really, really would be shocked to see NC State abandon the other ACC NC schools, no matter how attractive their FB program would look in another conf.
GunnerFan: That's why I said I wasn't sure which way NCState would go. If they do go, then Virginia and Maryland do as well, I suppose. If they stay, so do Maryland and Virginia. Not because of any special loyalty to NCState, but because the number of teams left gets critically small (5) without them and teams leave to cover their butts.
Rather than joining the ACC, Miami and the Big East football schools split to form a new all-sports conference
orangefan: I agree that the BigEast splits, but that doesn't necessarally mean that ALL 8 football schools (9 if you count Temple) would form the new conference. For example, what does a BCS conference with options for picking teams need Rutgers or Temple for? Neither one commands even a small fraction of their potential TV market. I mean, if you can't swim, do you really brag about how big your pool is?
Also, I notice that you and others include Louisville in your vision. Someone please explain to me why a conference completely made up of teams on the eastern seaboard needs a team in western Kentucky? They can get to 12 well before exhausting the good teams on the coast - so why go so far west?
Don't get me wrong - Louisville is a good football team - but in a conference with Miami, FlaState (both with recent multiple national championships), as well as Va-Tech (who played for one recently); does another "good" team really mean that much?
I also am aware that Louisville has had a good basketball program (currently rebuilding) with 2 national championship about 2 decades ago, but in a conference with Syracuse and UConn (both with recent national championships), as well as Pitt, BC, and other good basketball programs - do they need Louisville?
DogsNthingys (it keeps changing your name to this when I go to post - I didn't) says
To suggest that South Carolina would belittle itself to be again apart of the North Carolina 4 is ridiculous. There is a history there, and it matters, and some (Nert) may not be aware of it.
DogsNthingys: I wouldn't suggest that they would leave a full BCS conference like the SEC for a basketball only (or at least a non-BCS) conference, but I'm trying to build in the rumors that the SEC may eject 3-4 teams (Vanderbilt, SoCarolina and Arkansas or MissState) to add other teams form the Big12. It's not the most likely scenario, I know - but if it happened, SoCarolina wouldn't get an invite to this new FB oriented conference and would have few other viable options. That's why I listed so many options - just a pool of who may be available to build a conference with.
the new conference will then add west virginia, conn, ecu (just to tick off the acc) and marshall. ul and uc (the popular theories) stretch the conference too far in land
EMUHuron: I can't see ECU getting even a look at, and Marshall is too weak in too many other ways (market, basketball) to bother adding them (see my arguments against adding a good Louisville football team). It just doesn't add enough to bother.
Big-East Alliance football on the waythe current 8 football 1A members plus 4 of the following ND,PSU,Louisville,Cinncinnati,Memphis,SFla or GaTech or Fla St.
NotreDame and PennSt are not going to join the BigEast - even with FlaState, Clemson and Ga-Tech.
Ga-Tech and FlaState (and Clemson - which is strictly preferrable to Cincinnati, Louisville, USF or Memphis) would join Miami and some of the BigEast FB schools (Miami, Syracuse, BC, Pitt, Va-Tech, UConn, WestVirginia) - but why join all of them (i.e. why include Temple and Rutgers)? If you're already leaving the BigEast (the BB/FB split), why not start from scratch with teams that actually contribute something?
The 7 BigEast schools with the 3 ACC ones already gives you 10 teams - the other two could be anybody and almost anybody would say "yes". They can afford to be choosier than settling for Cincinnati and Louisville - even approaching ACC schools (Virginia, Maryland, NCState) again or a SEC school like SoCarolina.
Also, with Miami and FlaState - they don't need USF at all.
Don't you think your new superfootball conference would want the 100 million viewing media market (NYC-Philly) that Rutgers and Temple would offer? I can't see the BCS leaving out all of the North Carolina schools.
scarletdude: If Rutgers and Temple actually offered those markets (NYC and Philly), then yes, you would have to keep them. But they don't even scratch at the surface of those markets.
Also, what do the North Carolina schools offer to the BCS? The BCS is just a football designation (not FB and BB) and all 4 of the North Carolina schools are non-factors on the national scene in football.