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 Post subject: Re: A10 Realignment
PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 11:37 am 
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Article out of Hampton Roads reporting that there is an apparent disagreement within VCU administration regarding whether to join the A-10 at this time.Link at http://www.dailypress.com/sports/teel-b ... ?track=rss


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 Post subject: Re: A10 Realignment
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Indy Star article discussing Butler/A-10 story at http://www.indystar.com/article/2012042 ... nav%7Chead


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 Post subject: Re: A10 Realignment
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Article out of Hampton Roads reporting that there is an apparent disagreement within VCU administration regarding whether to join the A-10 at this time.Link at http://www.dailypress.com/sports/teel-b ... ?track=rss


Seems though that the emphasis is on "this time", meaning, to announce for the next year. And it makes sense. Assuming the exit fee increase is pushed aside, then VCU staying THROUGH the 2012-2013 season, means they would get more of their owed NCAA shares, the bulk of which they produced by advancing to the Final Four in 2011.

Seems that GMU would also benefit from this arrangement: GMU and VCU can announce this year that they are leaving the CAA at the end of the 2012-2013 season, get their payouts THIS July 1st, maybe even time it so they can get the next payments a year from them on July 1, and then leave for the A10 the next day.

Regardless, it appears that this payout (July 2012) is a big one that should not be missed.

And if GMU and VCU can get the exit fee issue killed (giving ODU time to prepare what it wants to do, same as UD and JMU), then everyone wins.

Meaning, if the schools are leaving, then it's best to give the CAA the most time to adapt rather than forcing the issue by having 3 schools leave THIS year, which is on the table (if ODU can get an invite).


Also note that the MAC could be in play here. GA Southern has the MAC on it's radar too. All of a sudden, the MAC might have lots of candidates to chose from for spots 14-16 should they seek to expand. I still stand by Delaware, JMU and App St. being the ideal group, and ODU should App St. be fortunate enough to get a CUSA spot.

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 Post subject: Re: A10 Realignment
PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 12:44 pm 
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Indy Star article discussing Butler/A-10 story at http://www.indystar.com/article/2012042 ... nav%7Chead


Was just coming here to post this.

The A-10 AD comments about "travel isn't a factor" and "they'd be a great fit."
The A-10 ADs would NOT be speculating about another school and participating in that if it wasn't happening.


As for the VCU story, the A-10 wouldn't be adding members until 2013-14 anyway.
Temple is in the A-10 next season in everything but football. Only football is immediately joining the Big East.

So Teague recommending VCU stay CAA at least thru 2012-13 can be filed under D for Duh.

I don't know what the CAA does for teams leaving. If VCU announces their intention to leave, they might have to forfeit their NCAA revenue share. As I recall, the CAA does two pools of revenue sharing. 65% of money earned goes into an "even-split" scenario and the other 35% is a performance based payout.

So, for VCU, getting the Final Four payout, it might be in their best interest to get the NCAA money and announce a departure at the last possible second.

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 Post subject: Re: A10 Realignment
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Indy Star article reporting that "so far" no official announcement on Butler to the A-10 at http://www.indystar.com/article/2012043 ... nav%7chead


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 Post subject: Re: A10 Realignment
PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:58 am 
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Indy Star article reporting that "so far" no official announcement on Butler to the A-10 at http://www.indystar.com/article/2012043 ... nav%7chead


Some good points in this and other threads: since Temple isn't leaving the A10 until AFTER NEXT season, there is less rush. Might as well take the time to smoothly transition Butler in, as well as VCU and GMU.

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 Post subject: Re: A10 Realignment
PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:15 am 
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I thought the only rush might have been the CAA teams trying to announce a departure before the CAA exit fee increased form $250,000 to $1,000,000 (proposed).
Perhaps Yeager doesn't have the votes to enact that, so GMU and VCU are sitting back and calculating how to maximize:

NCAA BB credits
- CAA exit fee
- A10 entrance fee
etc.

