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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 6:47 pm 
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It has been a while since we discussed the names ACC should use for the two football divisions that will begin in either 2005 or 2006 depending on when BC will be able to join.

Well less have some fun with the geogrphically challeged ACC due to unbalanced football strength.

Since the ACC does not plan to use geographical names similar to most conferences, how about Hurricane and Seminole divisions!.





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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 1:46 pm 
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How about North (Florida) and South (Florida)?!


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 3:45 pm 
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Gunnerfan, like it!






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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 6:56 am 
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how about the ACC Division and the Big East Division....borrowing a page from the NFL's NFC and AFC.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:40 pm 
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They should be this:

North Division
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Boston College/Temple
Maryland
North Carolina State
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest

South
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Clemson
Duke
Florida State
Georgia Tech
North Carolina
Miami

It is split up pretty even IMO. To have a strong conference you need all the teams to be strong. Having 2 Florida State-Miami games a year will not make the conference strong.

Also did you see on ESPN where they think the ACC is stronger in football than the SEC and Big 12 ::)


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:46 am 
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ESPN has got to do something to entise interest in ACC football to make up for all that cash in the TV contact.

If anyone really believe the ACC has become stronger than the SEC and Big 12, we all need some of that stuff that ESPN is smoking. Problem is its an ESPN smoke screen.

ESPN and ABC stands to lose with the ACC contract if the ACC does not step up in football. Lots of pressure on Miami and Va Tech as well as the originial 9 members to bring the ACC up to SEC football standards.



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 11:10 am 
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Agreed, Lash. I'm hoping the conference will review the alignment after two years, just as they've said. Then any stance on why the divisions would be one way or the other would have to be revealed.

Hopefully the TV wonks will realize this as well. Your point about the conference needing to step would be better suported, I feel, if Miami and FSU couldn't meet in the championship game. People can grow tired of rematches, and what better way to enthuse the other schools and their fans by having them participate in such a game. It's safe to say the likes of VT, UVA, UM, UNC and NCS would sell out their shares of championship game tickets if given the chance. Ugh.



How about the Osceola and Ibis divisions? ;D


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 6:23 pm 
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Gunnerfan, good to know the ACC will review division alignment in 2 years.

I think the ACC needs to keep a true geographical alignment and let Miami and FSU kill each other off in the regular season.

Why should Miami/FSU deserve a rematch when GA/Fla or Auburn/Alabama dont get one in the SEC.

North: BC, Maryland, Virginia, Va Tech, Duke, NC

South: Miami, FSU, Ga Tech, Clemson, Wake, NC State

If the ACC really wants to gain respect as a 12 team conference, this type of alignment is going to have to work.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 3:20 pm 
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The casual fan is not going to get tired of seeing the same teams, Miami and FSU, in the title game every year, because that's exactly what the casual fan wants. The casual fan wants to see Michigan and OSU play for the Big Ten title every year, they want to see Nebraska play Oklahoma or Texas for the Big 12 title every year, they want to see Georgia or Florida playing Alabama or LSU in the SEC. The casual fan does NOT want to see these conferences decided by Mississippi State-Vanderbilt or Iowa State-Baylor or Indiana-Minnesota. If that ever happens, the game will have lower TV ratings than round one of a celebrity poker tournament.

Anyway, there are many possibilities. Even if you insist on a geographic split, you could make it east-west instead of north-south. Then you'd actually have a pretty decent balance for football:

East
BC
UMd
UNC
NCSU
Dook
Miami

West
UVa
VT
Wake
Clemson
GT
FSU


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 11:47 am 
Part of the reason the ACC did not go with a north-south type divisions is due to stronger emphasis, in general, on football for those schools in the deep southern region of the ACC. However, there is also another major reason: The State of North Carolina which is in the middle of the ACC, has 4 schools in the conference which are close together, and for the most part, have a preference to play each other.
In the ACC divisions adapted, each North Carolina school has a permanent member in its division, plus a North Carolina team as a permanent opponent in the other division. So, of the four, each is playing at least two others in the State for fb. True, something similar could be developed with a north-south division.
Another reason for the ACC's divsional format, is to maximize integration, since there are three new members. At the same time, the ACC tried to balance travel, knowing that the "centrally" located schools had a real advantage in travel costs. The geographic extremes, BC and Miami, were not placed in the same division, and the conference tried to employ some fairness in terms of respecting distance between and among members as well as accommodating each school's most intense rival in scheduling. As far as the Miami-FSU situation, other schools will have to step up to the plate in due time.
When the SEC added Arkansas and South Carolina and created two divisions, they tried, and successfully, to enhance the bonding of the geographic extremes of the conference. While the east-west divisions are fairly distinct, the permanent football opponents in the other division sought to help address the factor. Therefore, South Carolina in the east, plays regularly, Arkansas in the west (maybe the two newest members did have less of a say at the time). The SEC had revised from two to one, permanent opponents for each school between divisions. The inter-divisional permanent opponents in the SEC are: So. Carolina - Arkansas, Georgia -Auburn, Tennessee - Alabama, Kentucky - Mississippi State, Vanderbilt - Mississippi, and Florida - LSU.
With the ACC's geographic make-up, it should not be assumed that the models that work for the Big 12 or the SEC, would function best for the ACC.
Let's see if the ACC does indeed revise its divisions in a couple of years. For now, their model seems to be appropriate considering the factors of geographic balance, team strengths, and political variables. While the ACC made some unusual decisions during the past year or so, their divisional scheme looks as if considerable and compromising thought was involved.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 6:53 pm 
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How about this? :D

CHEATERS
Miami
FSU
Va.Tech
Va.
Ga.Tech
Clemson

LOSERS
Duke
Wake Forest
BC
Maryland
UNC
NCSU



....just for fun....


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 9:45 am 
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...also just for fun...

Cheaters and Losers? I'm sure at least one of those is already taken by a neighboring conference.

And as I seem to have missed it, how did GT and UVA end up on the Cheaters side?


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 6:15 pm 
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TOBACCO ROAD DIV.
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NCST
NC
WAKE
DUKE

OUTSIDERS DIV.
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ALL THE OTHERS

LASH/CHUCK
HOW'VE YOU BEEN? JUST BACK FROM MAINE.
CAN'T WAIT UNTIL SEPT. 6TH MIAMI/FSU IN THE OB
THAT IS UNLESS HURRICANE FANCIS HITS THE
THE S.E. FLA. COAST.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 6:53 pm 
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Mooseheadcane, great to hear from you! Hope all was well in your vacation in Maine this year.

Things will be quite a bit different in the Miami/FSU game this year. Lots at stake.

Next year, the stakes may ease somewhat with a championship game, however, this year the loser will probably not have much chance of reaching the Orange Bowl.

I assume you are going to the game. Wide right comes to mind. Enjoy!

Take Care!


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 10:08 pm 
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...also just for fun...

Cheaters and Losers? I'm sure at least one of those is already taken by a neighboring conference.

And as I seem to have missed it, how did GT and UVA end up on the Cheaters side?


It was off the cuff and I couldn't distinguish the proper place for some without a reference!! You're didn't like it 'cause you're a 'jacket fan! ;D


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