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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 11:03 pm 
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So this reporter from Omaha apparently wants to push that agenda.

Look at the Horizon footprint. IUPUI and IPFW fit right into the hole vacated by Valparaiso.


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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 10:22 am 
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Article out of Sioux Falls discussing possible impact on the Summit League from MVC expansion at http://www.argusleader.com/story/blogs/ ... /101483320

Also,SBN blog article(previously posted in another thread discussing some possible expansion candidates for the Horizon League to include some Summit league members.Link at http://www.midmajormadness.com/2017/5/9 ... mit-league


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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 3:21 pm 
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If you are running the Summit League, you should start preparing to be poached next.

There's: IUPUI, IPFW, Western Illinois, Omaha ?

If and when one or more receive an invitation to the Horizon, it would seem that the Summit will look to the WAC.
Chicago State has had NCAA compliance issues and was kicked out of the Summit (the voluntarily "left" under duress).
UMKC left for no apparent reason, and are paying a fortune for travel.
They were not all that competitive in the Summit, but every conference needs a cellar-dweller.
Next closest - Utah Valley or UT-RGV or New Mexico State (FBS Football - might they consider the MVFC ?)
Long term - if the Summit lost IUPUI AND IPFW AND Western Illinois, might they start considering a full-on merger with the WAC ?


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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 10:50 pm 
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If the Summit League is poached, they should consider adding Uni Missouri Kansas City for all sports and Northern Colorado for Olympic sports. UNC would remain in the Big Sky for football.


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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 9:53 am 
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If the he Summit League is poached, they should consider adding Uni Missouri Kansas City for all sports and Northern Colorado for Olympic sports. UNC would remain in the Big Sky for football.


That might not be a bad idea. Besides it would bring Denver a travel partner in Northern Colorado, along with a possible returnee in Missouri-Kansas City (UMKC).

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:02 pm 
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Summit League MB thread discussing possibility that Summit League member IPFW "may" be in line for a Horizon League invite at http://sdsufans.com/board/showthread.ph ... eting-IPFW


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:19 am 
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Article out of Detroit(previously posted in another thread)reporting that Summit League member IUPUI has received a Horizon League invite at http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports ... /103102686


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:36 am 
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Article out of Detroit(previously posted in another thread) reporting that Summit League member IUPUI will be announced as new Horizon League member this week at http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports ... 103218394/


Also,Summit League member IUPUI message(previously posted in another thread)indicating a special announcement is scheduled for tomorrow morning at 10 AM LOCAL.Link at https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDQvHtkXcAATO2e.jpg" onclick=


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:54 am 
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This move should come as a surprise to no one.
Only question was whether Horizon would invite IUPUI, IPFW or both.
For now they are limiting it to Indianapolis, and expansion to 10.

Ultimately, I would expect the Horizon to expand to 12, adding IPFW and one other.
(one reason IUPUI might have been selected over IPFW is this confusion over splitting administration of IPFW between IU and PU...?)

Holding off on IPFW and taking only IUPUI is giving the Summit a temporary reprieve.
After IUPUI leaves, Summit will be at 9.
Summit needs to start preparing for the loss of IPFW - NOW !!!!

Invite UMKC back ? Do they want them ? UMKC's move to the WAC seemed utterly stupid. The travel cost must be killing them....
UMKC left PERHAPS due to inability to compete. Other U of Missouri branches (UMSL and S&T) are Division 2.

Who else - Utah Valley ?
If NMSU wanted to drop to FCS (they stated whey do not want to, but for how long ?), they could be considered for Summit / MVFC #12
MVFC might actually provide some decent rivalries for them....


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:48 am 
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The Summit League's members generally are public institutions with 10,000-15,000 students and geographically located from East Indiana to Omaha and the Canadian border to Tulsa, Oklahoma.

Only DI options:

UMKC - Easy replacement in footprint
Chicago State - obviously not a sure thing but lack of immediately available options may mend old grudges. Small public school that would be the furthest East school in the conference (though travel would be easy) assuming Ft Wayne leaves.

Possible DII upgrades:

Minnnesota schools: all largest institutions that would fit well in the Summit, the state of Minnesota is within spitting distance of the 4 Dakota schools so these would be logical expansion candidates, plus the University of Minnesota is the only DI member in the entire state which means the state isn't overpopulated with DI sports.
Minn - Duluth - #2 school in UM system
Minn State - Mankato - has been considered the flagship of the State system
St Cloud State - has also been considered the flagship of the State system

Missouri: Obviously another huge hole in the Summit League (assuming UMKC stays in the WAC) between Oral Robert, NU-Omaha, and Western Ill;
Missouri S&T - good competitive addition
Missouri - StL - good sized school in major market
Central Missouri - large school
Lindenwood - only private school on the list but they've been doing lots of facility updates and rumor has it they want in DI

Kansas: Ft Hays State (KS) - not a lot of good options here but it fits the footprint and it's a bball crazy state (like Kentucky) that would support 4th team that could be its new underdog team with WSU getting a nice upgrade.

Oklahoma: Central Oklahoma - already have Tulsa in the conference why not solidify your hold on the Southern border by adding a nice sized school in Oklahoma City.

Nebraska: NU-Kearney - I remember them thinking they'd follow UN-O to DI but haven't heard a lot from them. That being said UN-K is a little small but it's in the heart of the footprint.

