fans. This was fine for traditional networking which most fans had access without necessarily having to pay for the cable subscriptions. ESPN tries to take advantage and jumps in a outbids the traditional networks because ESPN has to try a keep the bleeding from losing cable subscribers by adding something fans will have an interesting in watching.

Now we have college football encroaching on traditional Friday nights that have been traditional of high school football. The Big Ten is the latest power league with a need for greed to further impact sports by overlapping with the sport that produces the players for these power leagues. The Big Ten has to move to Friday to appease its new multi million dollar tier 1 contracts.

Did anyone ask the fans if they really wanted these type of changes? The answer is most likely no because the networks and the college conferences and the NFL have this sensational appetite for additional revenue.

What happens is the NFL is starting to lose fans, ESPN is bleeding cable subscribers on a monthly basis and the fans are stuck with changing traditions and having to adjust to something that did not necessarily ask or want.


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