I think they need to make the moves official by June 30th, if they plan to partipate in the A10 starting July 1, 2013.

So May 1 is no real deadline, but June 30th is....


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 Post subject: Re: A10 Realignment
PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:00 pm 
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I thought the only rush might have been the CAA teams trying to announce a departure before the CAA exit fee increased form $250,000 to $1,000,000 (proposed). Perhaps Yeager doesn't have the votes to enact that, so GMU and VCU are sitting back and calculating how to maximize:

NCAA BB credits
- CAA exit fee
- A10 entrance fee
etc.

I think they need to make the moves official by June 30th, if they plan to partipate in the A10 starting July 1, 2013.

So May 1 is no real deadline, but June 30th is....


Perhaps, but none of that might matter....

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B. Upon the notice of withdrawal, the remaining Association members retain the right to determine the effective date of the institution’s membership withdrawal and the rights and privileges of membership that will be extended prior to the effective date of the institution’s withdrawal. All membership changes become effective on June 30. [Adopted: June 28, 2000]

C. Any member that elects to withdraw from the Association will be assessed a financial penalty of $250,000 and forfeits its share of the accrued assets of the Association. The purpose of such payment requirement is to reflect possible financial damages to the Association and to each of its remaining member institutions. This section shall in no way be construed as limiting the monetary damages or remedies to which the Association or its remaining members may be entitled at law or equity. [Adopted: May 19, 1994; Revised: Jan. 12, 1997; June 28, 2000]

D. A member institution that elects to withdraw its membership in the Association shall forfeit its share of revenue distributed by the Association effective upon its withdrawal announcement. The institution shall be subject to all applicable dues and fees paid by member institutions prior to the effective date of its membership withdrawal. [Adopted: June 28, 2000]

E. Upon notice of an institution’s intent to withdraw, the institution’s teams become ineligible on a date determined by the remaining members to compete for Association team championships. Individual student-athletes may compete for individual honors in Association individual championships but team points will not be calculated. [Adopted: June 28, 2000]

H. The penalties and conditions identified above may be waived by a three-fourths affirmative vote of the non-withdrawing members eligible to vote under Constitution 4.03. [Adopted: June 28, 2000]


It doesn't matter for Mason. They're basically done with their "excellence pool" paychecks (See below). They're just getting their even CAA share now.

For VCU, it's basically "after we get the the last check that comes before June 30th" ?


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The conference’s collective members shall “own” six NCAA men’s basketball pool units equating to the conference’s automatic qualifier unit in the six-year NCAA basketball pool. Incremental basketball units beyond the conference’s six units shall be distributed as follows: [Note: All distributions refer to earned units in that year’s basketball pool, i.e. one year after performance.]
1. 40% of the total value of that year’s basketball units (beyond the six AQ units) shall be allocated to create an “excellence pool” in which institutions earn annual shares. [See below]
2. From the remaining 60%, each institution should, at the minimum, receive a distribution equal to their payment of annual dues to be a member of the conference. These incremental new funds are to be dedicated to budget relief, budget enhancement or new initiatives within the institution’s basketball programs.
3. Any remaining funds shall be available for allocation in the regular conference budget, including an additional distribution.
B. The “Excellence Pool” [40% of incremental new monies]
Institutions will earn shares in the Excellence Pool in the following manner on an annual basis:
1. Two shares for each NCAA tournament game played in the first year (up to six). In subsequent years, two shares for each NCAA tournament game won (up to five) for each year that those specific NCAA unit(s) remain in the basketball pool distribution.
2. One share for having a RPI of 100 or better or a non-conference record better than .500% achieved against teams that are Division I or are RPI “counters”. [Note: All references to the RPI are the NCAA RPI on Selection Sunday.]
3. One share for the regular season champion(s). [In the event of a tie(s), the unit will be split amongst the tied teams.]
C. The “General Distribution Pool” [60% of incremental new monies].
Monies in the General Distribution Pool will be distributed equally amongst the member institutions.

