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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:39 pm 
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UC San Diego makes it official: It's joining Div. I, Big West
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 6:10 pm 
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So we wondered why the Big West suddenly had a change of heart on UCSD......
A compromise was reached.
Expand to 11 with one (1) University of California school (UCSD) and one (1) Cal. State University (CSU-Bakersfield); this maintains a 5-5 balance with Hawaii being the 11th school.
Implication for the WAC - suddenly down to 8 schools with the announced departure of CSU-B !!!!

Most WAC members would rather be elsewhere and are just awaiting an invitation.
Seems a lot of conferences are looking at expanding to 11 to get to a 20-game round robin for BB.
Not only is WAC very vulnerable, but Summit may be too. Horizon may be looking at IPFW, and Western Illinois might entertain a new conference more geographically desirable.

If so, now is the moment for Summit to take a hard look at cherry-picking the WAC - I'm thinking UMKC and Utah Valley.....


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:35 pm 
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So...

UMKC is looking at rejoining the Summit
Chicago State is rumored to be dropping to DII
Seattle is begging for a WCC invite (and could get it if the Gonzaga/MWC rumors are real)
UTRGV is begging for a Southland invite
Utah Valley is considering adding FCS football and joining the Big Sky (or a Big Sky spin-off)
NMSU is looking for a FBS home, or an FCS home if they go bust
GCU is already rumored to be looking around for a better conference

They are adding Cal Baptist which will keep them at 8 but that assumes none of the above scenarios come to fruition (that’s some pretty long odds).

Still I’ve seen a few rumors swirling about Azusa Pacific, Colorado Mesa and Metro State Denver joining but without some new blood this conference will once again be on life support /Captain Obvious.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 1:19 am 
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if you were one of those D-2 schools that might be potential WAC candidates, wouldn't you be a bit wary about joining a conference whose situation appears to be so tenuous ?

The WAC might offer a D-2 --> D-1 move-up opportunity, but those schools might be going from a stable situation to one where the AD is constantly worried about conference stability every morning when he wakes up.

I feel like NMSU is hanging onto FBS football, hoping something will break with the Sun-Belt / CUSA situation. Otherwise they'll be stuck as an FBS independent unless they drop to FCS and join the Big Sky or MVFC / Summit.

UVU would seem to need to add FCS football to be attractive to the Big Sky. Without football, they might still garner an invitation to WCC or Summit.

Yeah, Seattle could slide right into WCC, but seem to be currently blocked by Gonzaga's parochialism.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:18 am 
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TKthunder wrote:
So...

UMKC is looking at rejoining the Summit
Chicago State is rumored to be dropping to DII
Seattle is begging for a WCC invite (and could get it if the Gonzaga/MWC rumors are real)
UTRGV is begging for a Southland invite
Utah Valley is considering adding FCS football and joining the Big Sky (or a Big Sky spin-off)
NMSU is looking for a FBS home, or an FCS home if they go bust
GCU is already rumored to be looking around for a better conference

They are adding Cal Baptist which will keep them at 8 but that assumes none of the above scenarios come to fruition (that’s some pretty long odds).

Still I’ve seen a few rumors swirling about Azusa Pacific, Colorado Mesa and Metro State Denver joining but without some new blood this conference will once again be on life support /Captain Obvious.


at this point...the wac has start looking at some more schools from in the
Pacific West
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Southland &
Rocky Mountain Athletic
...conferences to get things going...Hurd is going to have to start hustling again for potential members...


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:00 pm 
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tute79 wrote:
if you were one of those D-2 schools that might be potential WAC candidates, wouldn't you be a bit wary about joining a conference whose situation appears to be so tenuous ?

The WAC might offer a D-2 --> D-1 move-up opportunity, but those schools might be going from a stable situation to one where the AD is constantly worried about conference stability every morning when he wakes up.


There is a way to move up a Division and create stability....but, the logistics could be tough to negotiate, since I am not completely clear on the NCAA rules.

Lets just say for example....
Colorado Col Springs, Metro State, and Regis decided to move up together. All three schools would be centrally located within the conference which would reduce every schools travel. Schools could easily schedule games with two or more of the Colorado schools to further reduce expenses over a two or three day period.
These three schools already have a history with each other...which means built in rivalries and fan support. All three schools are within the Denver market which could really allow the WAC to monopolize that market place and create some well needed revenue and media support.

The conference, would probably need some permission to have that many DII move ups(i'm not too clear on the rules here), but, may be able to make it work while CSUB, Chicago St and UMKC are still in the conference.

Three schools banded together would give the WAC a permanent core....so, no matter which schools come and go....there would be a group centered around Colorado and the Denver market.

The WAC would look like: Chi St, UMKC, UTRGV, NMSU, GCU, UVU, Cal Bakersfield, Seattle....with DII move ups of UCCS, Regis, Metro St, and Cal Baptist.
12 schools with 1 to 3 contemplating moving on....would still leave the WAC with workable numbers for the future.

Enrollment:
UCCS about 10,000
Regis about 10,000
Metro about 24,000

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WAC MB thread discussing current and future WAC membership situation at http://csnbbs.com/thread-835371.html


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Article out of Riverside discussing WAC/CBU situation at http://www.pe.com/2017/12/04/alexander- ... us-future/


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WAC MB thread with speculation regarding possibility of NMSU and GCU leaving the WAC for another conference at http://csnbbs.com/thread-836546.html


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WAC MB thread with speculation regarding possibility of BSC split and WAC realignment:
Are WAC and Big Sky merge/split talks going on again?
http://csnbbs.com/thread-838151.html


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 1:39 pm 
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OK, so split Big Sky FB into divisions. Play your rivals every year. FCS has plenty of at-larges, so it's not like the FB conference size is limiting, with regard to getting into FCS playoff bracket.

Don't see someone from Idaho (Rob Spear) calling the shots at this time, being that Idaho is a newbie.

WAC schools generally have no football (NMSU is in FBS still....)

Big Sky is stable, WAC is very unstable. Why would Big Sky take on all of WAC's problems ?


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Another Shot at Becoming a Nonprofit
Grand Canyon University announces another attempt at converting from a publicly traded for-profit to a nonprofit.
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/201 ... -nonprofit

Grand Canyon University Submits Application To Return To Non-Profit Status
Possibility being looked at to ensure long-term stability, legacy of institution
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/grand-ca ... 00114.html

Grand Canyon University again files for nonprofit status
http://ktar.com/story/1892701/grand-can ... it-status/


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CSU blog article with update on that school's falling enrollment situation at http://csufacultyvoice.blogspot.com/201 ... rvive.html


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freaked4collegefb wrote:
CSU blog article with update on that school's falling enrollment situation at http://csufacultyvoice.blogspot.com/201 ... rvive.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Let's be honest here. This is a rant, not an article, from a blog about "Crony $tate University". Read it with a grain (actually a TON) of salt.


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Agree. Clearly a rant / highly-opinionated "blog" type stuff.

However, enrollment <2500 doesn't bode well for a future in D-1.

Not sure whether that is the absolute smallest enrollment in D-1, but the cost of D-1 athletics / enrolled student might soon force the hand of the administration. Chicago State's travel in the WAC has to be ridiculous. The typical road trip is probably a 2500 mile round trip. That's absolutely brutal for the kids.


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