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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:07 am 
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Obviously in Missouri words have different meanings.When a team plays in a BCS in January of that year what school failed to hold on to its winning coach.One example was Utah.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:11 am 
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Obviously in Missouri words have different meanings.When a team plays in a BCS in January of that year what school failed to hold on to its winning coach.One example was Utah.


Lavell Edwards, a former MWC coach, one of the winniest coaches of all-time, number 6 I believe, just above my beloved Dr. Tom Osborne, coached at BYU for something like 30 years and won a National Championship. He also coached a Heisman Trophy winner. That is an example of a hall of fame coach from the MWC staying and winning a national championship at a MWC school.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:18 am 
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wolfie you are dillusional .The mwc is not a bcs conference.They were not able to keep their top rated football coach.Wave to all the rocks and wolves I am sure you count them as mwc fans.


Again the amount of rocks and wolves in a market is irrelevant in this discussion. The state of New York has the most "Lake Effect Snow". That doesn't mean Syracuse shouldn't be a BCS team. Pennsylvania has a groundhog that peeps his head out every February 2nd to see his shadow, in Puxautauny, PA and California produces the most avocados in the world so everyone can put guacomole on their tacos. Who cares?!

The MWC has 3 states the size of BCS states without any BCS competition and another state that is nearly equal in the support for MWC teams as compared to the Big 12 team. That is BCS virgin territory that is ripe for the picking.


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California and Texas are weak outposts of the MWC.Nevada's loyalty is divided between Reno/UNLV/PAC 10.Again again you mention that a few BCS schools are in small states so what.The NYC region has close to 25 million people ,which is 3-4 from Syracuse,UConn and Rutgers.That is more than your inflated 16.5 million for the whole mwc and the buying power in this region is large.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 10:52 am 
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For the record, TS2, I am not "wolfie". That is the name by which some guest has signed on occasionally. Second, in reporting the facts, how can I be "dillusional" (sp)?

BTW, for the time being, the BE is a BCS conference, and its record is included in the last figures presented each week.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 11:33 am 
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You segment your breakdowns with the BE always being with mwc and cusa.Your dreams for the mwc are based on impaired analyses.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 11:38 am 
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California and Texas are weak outposts of the MWC.Nevada's loyalty is divided between Reno/UNLV/PAC 10.Again again you mention that a few BCS schools are in small states so what.The NYC region has close to 25 million people ,which is 3-4 from Syracuse,UConn and Rutgers.That is more than your inflated 16.5 million for the whole mwc and the buying power in this region is large.


What you forgot to mention is that the LDS Church has 5.4 million people in the US. Many live in Utah, Idaho, Nevada, Arizona, and California.

Not all of the people in Utah a Mormon. So while UT provides 2.4 million of their entire population, they provide a significant share of NV, ID, and AZ population (not a majority by any means in NV, ID and AZ, but siginificant). So couple that with UNLV, which is the only game in town in a metro area 1.6 million you have a significant share of NV.

There is probably 3 million Mormons that don't live in either UT or ID. Plus you have Air Force which is the equivalent of Army and Navy with anyone in those armed services following AFA in sports. Both BYU and AFA provide some national stature to the MWC, beyond the 4 flagships that are located in the footprint. The 16.5 million is a well conservative estimate of their market.

It is virgin territory that doesn't have significant following for BCS conferences and the BCS may see that as an opportunity if the MWC meets the primary 3 criteria.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 11:40 am 
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You segment your breakdowns with the BE always being with mwc and cusa.Your dreams for the mwc are based on impaired analyses.


I think he is statistically grouping similar numbers together. Statisticians do that often. He still indicates what is fact: The BE is a BCS conference.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 1:40 pm 
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All the Californians who live in Las Vegas are UNLV fans.And all the others from all over the country who live in Las Vegas are UNLV fans.It must be tough to watch those games.Howeve,the games broadcast would be likely a lot of PAC 10 games.
And the number of ticket holders for UNLV football games are no to great.All Mormons only watch BYU.A lot rash conclusions.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 2:02 pm 
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The Latter Day Saints Church has promotion of the BYU game on the front page of the Church's world website:

http://www.lds.org/

The BYU games are broadcasted on the Church's world sattlelite:

http://www.lds.org/calendar/display/0,5050,100009--1779088,00.html?monthIndex=10&date=Sat+Oct+08+2005

There are some of the LDS church that follow Boise State in ID, ID has a significant amount of Mormons in the southern portion of ID that follow BYU. There's a branch of BYU in Rexburg or Idaho Falls or somewhere in southeastern ID. Las Vegas, NV was developed and pioneered by Mormons. The LDS Church has a significant footprint in the Intermountain West and they exist in every state. I think a 3 million estimate of the 5.4 million total population and not including the UT and ID portions which I already included in the mix, this is a fairly conservative estimate of the BYU market.

Also, while NV may have some overlap with the Pac 10 from the west, it is not to the point that UNLV is not significant in its home town. Only 18% of the Las Vegas metro area (Clark County) has a Bachelor's degree or higher. So most of your likely Pac 10 fans that move into the area are among these college graduates. The remaining part of the population, lacking a pro team, are likely to gravitate to the local team if they are interested in sports. The combination of the locals and the Mormans in Las Vegas makes the MWC the conference with the largest following in Vegas (Clark County).

The 16.5 million is a prudent and conservative estimate. But beyond that, the no-BCS team present is a potential positive aspect of their market characteristics that the other non-BCS leagues don't have. It is virgin BCS territory.


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Obviously in Missouri words have different meanings.When a team plays in a BCS in January of that year what school failed to hold on to its winning coach.One example was Utah.


Pittsburgh from last year.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 5:31 pm 
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Why didn't Pittsburgh or Syracuse go after either Urban Meyer or Charlie Weis?

Did they not have the money and/or resources? Was their cache less than attractive relative to the other available jobs, i.e. Florida and Notre Dame?


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SportsKC - thats a really bad example. Pitt wanted to get rid of Harris but were 'lucky' that Stanford took him off their hands. The relationship had soured between Harris and the fan base and the administration.

BCHokie - I can't say about SU but Pitt wasn't going to pony up the $$ until they basically ran out of candidates. The optoins were either Bo Pelini or promote DC Paul Rhoades - both options were not very appealing. Then, when they asked Wanstedt a 2nd time - he basically said I want $1 million plus lots of money to hire assistants - money that 'wasn't available' to Walt Harris' and his assistants.

Urban was a hot property and wouldn't go from Utah to Pitt - he would wait until some big time SEC or other school would be willing to cough up the dough.

Weis connection was that he was a ND grad. I'm not sure if Weis will stay at ND long. He's never been a head coach in the NFL (unlike Carroll and Groh). He was itching to get a chance and maybe if/when ND has a solid foundation and is a consistent Top25 team he will leave. Maybe it will be sooner... who knows???


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 6:08 pm 
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The optoins were either Bo Pelini or promote DC Paul Rhoades - both options were not very appealing.


As a Nebraska fan, I was very impressed with Bo Pelini, during his 1 year at Nebraska (the Frank Solich firing year). Of course he was a Defensive Coordinator, and an awesome at that, and it would be hard to see how he would do as a head coach and managing/overseeing an offense.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 6:15 pm 
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SportsKC - thats a really bad example. Pitt wanted to get rid of Harris but were 'lucky' that Stanford took him off their hands. The relationship had soured between Harris and the fan base and the administration.


Yeah, but TS2 asked for a team in a BCS game then there coach left.


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