Indiana: Southern Indiana - I'd avoid anything East of Chicago but they fit the profile and rumor has it they are looking to upgrade

Colorado: No idea if they'd be willing to go so far West as Denver is really just an outpost for the Summit but if they did Colorado has a few candidates.
Colorado Mesa - far west side of the state, not sure that it would be a travel friendly option
CU - Colorado Spring - CU #2 school (in athletics, #3 in academics)
Regis - located in Denver not sure the University of Denver would be cool adding an in town rival
Metro St - Denver - also in Denver so same note apply

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IPFW leaving would rationalize the Summit's footprint (Western Illinois to Denver, northern US border south to Tulsa).

Problem is - that footprint is rather slim pickins.

As you indicated, some D-2 move-ups in Minnesota or Nebraska / Kansas / Oklahoma would fit in nicely, but when is that likely to happen ?

Summit is hemmed in a bit between the MVC, Big Sky, and Southland. Solution would seem to be to expand the footprint.
I think look westward, as MVC and Horizon to the east are higher on the "conference pecking order".

Chicago State was booted out of the Summit (was it the Mid-con back then ?) for a variety of administrative control issues
(or so went the rumor). Officially, Chicago State left voluntarily... Not so sure they have gotten their act together since.

My thought - both the Summit and WAC are under pressure to increase their membership or risk falling below several NCAA minimums. What about a merger ? Not exactly a merger though - the Summit invites everyone but Chicago State ?
Numbers would be in the mid-teens. UMKC plays with current Summit members in East Division. Denver plays with current WAC members in West Division. Just a thought.....


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Release from Summit League member IUPUI site(previously posted in another thread) with announcement that they will be joining the Horizon League for 2017-2028 at http://www.iupuijags.com/news/2017/6/27 ... eague.aspx


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IPFW leaving would rationalize the Summit's footprint (Western Illinois to Denver, northern US border south to Tulsa).

Problem is - that footprint is rather slim pickins.

As you indicated, some D-2 move-ups in Minnesota or Nebraska / Kansas / Oklahoma would fit in nicely, but when is that likely to happen ?

Summit is hemmed in a bit between the MVC, Big Sky, and Southland. Solution would seem to be to expand the footprint.
I think look westward, as MVC and Horizon to the east are higher on the "conference pecking order".

Chicago State was booted out of the Summit (was it the Mid-con back then ?) for a variety of administrative control issues
(or so went the rumor). Officially, Chicago State left voluntarily... Not so sure they have gotten their act together since.

My thought - both the Summit and WAC are under pressure to increase their membership or risk falling below several NCAA minimums. What about a merger ? Not exactly a merger though - the Summit invites everyone but Chicago State ?
Numbers would be in the mid-teens. UMKC plays with current Summit members in East Division. Denver plays with current WAC members in West Division. Just a thought.....

I could see that.

But Denver left the WAC for a reason and I don't think they'll be happy to go back.

Also I don't see them wanting to turn two autobids into one, so I think a merger is off the table.

By expanding the footprint your only compounding the basic problem of everyone being a better conference all around them. By jumping into the West you're only going add WCC and Big West to the list of conferences who can pick you apart, because those Western teams want to join those conferences along with the Big Sky.

And look at the conference land scape to the East. The MVC has been slowly solidifying its base in Illinois/West Indiana. Only schools west of those are a pair in Iowa and Missouri State (who might be the next to leave if they get a FBS invite) and it doesn't seem likely that they'll trouble to Summit anytime soon.

The Horizon is also moving more East too as their Western flake only goes to the Western shores of Lake Michigan. The only Summit schools that could be poached are Ft Wayne and Western Illinois. The message to me if I'm the Summit League is stay West of Illinois and you'll be safe. The Horizon isn't that much better of a conference than the Summit League, it's just that the teams they are poaching are in their footprint and it's easier than traveling their track teams out the the Dakotas each year.

By solidifying the Summit's core you make it's harder for a these schools to justify spurning their current conference mates with reasonable travel, to join a conference that sends your teams a 1/3 of the way (or more) across the country.

The Summit has a core and it's the 4 Dakota teams and NU-O. I don't think they'll stray too far from that. If they add a pair of the Minnesota teams that core becomes stronger. By doing this no members (other than Denver/WCC) are looking West or South (Oral Roberts turned down the Southland). So the only worry you have is from the East so if you keep the teams as close to your core as possible the likelihood of them leaving goes down dramatically.

If all else fails they'll raid the WAC for a team or two (NMSU or UVU) but I don't think they'd want to be associated with any more than that.

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Agree - Summit's core is 4 Dakota schools, Omaha, and ORU (Tulsa).
6 schools, and pretty tight at that.

But then you need a minimum of 8, ideally 9 or 10, and STABILITY.
IPFW has to be talking to the Horizon.
Not sure if Horizon or MVC have interest in Western Illinois, but it seems plausible.
UMKC was on MVC's short list. (Why on earth did they leave Summit for the WAC ?)

Denver seems stable #7 for now.

Summit could "cherry-pick" the WAC... (Utah Valley, NMSU, UMKC would be the place to start).

Both conferences are currently teetering on the brink of marginal size.
The Summit has the upper hand (desirability).
Regardless of how many WAC teams the Summit ultimately needs to "poach",
they need to start strategizing fairly soon.

Another thought - SunBelt has 2 non-FB schools (UALR and a Texas school).
If somehow they felt pressure to find a new home, Summit might be a nice fit.

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Article out of Fort Wayne regarding IPFW situation following yesterday's IUPUI to the Horizon League announcement. Link at http://www.news-sentinel.com/sports/col ... y_20170628


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