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 Post subject: Re: SEC bias ?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 10:34 am 
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The professionals making the decisions don't concur with your barbershop- type UT fan views. I agree with the experts; while not perfect, are doing the job carefully.


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 Post subject: Re: SEC bias ?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 1:14 pm 
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louisvillecard01 wrote:
The professionals making the decisions don't concur with your barbershop- type UT fan views. I agree with the experts; while not perfect, are doing the job carefully.

Barbershop? And this has nothing to do with UT...but whatever. Happy Thanksgiving.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 10:12 am 
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I'm curious as to what the media perception of the SEC will be next season. The end of this season proved that the SEC is no longer above the rest. In week 14 they went 0-4 against the ACC and then they went 0-3 in the the New Years 6 bowl games with losses to Big Ten, ACC, and Big 12 foes.


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 Post subject: Re: SEC bias ?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2015 9:08 pm 
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The King has died.


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 Post subject: Re: SEC bias ?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 12:06 am 
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Gemofthehills wrote:
The King has died.

It's a start.

Still going to be hyped up but maybe this brings them back towards reality a bit.

Interesting hearing national pundits making the same arguments I've been making all year when discussing why the SEC "might" have been overrated.

Last 2 years they lost every BCS/playoff bowl 0-6. If they kick ass and win it all next year we'll be right back to where we started.

Let's see a preseason poll with some semblance of balance before declaring the King is dead.

That being said I can't talk too much as Arkansas whipped UT's ass pretty good.

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 Post subject: Re: SEC bias ?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 3:51 pm 
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Gemofthehills wrote:
The King has died.

Didn't you say earlier you were in Alabama; maybe not originally from Alabama, and don't recall whether you are an Alabama fan or not?
Not sure you were referencing Alabama or the SEC or both.
The SEC-west was a meltdown, no doubt about it. The two west teams that won their bowl games were the two lowest ranked. The much maligned SEC-east, all won their bowl games. What this indicates is that the allegedly top SEC teams--the Alabama and Mississippi schools, and LSU somewhat, performed less than expected. Ole Miss was the one not favored going in, but got routed by TCU---maybe indeed one of the four best. While ending with a 7-5 bowl record doesn't on surface look so bad; it does look real bad when all the highly ranked ones fell.
As to Alabama, they deserved to lose, wish it was to someone other than Urban Myer though. I grew sick of all the Paul Feinbaums' (SECnetwork) and their call-ins' (from your Alabama :) ) with Phyllis, Tammy, Dave, whatever their names, shrieking and screeming Alabama along with Auburn rants; classless, but certainly appeals to a certain segment. OK, that gets some folks to tune in, but does it all need to be about the Alabama duo? These commentators will diss other SEC coaches, players, and schools, while praising, metaphorically, how Nick Saban walked on water. And of course, blame Lane Kiffin for the loss. Other SEC school Presidents, ADs', and PR representatives, need to inject themselves into what is going on with their network. Some demand for equity is missing, and bigtime money and related factors are involved. It need not be the Crimson Tide Propaganda Network and Paul Feinbaum is their Josef Goebbels. The network has been great with games, but having the CCG and the playoff game round-tabled for play-by-play analysis by 'Bama advocates was so over the top. If they are going to do this, at least have a panel of ex-coaches not associated with Alabama. What has happened, a conference network has been hijacked by basically one school and state.
My suprise in all this: Georgia. They can beat Mizzou 34-0, lose to SC, UF and GT (OT, but an excellent team), and have an impressive bowl game. With otherwise an awesome team, Mark Richt manages to do two or three jaw droppers each season.
South Carolina -- a defensive line that thought standing there and reaching one arm out is suppose to be tackling.
Schools that do especially well early can become vulnerable. Opposition figures out weaknesses. Fatigue, motivational decline, injuries, weather, luck, etc. impact everywhere. Early polling is not an outcome, and all of it has debatable measures throughout the process. 18 and 19 yearolds can do stupid blunders, and expectations shall get tested. Much of this is a reflection of a collection of individual schools as opposed to a particular conference's design and strategy. Up and downs happen from within as well.
The SEC has not fallen apart though. Outside of Kentucky (who really didn't play bad ball) and Vandy, they were loaded with good teams---not spectacular ones this year. And losses to ACC rivalries were from the down east. Clemson, GT, Louisville, and FSU all had great seasons. Anyone watch Clemson handle Oklahoma? Good for the ACC---awhile coming!
As conveyed earlier, the SEC-west would beat up on each other. But that's no excuse for not getting the job done in post season play.
I believe the selection committee got it basically right. However, TCU made a darn good statement. At least it resolved they were more deserving than Baylor. Being suspect of then undefeated FSU proved to be somewhat valid. And keep in mind, Ohio State was a team that got better and better and peaked at seasons-end. Losing to VPI early, overtime with Penn State, and a couple of other blah games, certainly didn't make Ohio State look particularly formidable early. But that's a school with depth. And more than one Big 10 school showed it. That's why how schools are performing at the end of the season and in CCGs' are so important and what may count most. As to Oregon they were up there all season long, and stayed consistent.
SEC detractors may gloat. But frankly, getting successfully challenged is a good thing. It proves good recruits are not all in the south.
Pollsters and media can have an affection for big names and the previous year(s') success. That does reflect early on. But still, all of it has to play out.
One thing Muskie you said in some earlier posts you may need to consider. It's about the location of bowl games. That has to do alot with weather and tradition. Who really wants to go to Detroit or someplace like it in late December early January? While ther Pinstripe Bowl (PSU-BC) was well attended, that was in NYC and Penn State fans follow. Otherwise, Florida, Southern California, New Orleans, Texas and Arizona, offer the more abundance of sunshine and perhaps outside entertainment. Who wants to go to a bowl game in a snowstorn, ice, or during an early arctic blast?


