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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2004 10:53 am 
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A few recent items that do/did affect D-I conference membership:

The D-III schools that play up are still allowed to do so (Colorado College in the WCHA and St. Lawrence, Rensselaer & Clarkson in the ECAC):
http://www.uscollegehockey.com/news/2004/01/12_007693.php

Vermont moves from ECAC to Hockey East:
http://www.uscollegehockey.com/news/2004/01/08_007625.php
http://www.uscollegehockey.com/news/2004/01/08_007626.php
http://www.uscollegehockey.com/news/2004/01/08_007637.php

Findlay drops hockey, putting the CHA's automatic bid (& its stability) in jeopardy:
http://www.uscollegehockey.com/news/2004/01/06_007618.php

Feb 9: Robert Morris signs on with CHA:
http://www.uscollegehockey.com/news/2004/01/29_007798.php


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2004 11:32 am 
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A few years ago, I did a basic scenario for hockey, should Notre Dame ever join the Big Ten. If not, they remain where they are...

Ivy
Brown
Yale
Dartmouth
Harvard
Cornell
Princeton

ECAC
Colgate
Clarkson
St. Lawrence
Union
Rensselaer
* Niagara
* Alabama-Huntsville

Atlantic
Holy Cross
Mercyhurst
Canisius
Quinnipiac
Sacred Heart
Army
Connecticut
American Int'l
Bentley


Big Ten (if ND ever joined)
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Notre Dame


CCHA
Miami
Alaska-Fairbanks
Western Michigan
Northern Michigan
Ferris State
Bowling Green
Lake Superior
Nebraska-Omaha
*Wayne State
* Bemidji State

CHA - folds

Hockey East
Boston College
Maine
Massachusetts
Mass.-Lowell
New Hampshire
Merrimack
Providence
Boston University
Northeastern
* Vermont





WCHA
North Dakota
Minnesota-Duluth
St. Cloud State
Alaska-Anchorage
Denver
Colorado College
Minnesota State
Michigan Tech
* Air Force

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2004 10:31 pm 
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Interesting scenarios with hockey realignment, but unlike basketball and football, there is much more to be said about tradition here.

In the east, you have Vermont moving to Hockey East, which is an excellent decision. And there was no screwing around - UVM asked Hockey East for in and three weeks later, they're in.

The other moves you might see are Niagara leaving CHA (which is doomed) for the ECAC to replace UVM. You might also see UConn (women already in HEA) and Holy Cross move from Atlantic Hockey to HEA to give it 12 teams. 12 is a good number in hockey since every team can play a 22 game league schedule, get 12 non-confernce games and there is nobody sitting home
on any given weekend.

As for Atlantic Hockey, think of it as the Mid-Continent Conference of hockey. Same goes for CHA, but they're going out of business anyway.

Out west, things could be shaken up a bit, but there is no way that the Big Ten will ever have a hockey league. Minnesota and Wisconsin play a different knd of hockey than Michigan, Michigan State and Ohio State. Plus if anything happened with conference shuffling, you would need to include North Dakota with Mnnesota and Wisconsin.

The best moves would be for the CCHA to trade Alaska-Fairbanks and Nebraska-Omaha to the WCHA for Michigan Tech. The CCHA then picks up Alabama-Huntsville to get to 12. Alabama-Huntsville would be a good pick-up because they have strong hockey tradition (really, no joking) and make a better weekend trip than Fairbanks.

The WCHA picks up Air Force to get to 12 as well. There would be 2 leftovers from the implosion of CHA - Wayne State and Bemidji State. However, they don't have much of a tradition or following, so you're on your own or to Atlantic Hockey.

Hockey East
Northeastern, Boston College, Boston University, Providence, Merrimack, Holy Cross, UMass, UConn, Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, UMass-Lowell

ECAC
Harvard, Yale, Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell, Princeton, RPI, Union, Niagara, Colgate, St. Lawrence, Clarkson

Atlantic Hockey
Quinnipiac, Sacred Heart, Mercyhurst, Army, Canisius, American International, Bentley (possibly Robert Morris and Navy)

CCHA
Michigan, Michigan State, Michigan Tech, Northern Michigan, Western Michigan, Miami (Ohio), Bowling Green, Ohio State, Ferris State, Lake Superior State, Notre Dame, Alabama-Huntsville

WCHA
Minnesota, Wisconsin, North Dakota, Minnesota-Duluth, St. Cloud State, Denver, Colorado College, Minnesota State-Mankato, Nebraska-Omaha, Air Force, Alaska-Anchorage, Alaksa-Fairbanks

Independent
Bemidji State, Wayne State


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 10:58 am 
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ECAC Turns Down Niagra

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaah/news?slug=ap-ecac-niagara&prov=ap&type=lgns

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 12:13 pm 
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Does anyone know why the two Alaska programs are in different conferences? I understand that geography isn't the only factor in alignment, but in this case I would have thought it would win out.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 2:46 am 
UAF and UAA aren't in the same conference because it would cost to much to have to fly teams to Alaska twice in a season.

That's the best expenation I've heard, so I'd just go with it.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 12:35 pm 
Some history on UAA and UAF hockey ..... both schools were members of the Great West Hockey Conference for 3 seasons: from 1985-86 to 1987-88. The GWHC was just a 4 team outfit, with the Alaska schools, Northern Arizona, and U.S. International. The non-Alaska schools dropped hockey in the late 1980s.

UAF headed for the CCHA as an affiliate member in 1992-93 .... becoming a full member by 1995. UAF had to make concessions to convince the CCHA to take them ..... UAF subsidizes all teams (except Nebraska-Omaha, which joined the CCHA in the late 1990s and evidently had to make a concession of their own) trips to the Last Frontier.

UAA joined the WCHA for the 1993-94 season. I don't know for a fact if they subsidize opponents' trips as well.

Overall, I think it works well being in opposite conferences. The schools have natural OOC games to schedule (each other), and the mainland teams, in general, only have to travel way north once every 2 years.

For M/W basketball and volleyball ... UAA and UAF are members of the D-II Great Northwest Athletic Confernece (most schools in WA, 1 each in OR, ID, CA).


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