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 Post subject: Marshall, UAB, or ECU?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:44 pm 
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If B-12 and acc are getting 12 million for their 13 the game you really expect a BE 13 th game to get much more than the range of 3-4 million maybe 5 million?No one has to worry the possibilities of the BE going to 12 teams.The conversations that the BE had in 2003 with many schools about the 9th football only membership never worked out.The BE had similar conversations with Louisville prior to the break up in 2003.


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 Post subject: Marshall, UAB, or ECU?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:14 pm 
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Your argument

because the BXII and ACC get $12M for their championship game, the Big East would get $3-4M

has zero logic.


Please try to think it through and try again.


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 Post subject: Marshall, UAB, or ECU?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:30 pm 
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Very simple a financial estimate .We know what the b12 acc make.It is quite logical to assume that the BE tv value would less than that of the b12 or acc,by adding the likes of ecu,memphis or cfla.Comparing the worth of the cusa 13th game being about 10% of the b12 or acc.


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 Post subject: Marshall, UAB, or ECU?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 5:44 pm 
Adding a school(s) has to go beyond the issue of slicing the pie further for bowl and tournament play. Critical in the formula is the matter of "in season" play involving tickets sales/attendance, rivalry cultivation, balanced scheduling, TV potential, etc. Conference members have to ask: Do most of us want to play this school regularly and is it profitable for us? If several of the conference schools are already playing a particular school OOC, or certain history is involved, reason stands it could be under discussion.

Some conferences have also played "defense", taking certain schools to deny other conferences, thus protecting turf or expanding their own footprint.

It is very well to think in terms of how the internal pie is sliced for post-season and TV. Expansion assumes more markets may become involved. And, each conference is part of a larger network, with each positioning itself as strategically as possible. Sometimes expanding fortifies and enhances a conference's strategic position. Obviously, some conferences have stretched themselves too thin in the past or over-reached. One cannot assume with eight fb playing schools, the Big East has over-reached. If some are arguing for the 9th fb member, then their thinking is the conference is a bit undersized for fb.

Balanced scheduling and recognizing the opportunities offered by the "12th" regular season game are judgment matters in all this.




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 Post subject: Marshall, UAB, or ECU?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 5:28 pm 
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I posted this a few before on another thread and I still think it makes the most sense for the BE from a BCS standpoint and an allsports standpoint as well.

IMO, the Big East needs to focus on strong football schools within the Eastern and Central time zones. They need to bring in programs that can compete in football right away, even if the other sports may need some improvement, which the BE affiliation could probably help quickly. I think the 12 team two division All Sports set up is the best way to go. That said here are the Universities I think would strengthen the conference the most:

1. Memphis - I have read many of the posts, both positive and negative for the school, including the so called "spat" with Louisville. But, Memphis has a great TV market #44, an up and coming football program with a fine stadium, strong basketball (currently #3 in the country) and one of the best basketball venues in the country. Memphis could be the cornerstone of the Big East's final expansion. All this school needs in football is some teams outside of Southern Miss to compete with.

2. East Carolina - Geographically it's a good fit. The football program is down right now, but they have a solid fan base and a turn around with Holtz seems apparent. The basketball program is a diamond in the rough. Although the TV market isn't in the top 20, it's close at a suprising #35! Plus, they have an outstanding baseball program. The facilities there are pretty good and they have a nice loyal fan base.

3. Southern Miss - What can you say about the football program there? These guys play as tough as any team in the nation. They will bring a more impressive football identity than any of the recent additions to the BE and that includes the so called CUSA king Louisville. They are expanding their stadium to around 45k to make them more attractive as well. The basketball situation isn't great, but they hired Larry Eustachy and he should turn things around soon. It's a small TV market, but when you combine the 3 main areas they draw from, Hattiesburg, Jackson and the gulf coast, it gives them around 568K which would place their TV market at # 55. Also another very good baseball school.

4. UCF- The football program is still a question mark, but they had a solid 2005. Great TV market and they're building facilities to compete with the Big East schools. Basketball is ok and did I mention their TV market is #20! I'm not sure South Florida would go for them, so this would be my greatest concern for their inclusion. I guess UAB could be a fallback here, but I don't think UAB is going to put forth the dollars required to compete in the BE.

So these southern four combined with recent additions South Florida and Louisville could make up the Big East South, allowing the Big East to power into the deep south terrain that has always been dominated by the SEC. There are great, great footbal players in the deep south that some of the BE schools would love to be able to recruit more easily. The BE media coverage in the south would grow tremedously and annual games in the south would help recruits be more familiar with Rutgers, Cincy, Pitt and UConn.

Notice those I left out:
Army and Navy-I don't see the benefit of adding football only schools, regardless of tradition or location. Plus Army is awful and not getting any better.
Marshall- I see no way WVU will allow this. It will take a act of the State Legislature to make this happen.
UMASS, Nova - Just can't risk more 1-AA schools failing at big time football.
Temple- BE kicked them out and the've made no strides for a second look.


The new set up would look like this:

BE NORTH

1. SYRACUSE
2. UCONN
3. PITTSBURGH
4. RUTGERS
5. WEST VIRGINIA
6. CINCINNATI

SOUTH

1. LOUISVILLE
2. SOUTH FLORIDA
3. SOUTHERN MISS
4. MEMPHIS
5. EAST CAROLINA
6. UCF

As an SEC fan, I know how passionate the south is about their football. I think these programs would blossom in the BE and help the legue solidify itself in the BCS. Southern football is amazing. The BE will never match the SEC or the Big XII in my estimatation, but I do believe if football is where the BE wants to add strength, this would be the best scenario. I live in the south and have seen all four of these schools facilities and know the programs well. They will blossom in the BE and I could see the BE as a top four-five conference five or six years after this takes place.


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 Post subject: Marshall, UAB, or ECU?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 6:06 pm 
Storm, a good analysis. Of course all this, or something similar, would hinge on a future split with the fb schools embracing all-sports. The ambition would also be needed to seek a championship game. It would be BCS worthy.


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 Post subject: Marshall, UAB, or ECU?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 10:25 am 
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Possibly the SEC could move UK and Vanderbilt out and replace them with SMISS and Memphis.


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 Post subject: Marshall, UAB, or ECU?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 8:16 pm 
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The SEC would never drop their BB jewel Kentucky and Vanderbilt is in the SEC until they decide to leave of their on accord. They aren't leaving either. There is just too much money involved. As to the post above I might substitute a northeast team in the northern bracket and drop Cinn into the southern bracket to replace S. Miss. Nothing against S. Miss for FB but their BB is terrible and the NE schools might want more balance for their section of the country in this newly proposed conference to make it happen. The conference as proposed does have its own merits though.

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