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 Post subject: ACC Divisions
PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2003 7:41 am 
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Not sure why the ACC is having so much trouble coming up with division proposals. Assuming Miami, Syracuse and BC, here's my suggestion.

Football:

American: Miami, FSU, UNC, Duke, NC St., Wake
National: Clemson, Ga.Tech, Maryland, Virginia, BC, Syracuse

This approach gives the Miami-FSU winner a clear shot at the title game with a credible opponent on the other side - critical to maximize TV money.

Basketball:
North: Syracuse, BC, Virginia, Maryland
South: Clemson, FSU, Ga.Tech, Miami
Big 4: UNC, Duke, Wake, NC St.

Play double round robin within the division, single round robin outside. NC schools preserve their rivalries.

This approach works with any other choices as well, e.g. Va.Tech.


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 Post subject: ACC Divisions
PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2003 8:07 pm 
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Having different divisional alignments with respect to football and basketball would only lead to further confusion regarding the issues of rivalry continuity. Sort of reminds of when the 16-team WAC employed the "pod" concept whereby 4-team pods rotated divisions every four years.

Also, no conference in their right mind should use a 3-division setup for basketball, especially if there are "only" 12-teams. When C-USA was founded, there Red, White, and Blue Divisions. One of the divisions featured Houston, Southern Missisippi, Tulane and and either USF or UAB. It was a terrible concept that was quickly scrapped as said division was nowhere near as competitive as the other two, which would also undoubtedly happen in proposed "ACC South," a basketball division of football-first institutions.


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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2003 11:04 am 
The Big XII found it in the best interest of their basketball teams to have one division for BB and it seems to be working well. That means 22 conference games. The ACC could still play important intersectional games and tournaments. They just will have to stop playing N.C. A&T, Coppin State, and the Little Sisters of the Poor in November and December. If 22 is too many conference games, they could work out another schedule.


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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2003 12:00 pm 
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The Big XII found it in the best interest of their basketball teams to have one division for BB and it seems to be working well. That means 22 conference games.


I'm not sure what you're taking about.
The Big 12 have played only 16 conference games every year, including this one.

Their BB divisions are just like the FB divisions and each team plays their 5 divisional foes twice and other 6 only once.

http://www.texassports.com/mainpages/mbb_pages/2002_03/000stats/BIG12STATS.HTM


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 Post subject: ACC Divisions
PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2003 7:56 pm 
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The difference between the SEC and Big XII re: divisions is divisions determine who plays who in the conference tournament in the SEC, whereas that is not the case in the Big XII.

Although balance is an issue, the Big XII system is better because the third best team in the South might be better (and more worthy of a bye) than the second best team in the North.


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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2003 9:23 pm 
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I got it from here:
http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Theater/8511/BigXIIbbStandings.html


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 Post subject: ACC Divisions
PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2003 7:22 am 
I've made this proposal on some of the ACC boards, and it's been received pretty well:

For football

NORTH
Boston College
Duke
Maryland
North Carolina
Syracuse
Virginia

SOUTH
Clemson
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Miami
North Carolina State
Wake Forest

Teams play an 8-game conference schedule, 5 in division, 3 outside. Duke and UNC would be guaranteed annual games with NCS and Wake (a la Tennessee-Alabama and Georgia-Auburn in the SEC), and Miami would get annual games vs. BC and Syracuse. The remaining cross-division games would be rotated.

UNC and Duke go into the North because UVa has a century-old football rivalry with UNC that is a big thing in Charlottesville.

For men's and women's basketball

One division, as in the Big 12, or three. If the latter, it goes like this:

NORTH
Boston College
Maryland
Syracuse
Virginia

CENTRAL
Duke
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Wake Forest

SOUTH
Clemson
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Miami

Under either plan, there would be an 18-game schedule: 6 games vs. your division (whether real or de facto), and 6 vs. each of the other two divisions (2 games vs. 2 teams, 1 game vs. the other 2). Pairings rotate so every team has three home and three away games against everyone outside your division over a four-year span.

This guarantees the traditional "Big 4" games -- rivalries that not only predate the ACC, but the Southern Conference -- and causes minimal damage to other series like Maryland-Duke (which is big now, but 30 years ago, Maryland's big ACC rival was N.C. State. Things are cyclical.)

If a 3-division setup was created, each division champion and the wild card with the best record would get first-round byes for the conference tournament. Some have argued this would give the champion of a weak division (probably the South) a status it didn't deserve; if this were adopted, I might ensure that if the wild card winner has a better record than a division champ, it would get the higher seed. However, I'm more concerned with equitable scheduling and the preservation of rivalries, so I can live with one division rather than three. In my mind, the two-division setup mandated for football by the NCAA won't work in ACC hoops.


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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2003 12:04 pm 
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Just do it like this:

East: BC, Miami, UNC, Duke, Wake Forest, N.C. State
West: FSU, U.Va., Syracuse, Georgia Tech, Maryland, Clemson


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 Post subject: ACC Divisions
PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2003 3:00 pm 
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Just do it like this:

East: BC, Miami, UNC, Duke, Wake Forest, N.C. State
West: FSU, U.Va., Syracuse, Georgia Tech, Maryland, Clemson


Doubt if that one is going to happen. The one that I have heard the most is:

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NC 4
Maryland
Virginia

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Miami
GT
FSU
Clemson
BC
Syracuse


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 Post subject: ACC Divisions
PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2003 8:18 am 
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ATL radio suggests that the divisions would be different for bball to preserve the old ACC guard with NC4, Virginia and Maryland in the same division.

Divisions for all other sports would be geographically based:

North - 'Cuse, BC, Maryland, Virginia, NCS, Wake
South - Miami, FSU, GT, Clemson, Duke, UNC

However... Once the idea of expansion is a done deal, the likes of Maryland and Virginia may be more open to playing apart from the NC 4 knwing that a) the loss of one home game with Duke or UNC (You know it won't be both) will be replaced by 'Cuse or BC, which ain't bad, and b) they may be better off competitively in that division now that Prosser is staying and Williams is at UNC. Just an idea.


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