Metro- I said this win could be a big thing for NDSU, I never said once that it automatically made NDSU a name brand mid-major power program instantly.
You are not the only one talking here. My statement is directed to all the Bison fans that come here.
This is a win that will give NDSU a lot of conifedance, they are the youngest team in all of DI hoops and winning in Madison is no small task. Bo Ryan had a record of 68-3(at home) and Wisconsin hadn't lost a home non-conference game in 27 tries. Beating a team of Wisconsin's caliber at their court is really what makes this upset special.
All those things are something remarkable. But it doesn't necessarily mean that Wisconsin didn't have a great game. On any given day, anyone can beat anyone, given the right circumstances. As I stated before, and as the announcer made the point during the Nebraska vs. Kansas Game, 5 games of the season you play above your potential, 5 games you play below, and the other 20 games tell the story of who you are. This is likely a case of Wisconsin shooting badly and having a poor day, aka brought their "D-game" and NDSU playing great and bringing their "A-game". Their have been 19 other games NDSU played. To describe the season, all the other 19 along with this one tell the story of who NDSU is.
Also this is a win that will get presidents from both the Mid-Con and Big Sky and perhaps even the MVC talking because this will probably be the biggest win a mid-major has over a major team all year.
I wouldn't count on it. Depending on how you categorize Gonzaga or Southern Illinois or Northern Iowa, those teams could have a win that is more grand. As far as the MVC. Don't count on it either. They don't have an interest in expanding and if they did their eyes would be on Saint Louis University. The Mid Con is already talking about NDSU. We also include them in the discussion here. The BSC as well. The travel distance of the BSC will always be a strong weakness. The only way it changes for NDSU in the BSC is if Portland State and Sac State change their minds. That is possible, but it always is an issue money, and those two schools have a problem with it. Location is a hard one to overcome.
As for down the road NDSU has a solid foundation of talent to build their program around they should be a deaper and more talented team next year, NDSU could easily have a stronger RPI next year.
They could also go down in RPI. The shifts from year to year in teams and talent is more changeable in college basketball than football.
Also you are making WAY to big a deal out the Wisconsin paper mistaking NDSU for UND, most of national press I saw from yesterday made it pretty clear that NDSU beat Wisconsin not UND.
No I am not. It was from the website from the very school that lost to them.
Also, I only saw two national press printed stories. ESPN had their story, and commentary article from Andy Katz. But Sports Illustrated, CBS Sportsline, and Fox Sports website all ran the very same AP article. National press are more likely to get it right. A local outfit in Madison can easily get it wrong, especially when "North Dakota State University" is 4 words and a lot of sylables, and North Dakota has the more noteriety.
Also Ann Arbor is home to one of DI's best hockey programs so of course the people will know about UND(a fellow DI power) but you go to most other areas of the country and people will know just as much of UND's dominant hockey program as they know of Montana's or Georgia Southern's dominant IAA football programs.
Most people on the street in any area of the nation don't follow I-AA football. No schools on the I-AA level are not "household names", only BCS level or near BCS level schools are. The other day, after Nebraska beat Michigan in the Alamo Bowl, me in a very awkward situation being a Cornhusker in Wolverineland, I was discussing the reffing of the Alamo Bowl with some Michigan fans. If you watched that game, there were a number of bad calls during the game, including the lack of a call on the very last play of the game. The ESPN announcers mentioned that they were Sun Belt Conference refs. Well, when we discussed the reffing, the University of Michigan fans never heard of the Sun Belt Conference. I mentioned Arkansas State, and they said, "who?" The I mentioned Troy, then they slightly recalled them, but really barely. Then North Texas, and Louisiana Lafayette and Middle Tennessee State, and they go, "I never heard of them, don't they play Division II or III or something?" Most people on the street in never heard of I-AA football including Georgia Southern, or Montana, unless they are in their region.
Whereas in the northeast, Upper Midwest region, Hockey is big, and so is College Hockey. College Hockey are one of the biggest attended sports in this region. If you mentioned UND on the streets around here, most people would think, that College Hockey program from a nearly forgotten state that beat Michigan at Yost Arena in a NCAA Hockey Regional. If you went to any Northeastern college town, especially Ivy League areas and Hockey East college towns, or CCHA and WCHA hockey college towns, which is a large percentage of population in the US, they would have heard of the multiple national champion UND. North Dakota State University wouldn't even register on their minds. So neither is completely a household name, but in the Northeast-Upper Midwest UND household name in college hockey exceeds any I-AA knowledge. The only places where you would hear about I-AA fball on the street would be where there is a I-AA school, and even then most wouldn't know the national scene completely. Statesboro, GA, Chattanooga, TN, Missoula, MT, Bozeman, MT, New Ark, DE would be the exception. If you talked about I-AA ball in Northhampton, MA or Amherst, MA, people would call you a jock and wouldn't know what you are talking about (I knew someone who lived in the UMass area of Mass and basically stated this). I-AA football is not a household name, but in a very small amount of pockets of the US, and College Hockey which is big in the NE/Midwest (remember, the largest crowd ever for a Hockey game was U of Michigan vs. Michigan State in Spartan Stadium in 2000 in front of 72,000 fans) it is a household name and in some very populated a bigger pockets of the NE and Upper Midwest.
