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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 6:06 am 
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I know Temple has had another horrendous year but last week they beat Syracuse for a Big East Conference victory and I was wondering if they will be allowed to stay in the BIG EAST or will they move to a different conference or go INDEPENDENT? Do any of you have any information on their plans.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 8:33 am 
I don't know who they're trying to fool by being DIA in football, but if they would simply join the A10 football conference they could be a national contender in DIAA.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 11:01 am 
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There is no way Temple comes back to the under the current makeup of the league (16 teams/8 FB only). TU is undergoing an internal assessment of what to do with their FB program.

I think TU will stay indepedent for a few years. They will wait to see what happens to the BE. IF the BE breaks apart, they will do what they can to get back in as a full member.

There only other hope for membership is teh MAC. However, their BB program wants to stay in the A-10, so it will be interesting to see if he MAC lets them in as a FB-only member.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 11:04 am 
Their BB programs have had a lot of success in the A10. That's not going to change.

I say they simply drop football.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 12:48 pm 
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If the BE splits then they could be back in. Especially if the league adds Marshall for football and Temple for basketball. Both would be in both sports, but simply cancel each other out.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 1:59 pm 
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Temple is slated to become in independent in '05. The MAC has been hesitant to admit Temple for football only and looking at temples future schedule, there might be no reason to join a non-BCS conference.

All eyes are pointed towards 2010, when the Big East could be splitting from the monsterous 16 team format. Temple will be in a good position to re-join the Big East football members in an all-sports conference as they will be looking to replace Villanova with a new Philadelphia market school. Villanova has been the most vocal against adding Temple for all-sports. If you recall in 1994, Rutgers and WVU left the A10 to join the Big East for all-sports. Temple was not invited, despite being in the Big East football conference since it's inception.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 2:03 pm 
What would non-footbal sports, esp. basketball, at Temple gain from joining the Big East?

The competition in the BE is obviously hard, but you get the same automatic bid to the big dance as you do for winning the A10. Why move when they've had years of sucess with the A10?


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 2:30 pm 
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Don't forgot that Temple has an agreement to play ACC schools for the next few years in football. I think Temple will be back in the Big East especially when they split. Philadelphia market is too valuable for the Big East. Look for them and Marshall to be the two members of the Big East.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 3:18 pm 
Am I speaking in a foreign language?

The A10 is easier than the BE for Temple to win. Both conference have the same bid to the same march NCAA tournament.

Why would any school join a harder conference when you can get the same bid?


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Bisonfan, I understand what you are saying and the difference always has and always will be major verses mid major status in sports.

Big East is top dog in the east for basketball and commands most of the TV attention and bottom line makes more money.

Granted the A10 is not a bad league, however, the BE makes far more money in basketball and thats the reason Penn State wanted in the Big East, WVU and Rutgers are in the Big East, and Temple would jump at the chance to be in the Big East if invited.

Perception is every think to college sports that impacts requiting, TV contracts. The reason we have the BCS?



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 6:56 pm 
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The goal would be to find a home for it's football program, a BCS home. The A10 doesn't offer that.

And "ease" of a tourney bid is not an issue. If it were, wouldn't some of the CUSA schools who are joining the Big East stick around? No.

Besides, there will be less teams in the new Big East post-split, making it EASIER to get a basketball tourney bid:


UConn
Syracuse
Rutgers
Pitt
WVU
Louisville
Cincinnati
South Florida
Temple


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 7:38 pm 
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If they split, the strongest basketball schools would be the fb schools. :)


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:43 pm 
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The goal would be to find a home for it's football program, a BCS home. The A10 doesn't offer that.

And "ease" of a tourney bid is not an issue. If it were, wouldn't some of the CUSA schools who are joining the Big East stick around? No.

Besides, there will be less teams in the new Big East post-split, making it EASIER to get a basketball tourney bid:


UConn
Syracuse
Rutgers
Pitt
WVU
Louisville
Cincinnati
South Florida
Temple



Add Marshall, Army and Navy, swap WVU for BC and you have a decent FB league and a strong hoops lineup. At least that's the way I would do it.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:46 pm 
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If they split, the strongest basketball schools would be the fb schools. :)


I agree with this, but the basketball schools still would have clout within the NCAA, especially if Notre Dame stays with the group and they add teams like Dayton, St. Joe's, Xavier and an undecided 12th school (That school would be either St. Louis or Detroit).

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:19 pm 
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If they split, the strongest basketball schools would be the fb schools. :)



The remainign schools would still makeup one of the strognest conferences in the country:

Providence
St. Johns
Seton Hall
Villanova
Georgetown
Notre Dame
DePaul
Marquette


Villanova would block any St. Joes additions.

There might be no need to expand any further...all it would do is split the conference revenues by more schools.

So if schools were invited, it would be to increase the market footprint.

Likely candidate:
Xavier (to replace Cincinnati and bridge the East coast schools to Notre Dame, Depaul and Marquette)

Others:

If they ever wanted to expand to 10-12:

St. Louis (expand into Big XII territory)
Charlotte (right in the heart of ACC country)
Richmond (partner for GT and same situation as Charlotte)
Dayton (great program and support, but very close to Xavier)

Long Shot:
Umass (to replace BC and give Prov. a travel partner)
St. Joes (would Villanova let it happen? Probably not)

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