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 Post subject: Tiger Shark 2 Is Right!
PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 11:14 am 
Which NBC is not going to renew anyway.


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 Post subject: Tiger Shark 2 Is Right!
PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 11:16 am 
Div 1:

Minnesota
Wisconsin
Iowa
Notre Dame
Indiana
Purdue

Div 2:
Penn State
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State]
Illinois
Northwestern


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 Post subject: Tiger Shark 2 Is Right!
PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 12:10 pm 
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Regarding The possible B10 + ND scenarios/fantasies:

a) The problem with the above alignments is the "imbalance" of traditional superpowers in one division. Check earlier posts from the B10/B12/SEC threads and you'll see a developed consensus from knowledgable B10 fans that outlined a more likely alignment featuring Michigan and Ohio State in one division and Penn St. and ND in the other. They wouldn't want Michigan and OSU meeting in their end-of-season classic only to meet the next week for the conference title, nor do they want 3 or 4 of those most media friendly teams to fight for a division title only to turn around and play Minnesota. Best to have a PSU/ND tilt immediately following Michigan-OSU and hope that both games play a serious role in deciding the conf. championship participants.

b) The NBC contract actually stands to improve based on any conditions established with the approval of the permanent 12 game season. In their effort to escape true road games, ND has publicly said they're seeking to establish 1-2 games a year in large cities for "neutral site" contests, one of them to be the Meadowlands/NYC on a permanent basis against a BE or northeastern team. In all liklihood these will be games picked up by NBC against opponents not otherwise extremely marketable on their own. While there's a long time between now and when these conditions will be established NBC already has ND locked up for another 5-7 years.

c) ND has in all liklihood secured an annual sum of money from the BCS. In return for having their BCS payout (should they make a BCS bowl) drop from the full-conference share of roughly $15 mil to that of a second conference representative of roughly $4 mil, ND will recieve an annual stipend similar to the share provided to each BCS member school, approximately $.7 - $1.2 mil per year. I'm certain the conferences could've mgotten away without having to do this, but as with the political events of a year or two ago they opted for the simplest, most media friendly solution. Either way, it's an act that solidifies ND's viability to remain independent in football.

d) In lieu of the mandate for a playoff, ND won't seek B10 affiliation until that proves to be the best move financially. For any shot at that happening they must be removed from the BE and aligned with the non-football schools for other sports. Even then that conference might warrant a large enough basketball contract to minimize any losses in revenue and again allow the Irish to remain independent.

The only other act that could force their hand would be for the B10 schools (and other national powers) to drop ND from their schedule. That would be one tough call to make for the Wolverines, Spartans and others.


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 Post subject: Tiger Shark 2 Is Right!
PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 6:45 pm 
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I still believe that Notre Dame will be in the Big Ten eventually. Also these division alingments are good for basketball as well as football. Also lately Wisconsin and Iowa have rose above the "big name" schools of Penn State and Notre Dame in football.

Here is the SEC type deal for the Big Ten for yearly games.
Michigan-Illinois
Michigan State-Wisconsin
Notre Dame-Northwestern
Ohio State-Iowa
Penn State-Minnesota
Purdue-Indiana


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:03 pm 
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The likely alignment would be Ohio St., Michigan, Michigan St., Wisconsin, Minnesota and Iowa in the north. And there would be no annual rivalry games vs. the other division. They would schedule like the Big 12 where you play every team in the other division home and away over a 4 year period.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:24 pm 
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I agree with the alignment you've presented, Bullet, but feel there'd be a strong lobby for the SEC-like annual crossover to preserve the Michigan-ND rivalry. So long as these games occur early in the season the prospects for a rematch are viewed more favorably. MSU-PSU would be another.


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 Post subject: Tiger Shark 2 Is Right!
PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:23 pm 
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The contrary point would be that Illinois, NW, IU, PU and Penn St. would want to make sure they got Michigan and Ohio St. at least every other year. Which is one of the reasons I like the Big 12 scheduling format better than the SEC or ACC.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:33 pm 
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Those stupid realingments that are not geographically based is why the eastern conferences are complete idiots and money hungry. Sad, sad.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 7:26 pm 
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Gunnerfan & Bullet, you have it right.


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Yes ND must be crazy.,if they want to go to the b10.They turned it down because the b10 will not special deals.The BE allows them all the deals they want.No ND is not crazy.Losing revenue is not in the future for ND .That is why the b10 is OUT for ND.


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 Post subject: Tiger Shark 2 Is Right!
PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 2:51 pm 

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Yes ND must be crazy.,if they want to go to the b10.They turned it down because the b10 will not special deals.The BE allows them all the deals they want.No ND is not crazy.Losing revenue is not in the future for ND .That is why the b10 is OUT for ND.


I do not disagree with you on this, except for the phrase "if they want to go to the B10". However, the deals with the Big East are fundamentally a couple of bowl arrangements made with third parties (the bowls), and these are not the most prestigious bowls or the BCS bowls, of which, as you and most other posters know, have their unique criteria for Notre Dame---negotiated or dictated as an independent.

If one wants to call a deal a preference for a Meadowlands game with an eastern team annually, plus continuance of the long established Navy rivalry, and the expression of maybe planning another OOC game with a BE opponent, then perhaps that could be called a deal too, depending on the depth of the interpretation of the semantics.

My view is that Notre Dame's engagement with the BE has nothing to do with a football commitment, but protection of what they already have with the conference: a stable and impressive home for basketball.

You are indeed correct on the point that the B10 will not render ND special deals; also agree, ND has been profiting with their "deals" as an independent, i. e. BCS, NBC, not having to share revenue.

I would enjoy seeing ND join the BE for "all sports". It would be one of the best things that could happen for the BE. That though, is extraordinarily remote and not seen on the radar of reality.


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Call it what ever you want.But ND has an increasing arrangement with the BE in terms of football.Schools such as MIami and bc dislike these arrangements in football.However,this is the second decade of these arrangements betwwen ND and the BE for football.


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I watched again the Kevin Costner movie "Nowhere to Run" over the weekend and thought of the BE.


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