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 Post subject: Re: SEC bias ?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 5:32 pm 
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there is a syndrome called "group-think". A lot of people trapped in a room together that have blinders on (watching SEC football,
where there are not enough OOC games vs. top teams from other conferences) will convince themselves that they are the best.
There is not enough evidnece to the contrary. The SEC West plays a few OOC games vs. Sun-Belt teams, etc.
So there is little basis for comparison of which conference is better than the others.

SEC pays their coaches top dollar. SEC gets far more than their share of 4- and 5-star recruits.
SEC has performed VERY WELL in NC game over the past decade.

So some automatically conclude this will continue forever.

One of the problems a team like Alabama faces is having to keep the team highly motivated.
Every decent team they face comes into the game "higher than a kite" (full of adrenaline to give everything they have to beat Alabama).
Can Saban get his players up week after week ? No. The team has to be self-motivated, and an occasional let-down is normal.

OSU is among a half-dozen teams in the OSU that can match up athletically with Alabama.
They played with confidence and the coaching staff did a marvelous job of preparing their 3rd-string QB.
(OK, Braxton miller was out since August, so this guy Cardale was probably getting some reps as J.T. Barrett's back-up all year long).
But he's 2-0, starting only in the B1G CCG and the national Semi-Final game. Impresisve coaching job.


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 Post subject: Re: SEC bias ?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:29 am 
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A native of Alabama but not a UAT or Auburn fan.

The PF show on ESPN is the same show which was in Birmingham with local "typical" fans of the two SEC schools. Paul is entertaining to some and is very good at exploiting people. The SEC,as the state of Alabama, has let UAT run the show for my entire life.

UAT is a very talented team but in my opinion very poorly coached on defense and OL.


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 Post subject: Re: SEC bias ?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 10:21 pm 
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Thanks for sharing this interesting thread friend. I like almost all sec teams out there but Florida Gators is one of my top favourites. They are just wonderful and their game strategy is totally unique and impressive.


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