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 Post subject: Re: A10 Realignment
PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:07 pm 
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Seems that GMU would also benefit from this arrangement: GMU and VCU can announce this year that they are leaving the CAA at the end of the 2012-2013 season, get their payouts THIS July 1st, maybe even time it so they can get the next payments a year from them on July 1, and then leave for the A10 the next day.


I think you forfeit payouts and rights to the league tournaments as soon as you set an official withdrawl date, but I am not sure. Irregardless, if VCU and GMU want to leave after next season, the 2012-2013 season, there is no way they are getting their July 1st, 2012 payout. It just doesn't work like that.


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 Post subject: Re: A10 Realignment
PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:51 pm 
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So add Mason for 14 teams. Add Butler and VCU for 2013-14, and pay them the shares they earned out of Temple's shares.

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 Post subject: Re: A10 Realignment
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So add Mason for 14 teams. Add Butler and VCU for 2013-14, and pay them the shares they earned out of Temple's shares.

Temple is still A10 2012-13. They can just add all 3 in 2013-14.

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 Post subject: Re: A10 Realignment
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Err, I mean 14-15. Let them take another year of their Final Four payments, and then the A-10 would have enough of Temple's shares to make up the difference.

Ballparking it:

NCAA shares earned:

Butler
18x 2012
18x 2013
15x 2014
13x 2015
12x 2016
6x 2017

The Horizon divides it evenly. That means Butler essentially has the value of 9.107 total shares coming their way.

VCU
9x 2012
10x 2013
8x 2014
8x 2015
7x 2016
7x 2017
1x 2018

GMU
9x 2012
3x 2013
3x 2014
2x 2015
2x 2016
2x 2017
0x 2018

CAA divides all their money into two pools 60/40, 60% equally and 40% award for earning it.

That would leave VCU at roughly 22.5 total shares from 2012-18 (from THEIR achievements, plus the rest of CAA's accomplishments)
And George Mason expecting 9.45 total shares from 2012-18 (from THEIR achievements, plus the rest of CAA's accomplishments)

Those three combined are due 41.057 shares.

The Atlantic 10's policy is "Make it, Take it"
So Temple's 31 shares they're due are essentially the A-10's to divide.


Obviously, they'd still be walking away from whatever they earn this season. But the A-10 could compensate them a bit, and what's left, they simply say "Look, you get at-large access now. We can be a five or six bid league now"

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 Post subject: Re: A10 Realignment
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Err, I mean 14-15. Let them take another year of their Final Four payments, and then the A-10 would have enough of Temple's shares to make up the difference.

Ballparking it:

NCAA shares earned:

Butler
18x 2012
18x 2013
15x 2014
13x 2015
12x 2016
6x 2017

The Horizon divides it evenly. That means Butler essentially has the value of 9.107 total shares coming their way.

VCU
9x 2012
10x 2013
8x 2014
8x 2015
7x 2016
7x 2017
1x 2018

GMU
9x 2012
3x 2013
3x 2014
2x 2015
2x 2016
2x 2017
0x 2018

CAA divides all their money into two pools 60/40, 60% equally and 40% award for earning it.

That would leave VCU at roughly 22.5 total shares from 2012-18 (from THEIR achievements, plus the rest of CAA's accomplishments)
And George Mason expecting 9.45 total shares from 2012-18 (from THEIR achievements, plus the rest of CAA's accomplishments)

Those three combined are due 41.057 shares.

The Atlantic 10's policy is "Make it, Take it"
So Temple's 31 shares they're due are essentially the A-10's to divide.


Obviously, they'd still be walking away from whatever they earn this season. But the A-10 could compensate them a bit, and what's left, they simply say "Look, you get at-large access now. We can be a five or six bid league now"



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 Post subject: Re: A10 Realignment
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Thanks, you get my PM about Seattle/Denver and the WAC/WCC?

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Thanks, you get my PM about Seattle/Denver and the WAC/WCC?

I want in on this

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