I willl also say this about NDSU's win over Wisconisin and that is that not one of UND's hockey titles ever got so much regional or national press and exposure for the school.
I've been watching sports most of the day today and last night and only saw a couple of mentions of it. There is only a link on ESPN and a commentary by Andy Katz plus thingy Vitales comments at Louisville/UConn game. Today I didn't even hear anymore of it. Last year, UND's hockey title was discussed more. Unless NDSU keeps up the work, this win will likely be forgotten.
The NDSU basketball arena is due to undergo a 8-16 million dollar renovation and it is also on-campus(IPFW's is not) combine the BSA with the FargoDome which is also on campus and the Bison have better basketball facilities then IPFW. SDSU has the best of all the DI Indy's though, Frost is really a great basketball arena. In my opinion IPFW's is way to big and really I bet most of their games lack the great college atmosphere that you will find in either the BSA or Frost.
Looks pretty darn good to me, and if they have similar attendance, that the main thing. They also have luxury suites:
As for academics it is all debatable who is the best, but I would like to say that NDSU is taking a big jump at investing in academics. Ever since President Chapman has came here NDSU has been building up graduate programs and academic facilities. The school is in the middle of a 75 million dollar capital project that will build a new College of Business, renovate the Student Union, and continue the build up of the tech park and endowment. During Chapman's tenure NDSU's enrollment has increased 25% and research expeditures have gone over 100 million dollars. NDSU is really a school on the move in academics as well as athletics. I think NDSU's academic repuation is underated and hopefully people will take notice of the improvements the school has been making.
I know both NDSU and NJIT have architecture schools, and NJIT has a way better reputation in architecture.
NDSU is increasing their academic profile, however, the likeliehood of a small state land grant exceeding a high tech-Georgia Tech like school like NJIT is not likely. Certainly NDSU can be ahead of UVSC, which is still quite a bit like a Junior College. And UTPA and IPFW is possible. However, NJIT is not likely to be exceeded by NDSU and SDSU as well. The regional and urban/metro schools of NIU, SIU, UMKC, UIC, WMU, Illinois State, Ball State, BGSU, Miami U of Ohio, ECU, USM, Wayne State (MI), UAB, all non-flagship/land grants will be hard to exceed as well. UAF, well, that's a different story.
IPFW sure does have competition, do you honestly think that people in Fort Wayne Indiana don't follow the Hoosiers, Irish, or the Boilmakers.
These are major instate schools and when you factor in the Pacers and Colts going against the U of MN and UND pales in comparsion. I am almost 100% postive that IPFW gets lost in the big wake that those teams make.
I believe they do, but in every mid major metro area in the Midwest there is a midmajor college team that also gets strong support as the homebased team. Only Grand Rapids, MI is the only metro area of these size that doesn't have a school. Youngstown State, Kent State, Akron, Cleveland State, Toledo, BGSU, Wright State, Dayton, Cincy, Xavier, Miami U of OH, Detroit-Mercy, Oakland U, Western Michigan, UIC, DePaul, Northwestern, Chicago State, Valpo, IUPUI, Butler, Evansville, Loyola, UW-Milw, Marquette, Drake, Saint Louis U, UMKC, Missouri State, Wichita State, and Creighton are all examples of this. All Midwestern midmajor and major metro areas are represented here, and IPFW, as the lone team located in Ft. Wayne which doesn't have big Minor League sports is a prime sports team for such a market and has a strong local identity with the city.
For the last time Merto all of those schools are in big metros(I will admit it) but they all have almost no market penatration. NDSU's support runs deep in their market and being really the only DI team around that gets the bulk of the coverage is a huge deal. I'm sure all of the other UBC schools could only pray to get the amount of coverage that NDSU recieves from the region(even SDSU), they all pale in comaprasion. Being the only DI team in the Fargo market is really big because people tend to chear for the state's team whenever they are competiting at the highest level. NDSU fills that need and even some Sioux fans are coming around and starting to chear for and watch whatever Bison games are on. My cousin the biggest die hard UND fan I know is even planning to go to the Twin Cities and watch NDSU take on the Gophers in 2007. I have really never agreed that you can just spilt up a market because fans jump bandwagons and even the biggest supporters of a rival school will chear for their state or regional team when they go up against the highest level of competition, especially when their school is playing at a lower level. I am not saying that NDSU has total domination of their market because UND is big but I am saying that just because they are UND fans doesn't mean the won't watch, go to, or chear on NDSU at the highest level of competition in the state.
"Market" means more than following and penetration. It also relates to potential for corporate sponsorship, advertizing dollars and recruiting base. NE Indiana is a better market for all of those compared to NDSU. The only apsect that NDSU may exceed IPFW in is the following.
And yes, there is the nearly equal split. You may have a few fans that cross, but you don't have people giving up blood to root for the in state rival.
ND by itself is small. Without NDSU dominating the sports market, it is a really small market in every aspect of what is meant by "market". UND and U Minnesota get in the way for NDSU to have a bigger market from a market that is already too small the wat it is. This coupled with the fact that other markets are growing faster and NDSU market is likely to get smaller in comparison to these other conference candidates, including IPFW's.