Sportsgeog, I am the last person to beat up on BE officials. The BE has two entities to satisfy and thus we have Depaul and Marquette. Yes the BE officials are more in touch with the conference than ever because they have to be after the actions of the ACC last summer. It is much more difficult to deal with two conference in one than a conference trying to expand to reach a desirable number.
If there were no chance or concern that Syracuse, UConn and Pitt would leave someday, you think Depaul and Marquette would have been invitied.
Yes, the BE officials have their work cut out don't they? Granted they are trying to satisfy two divergent needs in order to prevent a future realignment in the future, which is important when making expansion and realignment plans in the moment that you make them -- that is what future realignments and spin-offs could occur if we select certain teams that may compell them in another direction, in another conference and take some other teams with them? I've made this point before regarding this potential before and I'll mention it again later in this post. I still think it is possible that the 16-team confederation could work, otherwise why would they do it if they thought it might just break-away later on? Wouldn't they be just delaying the inevitable, if they didn't think it could work? The WAC didn't do too well by experimenting. If they felt this split, maybe they should have broke away now, instead of waiting. So maybe they see something that looks formidable to work, that is different than the WAC-16.
First of all do not want to appear to be pushing Memphis as I have no ties to that school. However less use Memphis as a example for future BE expansion to 10 football members.
Who cares what people in east Tennessee are watching because we all know they are watching burnt orange.
Expanding with Memphis would provide the Memphis market. The SEC has CBS and ABC needs to select teams to televise in the Memphis market. Would Memphis fans care about any other conference after the SEC. ABC may try to force a conference into the Memphis market, however, this is getting difficult as fans will just turn to another station to view a team that want to see.
Now that were past football,
I don't think we are past football. I don't think ABC would be interested in the Memphis market period, if they don't have the SEC. They probably just concede it to CBS. They are not going to pick up many viewers by taking Memphis, or for that matter Cincinnati. They may pick up some in Louisville. By going more into these footprints, the major networks wouldn't see them as major markets, because they are not out front. If Memphis' market is part of the viewers of a 1.5 million market, ABC will go, "we concede this to CBS and concentrate on the other 4 BCS conferences". If they are present in an area where they are more clearly out-front, and had more market potential for viewers, then the big networks would be interested. The Big East is a cable conference, and will continue to be until they embrace more of their own footprint. The ABC would concede Memphis and all other "tucked under" markets in the SEC footprint to CBS, and the Memphis ABC station would simply broadcast a Big 10 or Big 12 or ACC game.
One thing is for sure, the Big East as a broadcast region already has this problem in the Cincy and Louisville markets, as ABC does the Big 10 on those ABC stations. Memphis deep in the SEC territory isn't going to bring ABC to the Big East either and the Louisville/Cincy thing is already a barrier for ABC in the Big East.
If the BE wants a major network they have to look to expand in their footprint. Otherwise they are a cable network conference -- which will seemingly become Mid-week-games conference -- an "Omen of a Mid-Major".
how may western Tenn fans care more about Memphis or Tennessee basketball. Actually Arkansas may have a stake here. Miss schools dont evey play basketball (decent) so the issue is probably between Memphis and the UT. My bet would be on Memphis.
You're forgetting that Mississippi State was the dominant team the last few years in the SEC West. They were 26-4 last year, and have been dominating recently. DogsNC@cks already pointed out that Miss State goes to the Memphis market. My bet would be three, Memphis, UT, and MSU.
Lets cut to chace and compare UMass to Memphis as BE expansion candiates using both for all sports. Let set some rules that you can only look to the next five years as the BE will make an assumed decision on splitting at that time. We can not use NE footprint as an argument.
Why can't I use it as an argument? This here is a fair question. The NE footprint is part of my reasoning.
If the BE split would the football conference take on an expansion team that is trying to upgrade to 1A? probably not unless there were some serious financial backing guaranteed!
Who says that UMass or any other 1-AA team is the only option for the NE footprint? Click backwards and look at my listing of potential schools and why. I laid out 3 options. I have a 2010 model that includes taking 2 NE teams, which are Marshall and Temple, and I have explained the reasoning as to why, which includes the NE footprint.
Would the BE want to expand into the heart of the SEC and pick up an urban school and its potential market. not sure as this could be a risk?
They may make that choice, but from a media, market and coverage standpoint, they would be burying themselves further in someone else's footprint, and potentially drift into taking on the character of a mid-major.
Summary: if the BE were to split in five years, UMass would be a good choice if the school had financial backing to upgrade to 1A. If smaller states like WVU can upgrade facilities with private donations, surely there is capital in Mass private sector to accomplish this.
UMass isn't the only choice in 5 years. ^See above. Yes, if UMass would do that, then that would be a potential good choice for BE expansion.
Otherwise without this financial backing, the BE would be better to look else where for potential canidates.
Not necessarily. Their other choice is simply not to expand at all in 5 years, and wait until the right candidate and timing is right.
Okay, here again is what I pointed out before. You're concerned about the potential of the BE-16 bball league splitting and the need to satisfy two potential divergent needs of the conference. Fball members and bball members. We've already had something like this satisfying of divergent needs in the fball or allsports type conference, only a geographic issue --> Yes its that dreaded "W" acronym with changing hyphenated numbers --> Here it is again --> The WAC-16, then the WAC-8, with "Texas/East Wing" and the "Cali-West-Wing", and the-need-for-something-in-the-"middle"-but-can't-as-we-got-to-feed-the-east-and-west-wings-with-more-teams-as-other-team s-leave-type-thing --> TCU leaves to CUSA, then we need to add teams so we take one for the "East" and one for the "West" --> But wait, CUSA takes almost our entire Texas/East wing.
This is what I am getting at. When you make the expansion decision, the BE (or for that matter any conference), needs to pay attention to what potentially might happen if you grow a geographic wing of your conference more, by taking in a team that fits in the mold of that wing only and not necessarily the whole conference. Well, you may be setting up the possibility of that entire geographic wing being pulled backed into another realignment and the whole wing leaves the conference as they are a "strong bonded and identify with each other group" that they take a seemingly better opportunity when it comes along. You could end up just losing that entire wing that you just grew.
I said this before but I called it a conference amoeba splitting into two amoeba of that conference, and then one of the amoebas drifts away to form a bond with aother conference's amoeba, and the originally amoeba ends up lacking nourishment and possibly faces perishment. I am saying its a risk to grow into another character, as later that other character of the conference may not want to stick with it and leave for another character that seemingly provides a better opportunity and that they identify with better.
The BE needs to maintain its NE character for this reason, and that and the media and coverage and following issues make the NE footprint important.